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1/2 the protestors arrested in austin were not students (Original Post) moonshinegnomie Apr 25 OP
Outside protesters are allowed at UT. It's a state law. LeftInTX Apr 25 #1
Abbott signed the law in 2019 - A law to be repealed Traurigkeit Apr 25 #12
LOL...Now that professors are protesting, he's gonna crackdown on them. He's a lunatic. LeftInTX Apr 25 #15
Kick out the 29 who were students. Perhaps charge with hate crime. jimfields33 Apr 26 #26
Kick them out for protesting? Eko Apr 26 #39
This is what I think is happening. Irish_Dem Apr 25 #2
+1 dalton99a Apr 25 #13
Post removed Post removed Apr 26 #31
The Daily Mail is a vile RW shitrag with an extremely poor fact check record, it is not useful here as a source Celerity Apr 26 #35
Maybe the pictures of dead & injured kids on their phones everyday womanofthehills Apr 27 #47
Yes but there are brutal pictures from both sides. Irish_Dem Apr 27 #50
The "legitmate non-antisemetic student protesters" need to do a better Coventina Apr 25 #3
As soon as anit-semitism rears its head at one of these protests they should be shut down ripcord Apr 25 #5
I agree completely. Coventina Apr 25 #7
Same with when the far right rears its heads at protests Eko Apr 26 #41
No argument there ripcord Apr 26 #42
It goes both ways - video on Twitter today womanofthehills Apr 27 #49
I agree Eko Apr 26 #40
I didn't think they were all students. LiberalFighter Apr 25 #4
The pro-palestinian groups were up and running on campuses prior to the massacre - TBF Apr 25 #6
Yes. The anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian groups have been organizing for over a decade. LeftInTX Apr 25 #16
Yup orangecrush Apr 26 #36
Some schools are checking student IDs. moondust Apr 25 #8
I know Columbia has gates and is a private university. LeftInTX Apr 25 #9
Columbia ID checks OrangeJoe Apr 25 #17
He may have been escorted by a GOP congress member. Jill Stein was there today. LeftInTX Apr 25 #23
All the charges were dismissed MichMan Apr 25 #10
Can we charge any of those cops with assault? LeftInTX Apr 25 #11
Dang. Are they doing hate crimes against Jewish students? jimfields33 Apr 26 #28
At UT??? Not that I know of. LeftInTX Apr 26 #29
Ok. Thanks! jimfields33 Apr 26 #38
So ... who were they? CloudWatcher Apr 25 #14
Please. They're probably local activists. JVP are not paid by Putin. maxsolomon Apr 25 #19
Austin is a liberal oasis in Texas - TBF Apr 27 #53
I used to attend protests on campuses I didn't attend. In Too Deep Apr 25 #18
I saw some of the same BS claims moniss Apr 25 #20
During Vietnam and Civil Rights protests moniss Apr 25 #21
Army basic training included being exposed to tear gas... surfered Apr 25 #22
Me too. Marine boot camp prepared me for the demos. Ping Tung Apr 26 #44
No surprise there. republianmushroom Apr 25 #24
I'm seeing posts about the proud boys being involved ecstatic Apr 26 #25
This is in NY LeftInTX Apr 26 #30
Not surprising. drray23 Apr 26 #27
Oh yeah... Think. Again. Apr 26 #34
There wasn't vandalism at UT Austin. Just pro-Palestinian protesters who came from off campus LeftInTX Apr 26 #37
I read somewhere... Think. Again. Apr 26 #32
the gop is cracking down on these protests under false pretenses. they are doing on purpose Takket Apr 26 #33
So what? What were the cops doing on campus? They aren't students. Ping Tung Apr 26 #43
Thank goodness people can have solidarity on campus in the workplace and everywhere. David__77 Apr 26 #45
Then I don't blame them for being arrested. rockfordfile Apr 26 #46
So more than half were students or otherwise affiliated? Prairie Gates Apr 27 #48
Ah it's those outside agitators. Voltaire2 Apr 27 #51
SO WHAT? It's a taxpayer supported system. marble falls Apr 27 #52
I agree with this - TBF Apr 27 #54

LeftInTX

(25,556 posts)
1. Outside protesters are allowed at UT. It's a state law.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:29 PM
Apr 25

Abbott signed the law in 2019 to pander to all the RW groups that wanted to descend on universities.

