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riversedge

(70,306 posts)
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:30 PM Apr 25

Alito complains 'special' Trump shouldn't be 'subject to criminal laws like anybody else'

Source: raw story



David Edwards April 25, 2024 12:14PM ET



U.S. Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito complained Thursday about the concept that a "special" former officeholder like Donald Trump could be expected to be "subject to the criminal laws just like anybody else."

Alito made the remarks to special counsel attorney Michael Dreeben during oral arguments in Trump's presidential immunity appeal to the high court. Trump's attorneys had argued the former president could not be charged with election interference because the office gave him immunity.

Dreeben, however, asserted Trump could be charged for trying to subvert the election.

"Well, Mr. Dreeben, do you really, I mean, the presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions about enforcing the law, and they have to make decisions about questions that are unsettled, and they have to make decisions based on the information that's available," Alito said.

"Do you really, did I understand you to say, well, you know, if he makes a mistake, he makes a mistake. He's subject to the criminal laws just like anybody else?"

"You don't think he's in a special, a peculiarly precarious position?" the justice asked.

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Watch the video below from the U.S. Supreme Court.


Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/samual-alito-trump-special/



Well, Alito should just put a crown of Trump if he thinks he is so special.
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Alito complains 'special' Trump shouldn't be 'subject to criminal laws like anybody else' (Original Post) riversedge Apr 25 OP
I remember when Scalia said that Government is God's representative on earth. enough Apr 25 #1
Only when it is run by their fellow reactionaries. raging moderate Apr 25 #4
Alito's an ass Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 25 #2
Absolutely true! ShazzieB Apr 25 #14
Total and Complete... Alito's an ass. ...................The American Association of Wild Asses....................... Stuart G Apr 25 #42
thank you for the link- et tu Apr 25 #3
Yeah. Trump is special all right. speak easy Apr 25 #5
And a VERY special prison DENVERPOPS Apr 25 #18
👍 speak easy Apr 25 #21
If Gitmo would be nice too. Dave Bowman Apr 25 #26
Did a U.S. supreme court justice really just say... Think. Again. Apr 25 #6
Unfuckingbelievable! Brenda Apr 25 #24
no, that would not be wise IMHO. riversedge Apr 25 #35
I noticed that Marthe48 Apr 25 #25
Making crapola up as they go along. sprinkleeninow Apr 26 #47
Alito still thinks he BlueMTexpat Apr 26 #55
Supreme court I_UndergroundPanther Apr 26 #59
I didn't know this... Think. Again. Apr 26 #62
A president is special in the sense that crud Apr 25 #7
That parallels authorities that only a President can exercise. Some of today's oral argument addressed that only the 24601 Apr 25 #29
Who Said Dat? NowsTheTime Apr 26 #49
Yep, while the original quote is attributed to Nixon, my comment was about deriding his statement. Who specifically 24601 Apr 26 #58
I have some thoughts about Alito I would like implemented. LiberalFighter Apr 25 #8
Then Alito doesn't know the U.S. Constitution and founding documents, and should be impeached. ancianita Apr 25 #9
Nakedly partisan Picaro Apr 25 #10
Go ahead Scalito, give the president TOTAL IMMUNITY. AZ8theist Apr 25 #11
SCALITO ... aggiesal Apr 25 #20
They are interchangeable.... AZ8theist Apr 25 #27
Scalia was much more of an intellectual though Polybius Apr 26 #46
He's actually had that nickname before becoming a Justice Polybius Apr 26 #45
it's really chilling barbtries Apr 25 #12
No, not "pack the court." What needs to be done is to "unpack the court" by expanding it. PSPS Apr 26 #44
okay. barbtries Apr 26 #57
They keep saying Trump but the president is Biden and maybe going forward. Srkdqltr Apr 25 #13
Undoubtedly his opnion will cite some 12th century chuch figure Warpy Apr 25 #15
Hate To Say It OhioTim Apr 25 #16
If immunity is granted Attilatheblond Apr 25 #22
Of course our forefathers specifically defined "Special" in our Constitution. ... aggiesal Apr 25 #17
Do we have a president who's a chief executive or do we have a king? dlk Apr 25 #19
Mockalito provides even more proof that he is unfit for that seat. Hermit-The-Prog Apr 25 #23
Just with this ONE stupid comment, it proves this bastard should be bluestarone Apr 25 #28
Alito's nose is brown from being buried deep in TFGs diaper. coprolite Apr 25 #30
Equal protection under the law. Equal responsibility under the law. Equal justice under the law. Midnight Writer Apr 25 #31
You forgot the ending. "Except for Donald Trump" Kablooie Apr 25 #36
Four legs good, two legs better. intheflow Apr 26 #50
That's exactly it! Kablooie Apr 26 #56
Sounds like the legitimization of a ruling class. jalan48 Apr 25 #32
Alito and other fat cats are scared. Dave Bowman Apr 25 #33
Sounds like grounds for impeachment to me. soldierant Apr 25 #34
If Trump is installed as president again... Kablooie Apr 25 #37
Or he could decide to use SCOTUS Judge's as clay pigeons. cstanleytech Apr 25 #41
I don't see anything in the Constitution that gives the justices immunity. LiberalFighter Apr 25 #38
R E S I G N. Haggis 4 Breakfast Apr 25 #39
Mmmm I guess it's not occured to some of the SCOTUS Judge's that they could be signing their own death warrants. cstanleytech Apr 25 #40
So, there are now lawful classes of American citizens? Some are now 'special' and sinkingfeeling Apr 25 #43
Alito needs to explain why Trump is so 'special'. Aussie105 Apr 26 #48
Time for Biden to have Alito arrested and sent to Gitmo! Sancho Apr 26 #51
How reassuring, where did this idiot get his law degree?? Or his medical degree for that matter?? Rhiannon12866 Apr 26 #52
I can't believe the SCOTUS is seriously listening to Trump's lawyer saying doc03 Apr 26 #53
Originalist Shmoriginalist. C_U_L8R Apr 26 #54
And that myth, "No one is above the law", is just that a myth. republianmushroom Apr 26 #60
Well I Rebl2 Apr 26 #61

