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There is no "left" or "right". There is only the Owners and the Rest of Us.

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There is no "left" or "right". There is only the Owners and the Rest of Us.
Some of the "Rest of Us" are Teabaggers, but that's only because they've been more successfully conned by the Owners to betray their own class. They are the products of the Owners' successful divide and conquer strategy -- an ancient strategy that's been deployed throughout history.

Why did Medieval peasants turn on their neighbors and condemn them as witches? It was because the Owner Class successfully sowed fear among them in order to control them.

It's no different today. The Owner Class consistently engages in misdirection to turn the anger of the oppressed away from the Owners -- the rightful target -- and toward another faction of the oppressed.

And EVERYONE falls into the same trap. No one is immune. We so-called liberals are just as gleeful in our hatred for those whom we deem beneath us, as any mob screaming "Witch! Witch!" in the village square.

As long as we are willing to focus hatred and mockery on our fellow victims of the Owners' designs, we are aiding and abetting the rule of the Owners.

sw
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   BIG K&R  leftstreet   Feb-07-10 11:29 PM   #1 
   KR  inna   Feb-07-10 11:31 PM   #2 
   It's true. They do pit us against each other so we won't fight them.  Jamastiene   Feb-07-10 11:33 PM   #3 
   That's why they scream so easily about "class warfare."  Jackpine Radical   Feb-08-10 08:49 PM   #168 
   Repugs, Dems, Tea Baggers, Greens, Libertarians, Haves, Have Nots  DJ13   Feb-07-10 11:35 PM   #4 
   +1 for...  rcrush   Feb-07-10 11:36 PM   #5 
   I am certain the delightful projection of your post must have passed unoticed...  liberation   Feb-08-10 04:35 PM   #126 
   Amen sister!  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Feb-07-10 11:37 PM   #6 
   and that's why even though Napoleon was not a very religious man  newspeak   Feb-08-10 12:31 PM   #70 
   Divide and conquer  begin_within   Feb-07-10 11:37 PM   #7 
   simplistic analysis.  cali   Feb-07-10 11:37 PM   #8 
   lol.  Hannah Bell   Feb-08-10 01:48 AM   #31 
   brilliant. just brilliant, hannah.  cali   Feb-08-10 05:45 AM   #48 
   I would say the owners are those who have had the resources to get laws that favor them and screw  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 02:06 AM   #36 
   It IS obvious.  Desertrose   Feb-08-10 12:32 PM   #71 
   Now, don't be nasty to Cali. She's special!  Joe Chi Minh   Feb-08-10 01:59 PM   #92 
   It is obvious. People saying "it's too complicated to come to any conclusions" simply shill  Political Heretic   Feb-08-10 03:00 PM   #107 
   Then why don't you write a post about the complexities?  AllyCat   Feb-08-10 04:58 PM   #130 
   Simplistic Post. Not allowing for the complexities of societies.  galileoreloaded   Feb-08-10 09:44 PM   #183 
   I've been saying this for a while. K&R.  Odin2005   Feb-07-10 11:41 PM   #9 
   yes, let's all pretend that there aren't large numbers of racists  cali   Feb-07-10 11:45 PM   #10 
      Then how did Obama get elected?  leftstreet   Feb-07-10 11:47 PM   #13 
      Pro-wrestling. nt  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 02:07 AM   #37 
      the teabaggers never supported him and never will , he got elected by other people  JI7   Feb-08-10 04:44 AM   #45 
         So there were more 'other people' than Teabaggers. Check. n/t  leftstreet   Feb-08-10 01:50 PM   #89 
            *crickets*  Political Heretic   Feb-08-10 03:01 PM   #109 
            yes there are, that doesn't mean there aren't racists, just like Oprah being popular doesn't mean  JI7   Feb-08-10 03:06 PM   #113 
      Those people are mislead, not evil.  Odin2005   Feb-08-10 12:22 AM   #20 
      they certainly are evil , i fucking hate them , racist piece of shits  JI7   Feb-08-10 04:41 AM   #42 
      Dehuminization alert.  Odin2005   Feb-08-10 09:08 AM   #61 
      Interesting comment from someone who regularly smears those in the autism community  earth mom   Feb-08-10 01:26 PM   #84 
         Oh, is that PROJECTION I see?  Odin2005   Feb-08-10 04:35 PM   #125 
            You just proved my point. nt  earth mom   Feb-08-10 04:59 PM   #131 
      reply to no. 20 and 42.  wolfgangmo   Feb-08-10 12:11 PM   #68 
      Including the "good Germans" who went to fight fascism in Spain, for eample?  Jackpine Radical   Feb-08-10 08:57 PM   #172 
      "Absolute statements are never correct."  varelse   Feb-08-10 08:59 PM   #173 
      Just looking for an excuse to hate, you're no different than they are.  Political Heretic   Feb-08-10 03:02 PM   #110 
      Some of each, I think  LeftishBrit   Feb-08-10 08:06 AM   #58 
         "some people think that it is OK to pander to racism and social intolerance  Number23   Feb-08-10 04:25 PM   #124 
      Let's also pretend that this anger is born of nothing.  Marr   Feb-08-10 01:10 AM   #23 
      they weren't angry during the Bush years, only when the black man became President  JI7   Feb-08-10 04:42 AM   #44 
      surely you haven't forgotten the clinton impeachment.  Hannah Bell   Feb-08-10 08:01 AM   #57 