What goes around comes around!

Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #2)

Celerity

(43,533 posts)
35. The Daily Mail is a vile RW shitrag with an extremely poor fact check record, it is not useful here as a source
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 07:46 PM
Apr 26

Irish_Dem

(47,428 posts)
50. Yes but there are brutal pictures from both sides.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:37 AM
Apr 27

And brutal pictures of Ukraine, where Putin kills, rapes and tortures women and babies.

The point is they choose one side of brutality to protest.

Why?

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
3. The "legitmate non-antisemetic student protesters" need to do a better
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:36 PM
Apr 25

job of kicking out troublemakers and disavowing their statements.

There hasn't been any difference between them, so far.

ripcord

(5,537 posts)
5. As soon as anit-semitism rears its head at one of these protests they should be shut down
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:44 PM
Apr 25

The universities first responsibility is that every student should feel safe on campus, the correct amount of anti-semitism allowed on campus should be zero.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
7. I agree completely.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:46 PM
Apr 25

It sure is strange that so far none of the "legitimate non-antisemitic student protesters" haven't bothered to address this at all.

Eko

(7,360 posts)
41. Same with when the far right rears its heads at protests
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:17 PM
Apr 26

at Pro-Israeli ones they should be shut down.

ripcord

(5,537 posts)
42. No argument there
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:19 PM
Apr 26

The school's first responsibility is to the students and making sure they feel safe.

womanofthehills

(8,771 posts)
49. It goes both ways - video on Twitter today
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:24 AM
Apr 27

Of adult huge Jewish man attacking black woman protester holding a sign and shoving her to ground. There will be individual jerks.

Eko

(7,360 posts)
40. I agree
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:15 PM
Apr 26

The protestors on both sides need to better job policing their protests and disavowing the statements of the troublemakers.

TBF

(32,098 posts)
6. The pro-palestinian groups were up and running on campuses prior to the massacre -
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:45 PM
Apr 25

and they were prepared. Ten to one the funds are coming from Russia and Iran amongst others. I've never felt these were spontaneous efforts by students. There is a lot of history & back story to this particular conflict and even those watching it for a long time probably don't know the half of it.

LeftInTX

(25,556 posts)
16. Yes. The anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian groups have been organizing for over a decade.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:16 PM
Apr 25

Much of it began after our response to 9/11

moondust

(20,006 posts)
8. Some schools are checking student IDs.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:48 PM
Apr 25
~
On Monday, long lines formed outside the gates of Columbia as students had to wait to have their IDs scanned at security checkpoints. Some faculty members were at the gates advocating for reporters who had been denied entry.
~
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/22/columbia-university-protests-shutdown


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In Massachusetts, a sign said Harvard Yard was closed to the public Monday. It said structures, including tents and tables, were only allowed into the yard with prior permission. “Students violating these policies are subject to disciplinary action,” the sign said. Security guards were checking people for school IDs.
~
https://apnews.com/article/columbia-yale-israel-palestinians-protests-56c3d9d0a278c15ed8e4132a75ea9599

LeftInTX

(25,556 posts)
9. I know Columbia has gates and is a private university.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:53 PM
Apr 25

The gates have been locked to outsiders.

I don't know if Harvard has gates.

UT is wide open. It's next to impossible to control access. Additionally Texas state law requires that outside groups protest. (This is because Abbott encouraged RW outside groups to disrupt "liberal" campuses)

OrangeJoe

(346 posts)
17. Columbia ID checks
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:17 PM
Apr 25

My niece is at Columbia. She said that the other day Proud Boy founder Gavin McInnes was on campus, allowed in by the administration. I've only seen one small article about this. I can't believe it's not a bigger story.

CloudWatcher

(1,851 posts)
14. So ... who were they?
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:09 PM
Apr 25

Not students implies ... not a lot. Could be local Austin folks, could be busloads of actors paid in Rubles.

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
19. Please. They're probably local activists. JVP are not paid by Putin.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:19 PM
Apr 25

JVP are not paid by Putin.

