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Bullshit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Original Post) SamKnause Apr 25 OP
No kidding! I'm still pissed off about it. Emile Apr 25 #1
So am I. SamKnause Apr 25 #3
Indeed. benfranklin1776 Apr 25 #25
Republicans core belief is a misunderstanding of political power. It skews all their thinking. jaxexpat Apr 25 #33
Well put and the analogy is apt! benfranklin1776 Apr 25 #40
The last honest Republican President was Eisenhower. bullimiami Apr 26 #51
I never got over it PatSeg Apr 25 #12
Then the knife in the back when Emile Apr 25 #28
The only people Farmer-Rick Apr 25 #31
And so many of them came back PatSeg Apr 25 #37
LIke the wife-beater PatSeg Apr 25 #35
Unfortunately, our whole nation has not been able to get over it. calimary Apr 26 #48
Yes PatSeg Apr 26 #52
With You! Mr.Bee Apr 25 #43
Regardless of good/bad sarisataka Apr 25 #2
They will just say they are correcting a mistake and Nixon did have immunity. SamKnause Apr 25 #4
Possibly, but it really says something sarisataka Apr 25 #5
The trump cultist have evil intentions. SamKnause Apr 25 #6
The Trumpanistas.... SergeStorms Apr 25 #7
He sort of did during the Frost interviews. Aristus Apr 25 #9
Great memory and observation! liberalla Apr 25 #14
But Nixon did claim HoosierDebbie Apr 25 #36
Well, there was that interview Nixon had with David Frost wnylib Apr 25 #47
Post removed Post removed Apr 25 #8
Not true. Caliman73 Apr 25 #10
Roger Stone Old Okie Apr 25 #23
The Supreme Court, including judge beer-in-ass, are a joke!!! They deserve all of the derision that is coming their way Comfortably_Numb Apr 25 #11
Time to pack the court Mysterian Apr 25 #13
time for court reforms . no more lifetime nonsense . AllaN01Bear Apr 25 #17
agree that these mfs are 5150. AllaN01Bear Apr 25 #15
Kavanaugh and United States v. Nixon sop Apr 25 #16
Really good point here - just shows what a hack Kavanaugh is ... nt TBF Apr 25 #18
He's not a hack. Do some reading about how johnnyfins Apr 25 #41
Well Jeff Tiedrich and I disagree with you, dude TBF Apr 26 #53
It was the deal... PCIntern Apr 25 #19
Pardoning Nixon is why Ford lost in 1976 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 25 #20
It is not uncommon for drunkards to think other drunkards should not suffer consequences for drunk behavior Attilatheblond Apr 25 #21
Pardoning Nixon just guaranteed that Republicans would continue to lie and cheat. Martin68 Apr 25 #22
Nixon was never charged with any crimes. Mblaze Apr 25 #24
Wake Up HandmaidsTaleUntold Apr 25 #26
Pardoning Nixon got us to this point. Irish_Dem Apr 25 #27
Repubes always excuse themselves, then persecute others BoRaGard Apr 25 #29
this is why barbtries Apr 25 #30
Worst decision of my lifetime RANDYWILDMAN Apr 25 #32
My words EXACTLY when Kavenaugh said that! Nt Trueblue Texan Apr 25 #34
Pardoning Nixon gave us Trump. nt doc03 Apr 25 #38
Right wing Republicans thought pardoning Nixon was a good thing. hadEnuf Apr 25 #39
It's partisan as fuck AdamGG Apr 25 #42
... Catherine Vincent Apr 25 #44
Republicans are masters of self-delusion. Baitball Blogger Apr 25 #45
Banana Republic Goldenlight Apr 25 #46
Gerald Ford was a half decent football player. usonian Apr 26 #49
Tricky-Dick thought it was a good thing. czarjak Apr 26 #50

benfranklin1776

(6,449 posts)
25. Indeed.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 02:27 PM
Apr 25

And it was the failure to have Nixon prosecuted and then Raygun, thanks to Billy “low” Barr’s pardon recommendations cutting off the investigation, that allowed their henchmen like Cheney Sr. and Rumsfeld to continue to commit crimes in Dumbya’s maladministration and inculcated the belief in Rethuglicans they were above the law. We’re at this wretched point in our democracy from that failure to apply the law as it should have been to those low life criminals 😡🤬

jaxexpat

(6,851 posts)
33. Republicans core belief is a misunderstanding of political power. It skews all their thinking.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 03:19 PM
Apr 25

They place faith in the anti-justice tenet that the more powerful should never have to fear anything from the less powerful. Because power is more than the ability to wield force. Indeed, the nature of power is to insulate the wielder from negative feedback and consequences. Applied without restraint, it is tyranny, because their essential belief system is the antipathy of democracy. In carpentry its known as a dovetail joint.*

You can hear this irrationality echoed in the voices of Alito and his fellow "arrived" and in-place judicial conspirators. Anything, no matter how irrational, is possible and permissible to these characters so long as it propels their agenda.