      Thank you. I don't know how in hell people can have so quickly forgotten the relentless witch hunt  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 11:26 AM   #64 
      yeah, it's clear the teabagging crowd hated Clinton and thought he favored minorities  JI7   Feb-08-10 03:07 PM   #114 
      They were angry all through the Bush years.  Marr   Feb-08-10 01:02 PM   #79 
      Exactly (nt)  dflprincess   Feb-08-10 10:28 PM   #195 
      That's actually not at all true.  Political Heretic   Feb-08-10 03:03 PM   #111 
      Exactly! Thank you for saying this and saying it so well.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 07:11 AM   #52 
      and, their anger is being directed  newspeak   Feb-08-10 12:35 PM   #72 
      lol again. witch, witch! it's the teabaggers! those bad people! (psst funded by the owners)  Hannah Bell   Feb-08-10 01:49 AM   #32 
      +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 02:07 AM   #38 
      nope. no name calling in my post. just  cali   Feb-08-10 05:44 AM   #47 
      they're racists! they're racists! the omnipresence of racism = the omnipresence of witches.  Hannah Bell   Feb-08-10 07:59 AM   #56 
      This thread's sudden segue into anti-freeper language  dixiegrrrrl   Feb-08-10 08:51 AM   #60 
      Teabaggers are a distraction. They are dupes, funded by the ownership class.  freddie mertz   Feb-08-10 09:09 AM   #62 
      Bingo! You are exactly right, Freddie. n/t  Desertrose   Feb-08-10 12:36 PM   #73 
         Indeed.  Jackpine Radical   Feb-08-10 09:28 PM   #180 
      BURN THE WITCH!!! BURN THE WITCH!!!  Odin2005   Feb-08-10 09:11 AM   #63 
      Cali, there are large numbers of those, it's just that the top/down issues are even bigger  Land Shark   Feb-08-10 02:14 PM   #96 
      sure, but they don't see it that way. and I suspect that it's virtually impossible  cali   Feb-08-10 05:02 PM   #132 
      I have disagreed with you many times before but I heartily concur here  Reterr   Feb-08-10 05:59 PM   #136 
      Quoting the OP  maryf   Feb-08-10 08:31 PM   #162 
      Racism, religious intolerance, anti-socialism, etc.  Jackpine Radical   Feb-08-10 08:53 PM   #170 
      I agree. Are they "left" or "right"?? n/t  galileoreloaded   Feb-08-10 09:47 PM   #185 
      Race and religion are ways the ruling class keeps the serfs from coming together  dflprincess   Feb-08-10 10:16 PM   #191 
   K&R n/t  OhioChick   Feb-07-10 11:46 PM   #11 
   True. Upon researching, I found out the witch hunts were actually organized thefts  KonaKane   Feb-07-10 11:46 PM   #12 
   Bingo!!!  newspeak   Feb-08-10 12:29 PM   #69 
   Kleptocracies, all.  KonaKane   Feb-08-10 06:59 PM   #143 
   Organized armed robbery + murder  varelse   Feb-08-10 09:01 PM   #175 
   I have more common interests with "TeaBaggers"....  bvar22   Feb-07-10 11:49 PM   #14 
   "If the Democratic Party still represented Working Americans" -- and that's the rub.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 12:07 AM   #18 
   The Democrats We See Today Aren't The Democrats Of the Party I've  ChiciB1   Feb-08-10 09:44 PM   #182 
      Oh, you remember THIS Democratic Party:  bvar22   Feb-09-10 01:13 PM   #214 
   You have very eloquently stated the sane approach.  bobbolink   Feb-07-10 11:51 PM   #15 
   Pretty much.  Forkboy   Feb-07-10 11:58 PM   #16 
   K&R  amborin   Feb-08-10 12:03 AM   #17 
   look to those who foment intolerance and bigotry  G_j   Feb-08-10 12:09 AM   #19 
   Religion works but there are many other ways they do this  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 02:12 AM   #39 
   George Carlin said it best  pokerfan   Feb-08-10 12:51 AM   #21 
   Absolutely true. George Carlin did indeed nail it brilliantly.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 07:07 AM   #51 
   Nice and Concise  Kalun D   Feb-08-10 12:58 AM   #22 
   Zing. It's as simple as that.  David Zephyr   Feb-08-10 01:12 AM   #24 
   Thanks, David.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 06:40 AM   #49 
   K & R  yurbud   Feb-08-10 01:12 AM   #25 
   Useful to think about. How dividing us is used to weaken us. //nt  Overseas   Feb-08-10 01:15 AM   #26 
   Yep.  cliffordu   Feb-08-10 01:20 AM   #27 
   This game they play with us,  asdjrocky   Feb-08-10 01:21 AM   #28 
   K&R - 'Them' now are not even human. No guillotine will behead 'Them' and no  ConsAreLiars   Feb-08-10 01:37 AM   #29 
   True! I think it's more systemic/machine-like than we realize...  PerpetuallyDazed   Feb-08-10 11:27 AM   #65 
   I have to disagree with Liberals as equal "haters". We "reach across the aisle" we compromise  Lorien   Feb-08-10 01:43 AM   #30 
   do "we"? or is that simply a cover story?  Hannah Bell   Feb-08-10 01:51 AM   #33 
      For the DLC it's just a cover story. For traditional Dems it's an unfortunate  Lorien   Feb-08-10 02:05 AM   #35 
   Well said.  alfredo   Feb-08-10 01:57 AM   #34 
   K&R.  Vidar   Feb-08-10 02:28 AM   #40 
   K & R!  daughter of liberty2   Feb-08-10 04:38 AM   #41 
   being poor doesn't excuse someone from being a fucking bigot  JI7   Feb-08-10 04:41 AM   #43 
   including thinking Teabaggers have "been more successfully conned"?  omega minimo   Feb-08-10 05:06 AM   #46 
   Can't say it any better myself. K/R  BigBearJohn   Feb-08-10 06:44 AM   #50 
   The left clearly knows that which makes us a true threat to the powers that be.  stillwaiting   Feb-08-10 07:36 AM   #53 