Personally, I don't know where they find the time. I've got to work to pay my bills.

TBF

(32,098 posts)
53. Austin is a liberal oasis in Texas -
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 10:26 AM
Apr 27

probably local activists. Maybe they attend other schools in area or work in area. They are showing up in solidarity. Of course Abbott, fool that he is, was only too eager to send in troops in a show of force. That's who he is - very autocratic.

In Too Deep

(49 posts)
18. I used to attend protests on campuses I didn't attend.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:18 PM
Apr 25

I went where the protests were. Especially during the Iraq War.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
20. I saw some of the same BS claims
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:23 PM
Apr 25

about "anti-Israeli groups" at Wisconsin universities in the late '70's. Are there some around? Sure and it would be surprising if there weren't. Are there and have there been anti-Palestinian groups around? Sure and it would be surprising if there weren't. It always does make me ponder though how the funding of one group by vested interests is akin to international crime while the funding sources for the others are not to even be asked or spoken.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
21. During Vietnam and Civil Rights protests
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:35 PM
Apr 25

people traveled all over from campus to campus and supported each other. J. (I've got a secret) Edgar Hoover, Nixon, Agnew, Kissinger, George Wallace etc. were the ones screaming about "outsiders" causing trouble. Many people want to bring that back. They used to use this with intimidating union activities by claiming the organizers were "outsiders" causing "trouble" and "getting people upset". Next thing you know the House will be holding hearings about "un-American" activities on campus.......... Oh, wait.

surfered

(536 posts)
22. Army basic training included being exposed to tear gas...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:42 PM
Apr 25

…which was easier for me as I had already been tear gassed at the University of Texas in 1969. In those days the protests were organized by the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society). Going down memory lane now.

Ping Tung

(687 posts)
44. Me too. Marine boot camp prepared me for the demos.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:28 PM
Apr 26

The gas the DI's put us through was a helluva lot worse than the gas we got from the cops chasing us around campus, But, I was still in shape and could outrun the bastards who wanted to beat patriotism into me.

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
25. I'm seeing posts about the proud boys being involved
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 07:22 PM
Apr 26
Gavin McInnes, a founder of the Proud Boys, on the campus of Columbia University ahead of a speech by House Speaker Mike Johnson






He was also spotted at a campus protest in Texas. He might very well be funding the efforts. Supposedly all the tents being used across multiple campuses are the same type / style.

drray23

(7,637 posts)
27. Not surprising.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 07:26 PM
Apr 26

You would think people would remember the ratfucking during the blm protests. They caught agitators vandalizing property who had nothing to do with blm.

Think. Again.

(8,422 posts)
34. Oh yeah...
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 07:43 PM
Apr 26

...remember the hooded guy with the umbrella calmly breaking out store windows that turned out to be a local policeman? Memories.

LeftInTX

(25,556 posts)
37. There wasn't vandalism at UT Austin. Just pro-Palestinian protesters who came from off campus
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 08:10 PM
Apr 26

They seemed pretty benign.
Cops jumped everyone before the protest could even get going, so who knows anything about them?
We have the similar groups in San Antonio. They're annoying and loud more than anything.
I recognize a few of their members from Indivisible.
UT is an open campus.

Takket

(21,629 posts)
33. the gop is cracking down on these protests under false pretenses. they are doing on purpose
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 07:42 PM
Apr 26

to turn public sentiment against academia. same bullshit stefanik was pulling with the congressional hearings earlier this year with fake concern about "antisemitism" when it is really about breaking the "woke monster" (gop term, not mine)

Ping Tung

(687 posts)
43. So what? What were the cops doing on campus? They aren't students.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:22 PM
Apr 26

The people there were going to a demonstration. Not a class or football game.

Prairie Gates

(1,057 posts)
48. So more than half were students or otherwise affiliated?
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:21 AM
Apr 27


What's this weird need to run an "outside agitator" line? Do you doubt that students are a driving force in these protests?

TBF

(32,098 posts)
54. I agree with this -
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 10:28 AM
Apr 27

UT is a public university, the gates are open. And they should be. Abbott just over-reacted, which is true to character.

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