enough

(13,262 posts)
1. I remember when Scalia said that Government is God's representative on earth.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:39 PM
Apr 25

I suddenly realized that these people actually believe that.

Stuart G

(38,448 posts)
42. Total and Complete... Alito's an ass. ...................The American Association of Wild Asses.......................
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 11:20 PM
Apr 25
..... (that I subscribe to) and am a member of.....would beg to differ with you.........



Alito is not just an ass, he is an ass**le..

DENVERPOPS

(8,845 posts)
18. And a VERY special prison
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:02 PM
Apr 25

Colorado Supermax...............

And there is no internet or cell phones for prisoners.......

Think. Again.

(8,422 posts)
6. Did a U.S. supreme court justice really just say...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:00 PM
Apr 25

"...presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions about enforcing the law..."???

Does he really think law enforcement is part of a President's responsibilities?

Do we really have a supreme court justice that is THIS uninformed about the structure of the U.S. government???

Marthe48

(17,030 posts)
25. I noticed that
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:24 PM
Apr 25

was going to double check what I thought I knew from high school government glass. JC. The dark money donors and fascists trying to dismantle are government don't seem to care what kind of morons are representing their interests. Well, if the fascists win this, they will crush their henchmen under their boot heels and piss on their remains.

sprinkleeninow

(20,263 posts)
47. Making crapola up as they go along.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 02:42 AM
Apr 26
In O T. scripture it says (paraphrased):
"They frame iniquity and call it law."

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
59. Supreme court
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 04:32 PM
Apr 26

Appointees are not required to know the law. They aren’t required to prove worthiness or ethical competence or compassion. They get chosen voted in that’s it. They can be totally sociopathic and a fascists pig and still be acceptable on the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has no requirements of anyone who becomes a justice and the constitution has no requirement or guidelines regarding Supreme Court justices. Tragic but true.

Think. Again.

(8,422 posts)
62. I didn't know this...
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 05:55 PM
Apr 26

...I just assumed they would have to at least be attorneys if not judges already.

That is tragic.

crud

(624 posts)
7. A president is special in the sense that
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:02 PM
Apr 25

there are crimes that ONLY a president can do. Ordinary citizens do not have the powers of a president. Doesn't mean he isn't subject to criminal law like everybody else. Alito turned the whole argument backwards.

24601

(3,963 posts)
29. That parallels authorities that only a President can exercise. Some of today's oral argument addressed that only the
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:31 PM
Apr 25

sitting President can pardon crimes against the US, issue lawful orders as Commander in Chief of our military forces, sign or veto legislation, nominate and, with Senate Advice and Consent, appoint Ambassadors, Justices, and Article III Judges.

I have heard people deride the words, " It's not illegal when the President does it." The more accurate statement is that some actions are legal only for the President. Of course, The President can also schedule a colonoscopy and have the acting President do all these things while he/she is asleep. I was surprised when Cheney, as acting President under the 25th Amendment, didn't pardon Libby since Bush had only commuted his sentence.

24601

(3,963 posts)
58. Yep, while the original quote is attributed to Nixon, my comment was about deriding his statement. Who specifically
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:24 AM
Apr 26

took issue with Nixon? There are more people than I could reasonably quantify.

That said, it remains true that some actions (see my post # 49) are exclusive to a President, and anyone else attempting the action would find zero legal support. For example, consider a hypothetical Bernie Sanders declaring that he has pardoned Julian Assange for all past crimes against the United States. I don't see that argument progressing with any Article III Court.