   "There are only two classes..."  blindpig   Feb-08-10 07:47 AM   #54 
   There is certainly 'left' and 'right'  LeftishBrit   Feb-08-10 07:56 AM   #55 
   K & R!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Feb-08-10 08:28 AM   #59 
   "Owners" is the right word.  freedom fighter jh   Feb-08-10 11:38 AM   #66 
   But don't be confused...  blindpig   Feb-08-10 12:02 PM   #67 
      And few of the cheerleaders  truedelphi   Feb-08-10 07:55 PM   #147 
   Thanks for this post SW.  Desertrose   Feb-08-10 12:51 PM   #74 
   Oh, my dear Desertrose! I'm absolutely giddy with happiness to see you on this thread!  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 08:12 PM   #151 
   I couldn't agree more.  Uncle Joe   Feb-08-10 12:55 PM   #75 
   "They pit the lifers against the new boy . . .  Strelnikov_   Feb-08-10 01:00 PM   #76 
   I call bs on this....  Green_Lantern   Feb-08-10 01:01 PM   #77 
   and no one is discussing you, in the least.  TheKentuckian   Feb-08-10 01:17 PM   #81 
   or the fact she owners and  Green_Lantern   Feb-08-10 01:39 PM   #86 
   You are one of the owned, just like us  varelse   Feb-08-10 09:07 PM   #176 
   I Don't Think I Understand What He's Talking About Myself... Perhaps I Just  ChiciB1   Feb-08-10 09:53 PM   #186 
   Who says you are one of 'the Owners'?  Strelnikov_   Feb-08-10 01:24 PM   #83 
   and no one is discussing you, in the least.  TheKentuckian   Feb-08-10 02:05 PM   #93 
   That's the problem with this site - y'all think you are "owners"  TBF   Feb-08-10 04:05 PM   #123 
   The OP isn't talking about business owners  Boudica the Lyoness   Feb-08-10 06:00 PM   #137 
   'Corrupted by radical socialism like in Europaean countries'???  LeftishBrit   Feb-08-10 06:14 PM   #139 
   Maybe thinking  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Feb-09-10 12:09 AM   #206 
   yep. knr  Mari333   Feb-08-10 01:02 PM   #78 
   American politics in a nutshell:  Initech   Feb-08-10 01:10 PM   #80 
   SW,  myrna minx   Feb-08-10 01:20 PM   #82 
   The powers that be have got us all where they want us-fighting over religion, abortion, gay rights  earth mom   Feb-08-10 01:36 PM   #85 
   I think the OP approaches being correct but misses reality in a desire for simplicity  TheKentuckian   Feb-08-10 01:42 PM   #87 
   The best way to thwart a "revolution" is to lead it. n/t  Beam Me Up   Feb-08-10 01:48 PM   #88 
   +100000000000  leftstreet   Feb-08-10 01:52 PM   #90 
   Except that every once in a while it backfires...  Junkdrawer   Feb-08-10 02:06 PM   #95 
      Yep. Dangerous game, "revolution". n/t  Beam Me Up   Feb-08-10 03:31 PM   #116 
   In my estimation this fact is even more controversial for greater numbers of people than, say, 9/11  Echo In Light   Feb-08-10 01:52 PM   #91 
   No. There's left and right. I really get tired of the "we and the teabaggers are in the same  TwilightGardener   Feb-08-10 02:06 PM   #94 
   There are right and left wings of the ruling class...  blindpig   Feb-08-10 02:28 PM   #97 
   No--even the little people can have natural (or learned) conservative or progressive bents.  TwilightGardener   Feb-08-10 02:39 PM   #100 
      Even so, I think the main points are:  metapunditedgy   Feb-08-10 02:52 PM   #103 
      What are 'conservative or progressive bents?'  leftstreet   Feb-08-10 03:01 PM   #108 
      Well, you either want everything to stay exactly the same as what you grew up with  TwilightGardener   Feb-08-10 03:39 PM   #117 
         Would you say a lot of 'conservatives' wanted change when they voted Obama?  leftstreet   Feb-08-10 03:43 PM   #118 
            I would think conservatives voting for Obama is a testament to just  TwilightGardener   Feb-08-10 03:48 PM   #119 
               Indeed  leftstreet   Feb-08-10 03:53 PM   #120 
      And who do you think is doing the manipulating?  blindpig   Feb-08-10 03:10 PM   #115 
   Of course its complete bullshit  Reterr   Feb-08-10 06:15 PM   #140 
   We are all in the same boat. The difference is we know what boat we're in and they don't  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 08:10 PM   #150 
   We are a nation of "True Believers" as Eric Hoffer wrote about.  BeHereNow   Feb-08-10 02:31 PM   #98 
   They are the overlords and the rest of us are the serfs and peasants.  Cleita   Feb-08-10 02:39 PM   #99 
   there is a class war  branders seine   Feb-08-10 02:40 PM   #101 
   History shows they will screw it up! Rest of world will not walk to its grave!  RedCloud   Feb-08-10 02:50 PM   #102 
   Kicking with a rec'  BeHereNow   Feb-08-10 02:53 PM   #104 
   K & R....  winyanstaz   Feb-08-10 02:56 PM   #105 
   Hallelujah and Amen  rem3006   Feb-08-10 02:57 PM   #106 
   Well said. Hits the nail squarely on the head.  Political Heretic   Feb-08-10 03:05 PM   #112 
   knr thanks n/t  slipslidingaway   Feb-08-10 03:59 PM   #121 
   Right on, SW, very well done n/t  TBF   Feb-08-10 04:03 PM   #122 
   We're on the same page. Many witches were burned because they were widowed land owners.  rhett o rick   Feb-08-10 04:47 PM   #127 
   k & r  Starry Messenger   Feb-08-10 04:51 PM   #128 
   Yes!! We have to stop the fighting amongst our groups and realize corps  AllyCat   Feb-08-10 04:55 PM   #129 
   Another K&R for this.  Greyhound   Feb-08-10 05:09 PM   #133 
   An organized resistance is what the owners fear  Goldstein1984   Feb-08-10 05:21 PM   #134 
