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usonian

(10,049 posts)
Sun May 5, 2024, 01:34 PM May 5

Recruiters Are Going Analog to Fight the AI Application Overload

Paywalled, but archived at:
https://archive.is/I3WjA#selection-567.0-567.64

So far, over 3,000 people have applied to one open data science vacancy at a US health tech company this year. The top candidates are given a lengthy and difficult task assessment, which very few pass, says a recruiter at the company, who asked to remain anonymous because they are not authorized to speak publicly.

The recruiter says they believe some who did pass may have used artificial intelligence to solve the problem. There was odd wording in some, the recruiter explains, others disclosed using AI, and in one case when the person moved on to the next interview, they couldn’t answer questions about the task. “Not only have they wasted their time, but they wasted my time,” says the recruiter. “It’s really frustrating.”

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WIRED spoke with seven recruiters and hiring managers across tech and other industries, who expressed trepidation about the new tech—for now, much is still unknown about how and why AI makes the choices it does, and it has a history of making biased decisions. They want to understand why the AI is making the decisions it does, and to have more room for nuance before embracing it: Not all qualified applicants are going to fit into a role perfectly, one recruiter tells WIRED.

Recruiters say they are met with droves of résumés sent through tools like LinkedIn’s Easy Apply feature, which allows people to apply for jobs quickly within the site’s platform. Then there are third-party tools to write résumés or cover letters, and there’s generative AI built into tools on sites of major players like LinkedIn and Indeed—some for job seekers, some for recruiters. These come alongside a growing number of tools to automate the recruiting process, leaving some workers wondering if a person or bot is looking at their résumé.

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Analog?
One small company recruiter is looking at résumés and screening applicants over the phone, which takes about 10 hours a week

“To a job seeker and a recruiter, the AI is a little bit of a black box,” says Hilke Schellmann, whose book The Algorithm looks at software that automates résumé screening and human resources.
Translation: Everyone's using it and nobody understands what it does.

Here is a description of Schellmann's book.

Based on exclusive information from whistleblowers, internal documents, and real world test results, Emmy‑award winning Wall Street Journal contributor Hilke Schellmann delivers a shocking and illuminating expose on the next civil rights issue of our time: how AI has already taken over the workplace and shapes our future.

Hilke Schellmann, is an Emmy‑award winning investigative reporter, Wall Street Journal and Guardian contributor and Journalism Professor at NYU. In The Algorithm, she investigates the rise of artificial intelligence (AI) in the world of work. AI is now being used to decide who has access to an education, who gets hired, who gets fired, and who receives a promotion. Drawing on exclusive information from whistleblowers, internal documents and real‑world tests, Schellmann discovers that many of the algorithms making high‑stakes decisions are biased, racist, and do more harm...


A review, not a plug.

I think this comment mini-thread on Hacker News sums up the situation

Simulacra 1 hour ago
Serves them right. Employers have been using AI and algorithms to weed out resumes/applications for years. To the point that the only way to get seen by an actual human is the game the system.

bastawhiz 1 hour ago
Exactly, I came here looking for this comment. Many companies have been using AI tools for years to power recruiting. Now they're upset that candidates are using the same technology. The recruiters turned their profession into a tit for tat arms race.

ToucanLoucan 30 minutes ago
Hard agree. It’s infuriating that automation is continually added to human centric processes that it is ill-suited and anti-social to be used in, very much including most LLM applications, always in the name of more bloody cost-cutting that almost never leads to lower prices for consumers, just more yachts for the executive class.


Full discussion here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40265420

My opinion?
It's bots versus bots, and EVERYONE LOSES.
Clearly, the hiring process is broken, and has been broken for ages.
Proof? The people who hired me in the past.
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Silent3

(15,463 posts)
1. Even pre-AI, when the automated filtering was basically keyword searching...
Sun May 5, 2024, 02:01 PM
May 5

...I was disgusted by what that filtering did to resume writing, the obvious pandering that became necessary (or, at least, that people often rightly assumed was necessary) in order to hope your resume got looked at by a human being, with people trying to pack in as many annoying buzzwords and "action phrases" as they could.

Having retired about nine months ago, and working at my previous job for five years, I didn't have to deal with the new AI version of this, and I'm so glad I probably never will.

usonian

(10,049 posts)
2. Why I'm so old ... I remember when SEO meant Seeking Employment Opportunity.
Sun May 5, 2024, 02:10 PM
May 5

Deviating a little from tradition, I once put
Synopsis
at the top of my resume, meaning "This is a synopsis of my career to date"
(loaded with those keywords)
Recruiter asked me how long I worked at Synopsis.

I'm a cynic. I don't see a glass as half-empty or half-full.
Just half-broken.



Silent3

(15,463 posts)
3. "Recruiter asked me how long I worked at Synopsis."
Sun May 5, 2024, 02:28 PM
May 5


Just change the last "i" to "y", and there probably is a company out there called Synopsys...

Oh, and indeed, there is!

https://www.synopsys.com/

yonder

(9,687 posts)
4. Good post with hopeful remedies to avoid an unsettling direction:
Sun May 5, 2024, 02:39 PM
May 5
"AI is now being used to decide who has access to an education, who gets hired, who gets fired, and who receives a promotion."

usonian

(10,049 posts)
5. I worry about education.
Sun May 5, 2024, 03:01 PM
May 5

When even thinking is replaced by AI, as students are doing "to pass exams" then what does that mean?

AI is always backward looking, and since one definition of "meaning" conveyed by stories is:
“Stories create meaning as they touch our knowledge, experience, and as we process them with our minds and emotions.” then,

I see a loss of "meaning" in life, since the stories we read already have no basis in experience, minds and emotions.
We're relating to a big alphabet soup filtered to agree with our taste, or our "Prompts".

Joseph Conrad wrote:

To arrest, for the space of a breath, the hands busy about the work of the earth, and compel men entranced by the sight of distant goals to glance for a moment at the surrounding vision of form and colour, of sunshine and shadows; to make them pause for a look, for a sigh, for a smile — such is the aim, difficult and evanescent, and reserved only for a very few to achieve. But sometimes, by the deserving and the fortunate, even that task is accomplished. And when it is accomplished — behold! — all the truth of life is there: a moment of vision, a sigh, a smile — and the return to an eternal rest.


Now, I suppose that AI will imitate this, and no doubt already has, but it's an expression, and has meaning in a human context.

I'm retired, but just for fun, I might apply for a job with this quote on the resume.
Presuming that no human actually reads it.

BadgerKid

(4,566 posts)
6. Even preAI we had irresistible applications
Sun May 5, 2024, 05:19 PM
May 5

Only to find out the applicants were mostly incoherent about their projects. It was over video conferencing, and we wondered if they were being coached during the call.

Angleae

(4,509 posts)
7. Corporate AI handling resumes isn't exactly top notch.
Mon May 6, 2024, 12:27 AM
May 6

Last week (I think) I started getting e-mails from a major aerospace company due to a resume I have on indeed.com. They repeatedly ask me about accepting a structure mechanic job in the Carolinas. Problem is, actually two of them, first, I'm an avionics tech not a structure mechanic, second, I ALREADY WORK FOR THEIR COMPANY.

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