* usually, politics has less to do with carpentry but guess who builds gallows and guillotines. Hint: It ain't lawyers.

benfranklin1776

(6,449 posts)
40. Well put and the analogy is apt!
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:16 PM
Apr 25

Such “disjointed” thinking by those who presume themselves “our betters,” like Scalito and Thomas and their fascist fraternity in the modern Rethuglican Party, destabilizes the whole architecture of our democracy, which rests on the bedrock premise of government by the just consent of ALL the people who receive the same protections by that government for their basic human rights, irrespective of class or wealth. Their preferred form of dictatorial government is one that exists solely for the purpose of the empowerment and enrichment of the select few, which of course means they and they alone.
Theirs is a loathsome attitude which hearkens back to that of the feudal lords and the monarchy which we fought that whole Revolutionary War to repudiate, and which rancid philosophy we’ve had to fight a number of wars against since, (see e.g. Civil War, WW2 et al) to defeat the evils unleashed by their preferred type of tyrannical government which inevitably brutally trampled the rights of all the people under their rule in order to further the limitless, exploitative pillaging of human beings by the select few of the self-appointed, privileged ruling class.

bullimiami

(13,104 posts)
51. The last honest Republican President was Eisenhower.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:37 AM
Apr 26

Since then they have all been criminals and the lack of prosecution has brought us to trump.

I guess Ford was not really a crook like the rest.
Just a placeholder.

PatSeg

(47,603 posts)
12. I never got over it
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 01:03 PM
Apr 25

Such a huge disappointment. Nixon never really showed remorse opening the door to more politicians like him.

Emile

(22,937 posts)
28. Then the knife in the back when
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 02:32 PM
Apr 25

Ford had the nerve to say the pardon was for the country to heal. OMG

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
31. The only people
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 02:58 PM
Apr 25

Who needed to heal were Nixon and the GOP.

Nixon and his criminal buddies needed serious punishment for their numerous crimes.

PatSeg

(47,603 posts)
37. And so many of them came back
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 03:36 PM
Apr 25

unrepentant and often did the same sort of crap all over again. It was absolutely stunning. At least John Dean was remorseful and humbled by the experience. He changed for the better. I believe there are some people who cannot and will not change no matter the consequences, their only regrets being getting caught.

calimary

(81,500 posts)
48. Unfortunately, our whole nation has not been able to get over it.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:18 AM
Apr 26

Justice COMPLETELY and UNFAIRLY and WRONGLY denied.

PatSeg

(47,603 posts)
52. Yes
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:55 AM
Apr 26

It's not like he committed a crime that affected one person or even several. He committed a crime against the entire country and was not truly held accountable. We were all denied justice.

Even if Nixon never served any prison time, there should have been a trial where his crimes could be held under a microscope for the entire world to see in great detail. Let anyone else who thinks they can enter politics with corrupt intent know the consequences and the public humiliation if they are caught. Politicians like Nixon are why we have dirty tricksters like Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, not to mention candidates like Donald Trump.

sarisataka

(18,774 posts)
5. Possibly, but it really says something
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 12:27 PM
Apr 25

that even Nixon did not have the arrogance to claim immunity for everything he had done.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
6. The trump cultist have evil intentions.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 12:31 PM
Apr 25

They are not in the same league as Nixon.

The U.S. has never had a cult as a mainstream political party like we do now.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
7. The Trumpanistas....
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 12:41 PM
Apr 25

are a breed apart. They, and their delusional leader, make Nixon and Co. look like choir boys.

Aristus

(66,465 posts)
9. He sort of did during the Frost interviews.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 12:54 PM
Apr 25

Something to the effect of "If the President does it, then that means it's not illegal."

What a festering fuckweasel Nixon was...

liberalla

(9,262 posts)
14. Great memory and observation!
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 01:14 PM
Apr 25

I haven't thought of David Frost for eons, but you're right about that comment. When Nixon said it, he sounded so slimey and corrupt... which he was, of course!


wnylib

(21,611 posts)
47. Well, there was that interview Nixon had with David Frost
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:27 PM
Apr 25

when Nixon said that when the president does it, it's not a crime.

Response to SamKnause (Original post)

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
10. Not true.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 12:56 PM
Apr 25

The Conservative movement thinks pardoning Nixon was a good idea.

You need to remember that Nixon even being investigated and brought up for Impeachment, was the springboard to the Right Wing media ecosystem that we have today.

Roger Ailes and Pat Buchanan, who were aides to Nixon, while already wanting to have a "GOPTv" during the administration, decided after Nixon resigned, that NEVER AGAIN would a Conservative president face the idea of justice. They wanted to create a media that would push out the Conservative agenda without consideration of the truth and facts.

They thought it was good that Nixon didn't actually face the justice he should have and it directly benefited Conservative presidents from Reagan to Trump in following years.