   Absolutely accurate, as usual. +1000. nt  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 08:12 PM   #152 
   I nearly incited an organized resistance at the post office today...heh-heh.  BeHereNow   Feb-08-10 08:44 PM   #165 
      Well done :)  winyanstaz   Feb-08-10 10:51 PM   #196 
   I already replied once, but I just have to thank you again for such an excellent post.  Political Heretic   Feb-08-10 05:30 PM   #135 
   And I have to thank YOU, for all I learn from YOUR posts.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 08:28 PM   #159 
   Scarletwomen is wide awake.....  midnight   Feb-08-10 06:09 PM   #138 
   Exactly. All the other issues are distractions  NAO   Feb-08-10 06:21 PM   #141 
   Kickety-kick!!!  Desertrose   Feb-08-10 06:57 PM   #142 
   Well done SW. :)  SalmonChantedEvening   Feb-08-10 07:04 PM   #144 
   Ah, dear love! I'm absolutely delighted to "see" you here! You said it so well!  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 08:03 PM   #148 
   Mon Cher :)  SalmonChantedEvening   Feb-08-10 08:08 PM   #149 
      I hear you are a denizen of the Lounge these days.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 08:18 PM   #154 
         I have a wonderful weekly gathering of teh happeez. :)  SalmonChantedEvening   Feb-08-10 08:30 PM   #160 
   +++1000 nt  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 08:13 PM   #153 
   Amen. nt  tbyg52   Feb-08-10 07:40 PM   #145 
   To all on this thread:  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 07:51 PM   #146 
   I don't see how it could be any clearer than that. Kudos galore! nt  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 08:20 PM   #155 
   Many thanks. And thank you for all your kind and supportive posts in this thread.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 08:50 PM   #169 
      You are very welcome!  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 10:27 PM   #194 
   as impossible as it may seem  G_j   Feb-08-10 08:20 PM   #156 
   I would give you a second recommendation for this post scarletwoman.  Uncle Joe   Feb-08-10 08:25 PM   #157 
   Thank you so much.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 08:31 PM   #161 
   hi scarletwomen  lxlxlxl   Feb-08-10 10:13 PM   #190 
   Thank you for your critique.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 10:24 PM   #193 
   Nailed it.  blindpig   Feb-09-10 07:52 AM   #208 
   QUIT ACTING LIKE FOOLS do something that can make a difference and feels good.  LetsSaveAmerica   Feb-08-10 08:26 PM   #158 
   ah, yes--everything is about taxes  newspeak   Feb-09-10 11:31 AM   #212 
   K&R  maryf   Feb-08-10 08:41 PM   #163 
   Thank you! Yes, there's been a good conversation here.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 08:48 PM   #166 
      Hear, hear, sister!  maryf   Feb-08-10 08:56 PM   #171 
   No, there is still left and right  salib   Feb-08-10 08:42 PM   #164 
   I hope you will read my post #146, which may (or may not) answer some of your objections.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 09:11 PM   #178 
   I did read your response #146 and I do not see how it addresses my complaint  salib   Feb-09-10 11:04 AM   #210 
   Your attempt to redeem .....  galileoreloaded   Feb-08-10 09:46 PM   #184 
   You can call BS all you want. SW's excellent address to your issue in #146  laughingliberal   Feb-08-10 10:12 PM   #189 
   I'm gonna refresh my NLP skills & start trying to lead them a little further left  Jackpine Radical   Feb-08-10 08:48 PM   #167 
   I studied that NLP stuff, too -- many years ago, as well.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 09:01 PM   #174 
      If we let these divisions stand, we're letting the reptiles win.  Jackpine Radical   Feb-08-10 09:25 PM   #179 
         It makes sense as metaphor. All us humans have a "reptilian" brain as part of our overall makeup.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 09:41 PM   #181 
   it's the old "better the devil you know" argument  left of center   Feb-08-10 09:10 PM   #177 
   Couldn't agree more  howaboutme   Feb-08-10 09:53 PM   #187 
   Absolutely!  pmorlan1   Feb-08-10 09:58 PM   #188 
   Some in the "rest of us category" are having delusions that someday they will be allowed  lonestarnot   Feb-08-10 10:17 PM   #192 
   yeah  lexicaltexan   Feb-08-10 11:03 PM   #198 
      Oh, but we DO have titles of nobility:  bvar22   Feb-09-10 12:44 PM   #213 
   Exceptionally well put!  DeSwiss   Feb-08-10 11:02 PM   #197 
   Thank you. I don't know about "exceptionally", I'm just happy that some folks understood  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 11:08 PM   #200 
      It's a topic of particular interest to me.....  DeSwiss   Feb-09-10 12:13 AM   #207 
   George Carlin would approve - RIP  howaboutme   Feb-08-10 11:07 PM   #199 
   K&R  Individualist   Feb-08-10 11:13 PM   #201 
   I agree  Swamp Rat   Feb-08-10 11:19 PM   #202 
   C'est tu!?! Chéri!  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 11:35 PM   #203 
      tres bien, mon amour  Swamp Rat   Feb-08-10 11:39 PM   #204 
         Words of wisdom: "Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes.  scarletwoman   Feb-08-10 11:49 PM   #205 
   Sadly...  sendero   Feb-09-10 07:59 AM   #209 
   Bravo! K&R n/t  OneGrassRoot   Feb-09-10 11:06 AM   #211 
 
leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:29 PM
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1. BIG K&R
Thank you!

:applause:
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:31 PM
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2. KR

:kick:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:33 PM
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3. It's true. They do pit us against each other so we won't fight them.
Their biggest fear is that our eyes are opened to their tactics and we begin to fight them.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 08:49 PM
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168. That's why they scream so easily about "class warfare."
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:35 PM
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4. Repugs, Dems, Tea Baggers, Greens, Libertarians, Haves, Have Nots
The elites work hard at keeping us divided on the unimportant things just so we dont come to realize how much we really have in common when it comes to being screwed over by those same elites.
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rcrush (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:36 PM
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5. +1 for...
"We so-called liberals are just as gleeful in our hatred for those whom we deem beneath us, as any mob screaming "Witch! Witch!" in the village square."
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liberation (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:35 PM
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126. I am certain the delightful projection of your post must have passed unoticed...
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 04:36 PM by liberation
... while rushing to get on that high moral horse.
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:37 PM
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6. Amen sister!
Napoleon is credited with saying 'religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich'
Ever notice how there are lots of songs about labor leaders, for example, but none about owners?
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:31 PM
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70. and that's why even though Napoleon was not a very religious man
he would have shot a non-believer, because he could not control one who was curious or challenged his authority.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:37 PM
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7. Divide and conquer
As long as the Owners divide the rest of us into DUers and Freepers, and let us battle it out endlessly, they still screw us all over.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:37 PM
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8. simplistic analysis.
both of the current situation and the historical one. It's so much more complex than that. I understand the urge to find one clear cut enemy, but it's not as simple as you think. You seem to have no idea that you're doing what you decry. That's interesting. I mean really, who are the owners? Is it anyone about a certain income level? What exactly?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:48 AM
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31. lol.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 05:45 AM
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48. brilliant. just brilliant, hannah.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 02:06 AM
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36. I would say the owners are those who have had the resources to get laws that favor them and screw
the rest of us passed. I thought that was obvious.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:32 PM
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71. It IS obvious.
Some just don't want to believe it. Hate to have their own special worldview rocked.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:59 PM
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92. Now, don't be nasty to Cali. She's special!Updated at 6:08 PM
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 03:00 PM
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107. It is obvious. People saying "it's too complicated to come to any conclusions" simply shill
for rulers rather than workers.

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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:58 PM
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130. Then why don't you write a post about the complexities?
Or is it easier for you to accuse someone else as simple and then do nothing about it?
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galileoreloaded (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 09:44 PM
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183. Simplistic Post. Not allowing for the complexities of societies.
Nice try though!!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:41 PM
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9. I've been saying this for a while. K&R.
The DLC has doing a good job encouraging classist sentiment among Democrats (Sheep! Morans! Stupid, gun-toting rednecks!!!) in order to keep us populists attacking each other.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:45 PM
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10. yes, let's all pretend that there aren't large numbers of racists
and religiously intolerant people who hate government, despise socialism, worship Limbaugh and praise unfettered capitalism. It's all the DLC or the owners or whoever.

All populists are not cut from the same bolt of cloth.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:47 PM
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13. Then how did Obama get elected?
A black candidate who was called a 'socialist' by the other side?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 02:07 AM
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37. Pro-wrestling. nt
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:44 AM
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45. the teabaggers never supported him and never will , he got elected by other people
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:50 PM
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89. So there were more 'other people' than Teabaggers. Check. n/t
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 03:01 PM
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109. *crickets*
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 03:06 PM
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113. yes there are, that doesn't mean there aren't racists, just like Oprah being popular doesn't mean
black woman would have as easy time getting a job as a white man.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:22 AM
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20. Those people are mislead, not evil.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:41 AM
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42. they certainly are evil , i fucking hate them , racist piece of shits
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 09:08 AM
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61. Dehuminization alert.
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 09:08 AM by Odin2005
Don't become what you hate.
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earth mom (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:26 PM
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84. Interesting comment from someone who regularly smears those in the autism community
who are only trying to find not only answers but justice and human rights for their loved ones with autism.

:eyes:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:35 PM
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125. Oh, is that PROJECTION I see?
A curebie talking about human rights? :rofl:
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earth mom (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:59 PM
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131. You just proved my point. nt
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:11 PM
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68. reply to no. 20 and 42.
Absolute statements are never correct.

It is as equally true that some of those folks are evil as it is that some of them are mislead. Both of you are engaging in prejudicial thinking and, one might assume, discriminatory actions. But I can't say for sure since I don't know either of you.

Let's all keep in mind that not all Germans were sick evil twisted fucks during WW2, but we should also remember that "good germans" who should have known better allowed the tragedies of that time to proceed with their tacit agreement. The good germans also shared the blame.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 08:57 PM
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172. Including the "good Germans" who went to fight fascism in Spain, for eample?
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 08:59 PM
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173. "Absolute statements are never correct."
I need an aspirin after that one. Oy.
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 03:02 PM
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110. Just looking for an excuse to hate, you're no different than they are.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 08:06 AM
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58. Some of each, I think
In any case, if you are a black person or Jew or Muslim or immigrant or gay or 'witch' who is murdered by haters, you are just as dead, whether they murdered you out of evil intentions or being misled.

You have often pointed out the very serious problems of school bullying; and I do think that a certain proportion of far-rightists are simply school bullies grown up.

Some *are* just ill-informed. It is no coincidence that right-wing leaders often pursue policies that restrict access to education among the population: a poorly educated populace is easier to manipulate.