Conversely, not everything a President does is accepted as within Presidential authority. If President Biden wakes up Saturday and announces that he has declared war against Russia, it would not be accepted as legal since the power to declare war is delegated to Congress (Article 1, Section, 8, Clause 11).

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
9. Then Alito doesn't know the U.S. Constitution and founding documents, and should be impeached.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:08 PM
Apr 25

HE thinks that no actions a president takes are outside the purview of "official acts."
That makes him irredeemably STUPID.

AZ8theist

(5,495 posts)
11. Go ahead Scalito, give the president TOTAL IMMUNITY.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:13 PM
Apr 25

Then have Joe Biden throw your ass in Guantanamo for subversion.

(I know, I know........won't happen. But it would GLORIOUS!!)

Polybius

(15,483 posts)
45. He's actually had that nickname before becoming a Justice
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 12:59 AM
Apr 26

In fact, at his hearing, a Democratic Senator slipped and called him Scalito.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
12. it's really chilling
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:16 PM
Apr 25

that this guy, who took women's rights away from them, now says "special" tsf should not be subject to the LAW, is on the highest court in the land. This land, that is supposed to be a nation of laws and not men!

i want my country back. it's never been perfect but it moved in that direction. now it's a clusterfuck, just a clusterfuck.

pack the court.

Srkdqltr

(6,322 posts)
13. They keep saying Trump but the president is Biden and maybe going forward.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:23 PM
Apr 25

Besides Trump isn't president and the immunity isn't retroactive. Or they haven't said it was retroactive.
This whole thing is nuts.

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
15. Undoubtedly his opnion will cite some 12th century chuch figure
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:31 PM
Apr 25

blathering on about the divine right of monarchs to rule without being subject to any but the laws of the church, and not often to them.

aggiesal

(8,924 posts)
17. Of course our forefathers specifically defined "Special" in our Constitution. ...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:57 PM
Apr 25

Do I need to add the sarcasm thingee?

dlk

(11,578 posts)
19. Do we have a president who's a chief executive or do we have a king?
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:09 PM
Apr 25

The zealots on the courts have shown us who they really are and, sadly, they don't value our democracy.

coprolite

(182 posts)
30. Alito's nose is brown from being buried deep in TFGs diaper.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:37 PM
Apr 25

I wish Joe would make them irrelevant by adding a few more Justices to the Court.

Dave Bowman

(1,879 posts)
33. Alito and other fat cats are scared.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:11 PM
Apr 25

They believe that they belong to a very exclusive club where all the members are above the law. Seeing an ex pResident having to face the music is making them very nervous, despite the fact that they well know that DumbDump is a despicable treasonous scumbag.

soldierant

(6,926 posts)
34. Sounds like grounds for impeachment to me.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:13 PM
Apr 25

If he thinks that, he cannot possibly judge impartially. And that is dirctly related to his ability to do his job.

Joyce Vance points out that the justices respond to hypotheticals fairly well, particularly when they get personal or close to it. Someone should ask,

"So you are saying that President Biden should be able tp kill you and face no penalty?"

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
37. If Trump is installed as president again...
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 09:08 PM
Apr 25

I'd avoid Time Square.

Trump might be there, shooting visitors to make himself feel better since the Supreme Court may say it's his right a president.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
40. Mmmm I guess it's not occured to some of the SCOTUS Judge's that they could be signing their own death warrants.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:05 PM
Apr 25

Because that's essentially what they would be doing as a President could then just send assassination squads out to bump them off.

sinkingfeeling

(51,474 posts)
43. So, there are now lawful classes of American citizens? Some are now 'special' and
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 11:57 PM
Apr 25

should be free to violate our laws?

Aussie105

(5,436 posts)
48. Alito needs to explain why Trump is so 'special'.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 03:48 AM
Apr 26

Did Alito complain about Nixon or Clinton being given the treatment?

Something in it for Alito in considering being kind to Trump, I wonder what it is?

There is a deeply felt belief amongst the MAGAt hardliners that a second Trump presidency somehow holds benefits for them.

There aren't.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
51. Time for Biden to have Alito arrested and sent to Gitmo!
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 06:58 AM
Apr 26

He could share a cell with the orange idiot. Of course, it would be an official act!!

doc03

(35,378 posts)
53. I can't believe the SCOTUS is seriously listening to Trump's lawyer saying
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 07:27 AM
Apr 26

a president could kill a political opponent. It is ridiculous, he should have been laughed out of court. But they
are seriously considering such a ridiculous argument. I think the so-called liberals should have just walked out.
Then we have that fat ass toad Barr saying he will still vote for Trump, it is beyond comprehension.

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
54. Originalist Shmoriginalist.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 07:29 AM
Apr 26

Alito wants to go all the way back to the good ole pre-Constitution ruled-by-a-tyrant days.

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