Old Okie

(146 posts)
23. Roger Stone
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 02:15 PM
Apr 25

Let us not forget Roger Stone who has a Nixon tattoo and has been a far right operative forever.

Comfortably_Numb

(3,827 posts)
11. The Supreme Court, including judge beer-in-ass, are a joke!!! They deserve all of the derision that is coming their way
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 01:01 PM
Apr 25

**#% this court of tyrants.

sop

(10,261 posts)
16. Kavanaugh and United States v. Nixon
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 01:30 PM
Apr 25

United States v. Nixon was a Supreme Court decision in which the Court unanimously ordered Nixon to deliver tape recordings and other subpoenaed materials related to the Watergate scandal to a federal district court. Kavanaugh has called United States v. Nixon one of the “greatest moments in American judicial history."

In the '90s Kavanaugh was a prosecutor investigating Clinton as part of Ken Starr's investigation. As a prosecutor "Kavanaugh cited Nixon in successfully arguing that President Clinton could not invoke privilege to withhold documents in a criminal investigation...Kavanaugh advocated for enacting a law to ensure the executive’s compliance with criminal subpoenas."

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/judge-kavanaugh-and-united-states-v-nixon

Kavanaugh didn't believe President Clinton had immunity then, does he feel the same way now that Trump is claiming immunity for attempting to overturn an election?

johnnyfins

(830 posts)
41. He's not a hack. Do some reading about how
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:46 PM
Apr 25

He got his seat on SCOTUS. Why and how were all of his debts repaid? Why did Justice Kennedy decide to retire at that moment. Kavanaugh is BOUGH AND PAID FOR.

TBF

(32,099 posts)
53. Well Jeff Tiedrich and I disagree with you, dude
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 10:44 AM
Apr 26

from this morning's righteous rant -

"any sane Supreme Court would have quickly slapped Trump with a writ of go fuck yourself, and we’d be having a DC trial right now. but we don’t have a sane Court. we have four bought-and-paid for Federalist Society hacks who sit snugly in the pocket of the plutocrats who tell them how to vote — and we have Neil Gorsuch, who just fucking hates government and is deliberately out to create as much chaos as possible."

The blog is Jeff's, the emphasis is mine.


eta - link to blog if anyone wants to read - https://www.jefftiedrich.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=substack_profile

PCIntern

(25,585 posts)
19. It was the deal...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 02:07 PM
Apr 25

Nixon knew and documented shit that would have rocked this country utterly. They let him go because he was blackmailing them. He was incredibly smart and crafty.

Attilatheblond

(2,212 posts)
21. It is not uncommon for drunkards to think other drunkards should not suffer consequences for drunk behavior
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 02:11 PM
Apr 25

Sadly, our society mostly goes along with that mindset. Either our society is majority drunkards, or the bulk of our population needs to attend Co-Dependents Anonymous treatment. It has long been my belief the latter is desperately needed.

Mblaze

(261 posts)
24. Nixon was never charged with any crimes.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 02:16 PM
Apr 25

Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:36 PM - Edit history (1)

His pardon simply proved that Gerald Ford knew he was as guilty as sin.

26. Wake Up
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 02:28 PM
Apr 25

Alito is delaying. Tradition is to wait for dissenting opinion being written before issuing ruling. He’s stonewalling and stalling. He’s a criminal. After Trump loses he should be arrested. At the very least.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
30. this is why
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 02:41 PM
Apr 25

I didn't listen to it. i had a nice session with my counselor.

the only thing that matters is the decision.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,676 posts)
32. Worst decision of my lifetime
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 03:01 PM
Apr 25

And beer boy knows it. What a toolbox, sorry he is way more useless then a tool box is

AdamGG

(1,295 posts)
42. It's partisan as fuck
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:06 PM
Apr 25

If President Clinton was facing charges and was claiming presidential immunity, I'm pretty certain that these same "conservative" justices would have an entirely different opinion of the scope of immunity.

Pretty sure that the founding fathers would be spinning in their graves over this one. They did not mean to create a king. Aren't these the assholes that are supposed to believe in the founders' original intent?

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
45. Republicans are masters of self-delusion.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:56 PM
Apr 25

...and arrogance. They don't want to give an inch on anything, but when one of them gets in legal trouble, suddenly our side has to give in and pass on demanding justice in order to heal the country. Major WTF.

How can they say our country is healed, when their shenanigans are continually creating wedges between us?

Goldenlight

(9 posts)
46. Banana Republic
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:22 PM
Apr 25

The only remedy to this travesty of justice we heard at the Supreme Court today is to immediately have President Biden appoint 3 nominees to the Supreme Court and the US Senate to confirm them. The United States that we have known is no longer a Democracy.

usonian

(9,887 posts)
49. Gerald Ford was a half decent football player.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 01:58 AM
Apr 26

But he played without a helmet, and the result was not too good.

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