It is also true that bad economic circumstances breed prejudice and xenophobia and intolerance. If the Germans had not been up against the wall in the 1930s, perhaps Hitler would never have risen to power. Economic justice is vital not only for its own sake, but also for reducing the fertility of the soil that breeds racist and fascist and warmongering movements.

However, I sometimes get the impression that some people (definitely not including you) think that it is OK to pander to racism and social intolerance in order to get allies against the economic establishment and/or against the war. And this view is dangerous and could encourage neo-fascist movements.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:25 PM
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124. "some people think that it is OK to pander to racism and social intolerance
in order to get allies against the economic establishment and/or against the war. And this view is dangerous and could encourage neo-fascist movements."

THANK YOU. And these same people are flabbergasted, just FLABBERGASTED when blacks and Hispanics and Jews etc. say "what in the name of God is the matter with you wanting to align with these imbeciles??!"

Many of the ones who advocate this policy the loudest are also (coincidentally or not) the same ones who can find NOTHING good with anything that Obama has done while in office. It is damning and very telling.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:10 AM
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23. Let's also pretend that this anger is born of nothing.
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 01:11 AM by Marr
This right-wing populist movement is a lot of things, but most of all it's angry. Angry, working class people who feel like they've been screwed over, and rightly so. Some of them put the blame on minorities or liberals, out of their own prejudices or the urging of a scapegoating right-wing propagandist like Rush Limbaugh, but that's not the issue.

Much of the working class in this country has their back against the wall and they're extremely pissed off, and they're in that position because they've been exploited by big-money interests.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:42 AM
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44. they weren't angry during the Bush years, only when the black man became President
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 08:01 AM
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57. surely you haven't forgotten the clinton impeachment.
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 08:02 AM by Hannah Bell
it's the same people. clinton was a fairly popular president but there was a hard-core who hated him. same people.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 11:26 AM
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64. Thank you. I don't know how in hell people can have so quickly forgotten the relentless witch hunt
Clinton endured.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 03:07 PM
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114. yeah, it's clear the teabagging crowd hated Clinton and thought he favored minorities
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:02 PM
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79. They were angry all through the Bush years.
They just weren't organized into TV-friendly appearances. And why would they be? The interests who set up this "Tea Party" promotion were in power back then.

You can't tell me you've forgotten all the angry Conservatives and "morans" during the Bush years. Same people, angry at the same things. Maybe they blame the wrong people for their lot in life, but that doesn't change the fact that their life in pretty shitty and they are indeed angry about it.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 10:28 PM
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195. Exactly (nt)
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 03:03 PM
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111. That's actually not at all true.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 07:11 AM
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52. Exactly! Thank you for saying this and saying it so well.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:35 PM
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72. and, their anger is being directed
it's the blame game-their anger is directed towards those they are taught or told to fear. For the MSM hate spewers know how to pander to one's preconceived prejudices.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:49 AM
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32. lol again. witch, witch! it's the teabaggers! those bad people! (psst funded by the owners)
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 02:07 AM
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38. +1000 nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 05:44 AM
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47. nope. no name calling in my post. just
describing what the teapartiers espouse.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 07:59 AM
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56. they're racists! they're racists! the omnipresence of racism = the omnipresence of witches.
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 08:00 AM by Hannah Bell
serves the same function to the rulers.

look, witches!! you need us to protect you from those bad entities!!

the fact remains that the teapartiers can hardly draw a crowd.

the only reason they get airtime is because someone with deep pockets & connections is backing them.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 08:51 AM
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60. This thread's sudden segue into anti-freeper language
makes the OP's point.


And your point, Hannah, sorely bears repeating.
The tiny group of Freepers is funded and driven by a RW idealogue.
Didja notice how C-span made it seem such an important group>
48 hour coverage, all weekend.
Barf............
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 09:09 AM
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62. Teabaggers are a distraction. They are dupes, funded by the ownership class.
They WANT progressives to hate and mock them, which will just fire them up more.

Meanwhile, they just continue along, taking ever more control of every facet of your life.

Fascism divides, then wins.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:36 PM
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73. Bingo! You are exactly right, Freddie. n/t
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 09:28 PM
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180. Indeed.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 09:11 AM
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63. BURN THE WITCH!!! BURN THE WITCH!!!
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 09:12 AM by Odin2005
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Land Shark (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 02:14 PM
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96. Cali, there are large numbers of those, it's just that the top/down issues are even bigger
The left and the right need to make common cause to preserve the ability for our serious disputes TO EVEN MATTER.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 05:02 PM
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132. sure, but they don't see it that way. and I suspect that it's virtually impossible
to get the vast majority of them to understand that.
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 05:59 PM
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136. I have disagreed with you many times before but I heartily concur here
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 06:00 PM by Reterr
"All populists are not cut from the same bolt of cloth."

The tea-baggers in no way represent any values of mine and the fact that many of them are disempowered the same way that I am does not fool me into believing that I have any goals in common with them.
Aside from the racism and homophobia, the blatant disdain and paranoia for anything associated with literacy, education, science, heck broadening one's mind in general, makes me wary of this style of populism.

It is a damn shame that everyone does not have the same access to education and that is something the elites have promoted and helps disempower people. But proudly clinging to illiteracy and indeed making an acheievment out of how much you despise learning, knowledge etc. is going down a path that ensures you will remain ignorant and with your mind clouded in darkness and paranoia...

The teabaggers represent the worst kind of populists-those that disempower the alreadfy disempowered by telling them to reject knowledge, education and science.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 08:31 PM
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162. Quoting the OP
"but that's only because they've been more successfully conned by the Owners to betray their own class"
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 08:53 PM
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170. Racism, religious intolerance, anti-socialism, etc.
are just more examples of the divisions fostered among us.
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galileoreloaded (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 09:47 PM
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185. I agree. Are they "left" or "right"?? n/t
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 09:47 PM by galileoreloaded
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 10:16 PM
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191. Race and religion are ways the ruling class keeps the serfs from coming together
The most dangerous thing Martin Luther King, Jr. ever planned was the Poor People's March on Washington. Get a whole lot of poor folks together and they start talking and figuring out that their economic situation gives them a lot more in common than their race makes them different, and the powers that be may have a big problem on their hands.

MLK was murdered before the march happened. It still went on but without his leadership it was not the event he had hoped it would be.

Sadly, it is all too easy to divide people using race and/or religion as the reason TPB know this and Rush, Beck, Palin etal are willing tools to help with the division.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:46 PM
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11. K&R n/t
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:46 PM
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12. True. Upon researching, I found out the witch hunts were actually organized thefts
blessed by the church (in bed with owners) who could take your possessions, your land and then your life if they even suspected you of "Witchcraft". I once saw a list of "needs" from the period, penned by a Witchfinder General visiting a small town to try an old woman for witchery. It was a laundry list of goodies, new clothes, new shoes, new horses and coach finery that would all be paid for by the estate of the old woman if she were found guilty.

Well guess how that turned out.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:29 PM
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69. Bingo!!!
It was organized theft! And some who went along with the church, did so in fear. Just like some German citizens did not speak because of fear. A powerful organization (government or church) used scapegoats and fear to gain further control of the masses, gain more power and wealth. When the inquisition came into towns, many people would flee. The town or the family had to pay for their torturers, their land was confiscated. It was a very lucrative business. When the Nazis outlawed the Jews, all of their assets were seized by the German government. A very, very lucrative enterprise.
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 06:59 PM
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143. Kleptocracies, all.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 09:01 PM
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175. Organized armed robbery + murder
but yes, your point is taken.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:49 PM
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14. I have more common interests with "TeaBaggers"....
..than with the Ownership Class.

If the Democratic Party still represented Working Americans, it would be easy to romance some of the less crazy members away on Populist Economic issues.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:07 AM
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18. "If the Democratic Party still represented Working Americans" -- and that's the rub.
Working Americans have been screwed for decades. But because there are more of us than there are Owners, the Owners have to make sure that we don't make common cause with each other. The Owners appear to have an easy time of it, unfortunately.

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 09:44 PM
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182. The Democrats We See Today Aren't The Democrats Of the Party I've
belonged to for all my life1 Well at least since I was 11 and started following politics!

You are so correct, THEY don't represent Working Americans or "we the people" much anymore. It's really a sad state of affairs, but I don't think many of them are listening much. If the Democrats had a movement going like the T.B.'s I think many would follow because so many feel betrayed by their own in Congress & the WH!

But, it's not happening and people ARE getting angrier and angrier! I wonder so much these days when things are really going to POP! Could be wrong, and apathy for us will remain the same.

JMHO
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Feb-09-10 01:13 PM
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214. Oh, you remember THIS Democratic Party:
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.---FDR

THAT is the Democratic Party of my parents and grandparents.
THAT is the Democratic Party I joined 41 years ago.
Unfortunately, THAT "Democratic Party" is dead, DEAD, DEAD.

It bears NO resemblance to the political party using that name today.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:51 PM
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15. You have very eloquently stated the sane approach.
And you have Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and other lumaries to follow.

:applause:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Feb-07-10 11:58 PM
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16. Pretty much.
I've always said that war is just one country's workers fighting another country's workers for the right to be exploited by the victor. But the theory works in more than just war. "Look, there's your enemy...go get 'em!" Easy as pie.

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amborin (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:03 AM
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17. K&R
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:09 AM
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19. look to those who foment intolerance and bigotry
and it is so easy to see that there is a conscious effort to divide people against each other. Unfortunately, religion is used in this way most effectively. The concept, as always, is to keep the people fighting each other
:thumbsup:.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 02:12 AM
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39. Religion works but there are many other ways they do this
Look at the fight over taxing the benefits of union workers. A classic worker against worker fight right here on DU. Then there's the "people who bought more house than they could afford. Many other examples these days to keep us fighting each other instead of organizing against the ruling class.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:51 AM
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21. George Carlin said it best
From his 2005 HBO special: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

Transcript:
There's a reason for this, there's a reason education sucks, and it's the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. It's never going to get any better. Don't look for it. Be happy with what you've got... because the owners of this country don’t want that. I'm talking about the real owners now... the real owners. The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians.

The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear.

They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want.

They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin’ years ago. They don’t want that.

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street.

And you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later 'cause they own this fuckin' place. It’s a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy.

The table has tilted, folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good, honest, hard-working people: white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good, honest, hard-working people continue — these are people of modest means — continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about them. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t care about you at all! At all! At all!

And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes every day, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream, 'cause you have to be asleep to believe it.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 07:07 AM
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51. Absolutely true. George Carlin did indeed nail it brilliantly.
Thank you for posting that.
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Kalun D (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:58 AM
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22. Nice and Concise
Good Post

K & R
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:12 AM
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24. Zing. It's as simple as that.Updated at 8:01 PM
But that's the short and long of it all, scarletwoman.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 06:40 AM
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49. Thanks, David.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:12 AM
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25. K & R
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:15 AM
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26. Useful to think about. How dividing us is used to weaken us. //nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:20 AM
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27. Yep.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:21 AM
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28. This game they play with us,
Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative.

All pure bullshit to distract the masses.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:37 AM
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29. K&R - 'Them' now are not even human. No guillotine will behead 'Them' and no
torches or pitchforks will effect them.

They are not human.

They are Golem, artificial creations/machines that exist only to steal, plunder, pillage, rape, exploit, and dominate through force.
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PerpetuallyDazed (690 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 11:27 AM
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65. True! I think it's more systemic/machine-like than we realize...
Have you ever seen the movie "The Cube"? "They" are made of individuals who are cogs in a larger "ownership class" machine.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:43 AM
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30. I have to disagree with Liberals as equal "haters". We "reach across the aisle" we compromise
we keep running for the football as Lucy (the GOP) snatches it up again. We get the sand kicked in our faces and do nothing about it. We don't even say "hey, remember who got us into this mess?" We like to be liked and that's why their vocal minority keeps winning.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:51 AM
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33. do "we"? or is that simply a cover story?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 02:05 AM
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35. For the DLC it's just a cover story. For traditional Dems it's an unfortunate
tradition.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:57 AM
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34. Well said.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 02:28 AM
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40. K&R.
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daughter of liberty2 (64 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:38 AM
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41. K & R!
:yourock:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:41 AM
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43. being poor doesn't excuse someone from being a fucking bigot
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 05:06 AM
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46. including thinking Teabaggers have "been more successfully conned"?
:crazy:
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 06:44 AM
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50. Can't say it any better myself. K/R
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stillwaiting (212 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 07:36 AM
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53. The left clearly knows that which makes us a true threat to the powers that be.
The right have been conditioned to literally despise us. Hate us. Think we are evil and serve the devil.

Of course, that has been done for a reason. Their hate and rhetoric against us obviously makes us direct our attention back on them. It can be pretty disturbing.

Of course, we DO still focus on the elite for the correct reasons, but our chances of persuading our "friends across the aisle" are slim after
the constant dehumanizing that has occurred from their official mouthpieces.

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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 07:47 AM
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54. "There are only two classes..."


Ten Days That Shook the World
John Reed
1922
(excerpt from chapter VII, "The Revolutionary Front")
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We sallied out into the town. Just at the door of the station stood two soldiers with rifles and bayonets fixed. They were surrounded by about a hundred business men, government officials and students, who attacked them with passionate argument and epithet. The soldiers were uncomfortable and hurt, like children unjustly scolded.


A tall young man with a supercilious expression, dressed in the uniform of a student, was leading the attack.

"You realise, I presume," he said insolently, "that by taking up arms against your brothers you are making yourselves the tools of murderers and traitors?"

"Now brother,"answered the soldier earnestly, "you don't understand. There are two classes, don't you see, the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. We..."

"Oh, I know that silly talk!" broke in the student rudely. "a bunch of ignorant peasants like you hear somebody bawling a few catch-words. You don't understand what they mean. You just echo them like a lot of parrots." The crowd laughed. "I'm a Marxian student. and I tell you that this isn't Socialism you are fighting for. It's just plain pro-German anarchy!"

"Oh, yes, I know," answered the soldier, with sweat dripping from his brow. "You are an educated man, that is easy to see, and I am only a simple man. But it seems to me..."

"I suppose," interrupted the other contemptuously, "that you believe Lenin is a real friend of the proletariat?"

"Yes, I do," answered the soldier, suffering.

"Well, my friend, do you know that Lenin was sent through Germany in a closed car? Do you know that Lenin took money from the Germans?"

"Well, I don't know much about that," answered the soldier stubbornly, "but it seems to me that what he says is what I want to hear, and all the simple men like me. Now there are two classes, the bourgeoisie and the proletariat..."

"You are a fool! Why, my friend, I spent two years in Schlusselburg for revolutionary activity, when you were still shooting down revolutionists and singing 'God Save the Tsar!' My name is Vasili Georgevitch Panyin. Didn't you ever hear of me?"

"I'm sorry to say I never did," answered the soldier with humility. "But then, I am not an educated man. You are probably a great hero."

"I am," said the student with conviction. "and I am opposed to the Bolsheviki, who are destroying our Russia, our free Revolution. Now how do you account for that?"

The soldier scratched his head. "I can't account for it at all," he said, grimacing with the pain of his intellectual processes. "To me it seems perfectly simple - but then, I'm not well educated. It seems like there are only two classes, the proletariat and the bourgeoisie ..."

"There you go again with your silly formula!" cried the student.

"and whoever isn't on one side is one the other..."











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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 07:56 AM
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55. There is certainly 'left' and 'right'
I agree that people in power whip up xenophobia and mob spirit in order to rally the public around their leaders. Nothing like an Enemy, real or imagined, to serve as a scapegoat for people's anger and fear and to make them rally loyally around the powerful people who exploit and bully them. Besides (and I think the importance of this aspect is often underestimated) - whipping up hate can be Big Business. The owners of the British tabloids and American talk-shows would go bankrupt if they couldn't whip up a 'daily hate' among a sufficient number of people.

However, this does not mean that the xenophobic Right are not dangerous, or that most of them could be readily persuaded that their resentment should be directed only at those who really are exploiting them. History also teaches us that some people (of all classes) are more likely than others to wish to harm those in a weaker position - whether weaker through poverty, physical weakness, or minority status. In other words, some people apply the principles of playground bullying to their political attitudes. The elitist right want the rich to crush the poor; the so-called 'populist' right want the middle class to crush the poor. Either way, they want the poor to be crushed. They also want minorities and foreigners to be crushed, though *which* minorities and foreigners are involved will depend on current social and political circumstances.

I do think that if economic circumstances were made more just and less oppressive there WOULD be less resentment ripe for the exploitation, and therefore a lot of the market for the hate-merchants's products would disappear. But not all of it.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 08:28 AM
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59. K & R!
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freedom fighter jh Donating Member (282 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 11:38 AM
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66. "Owners" is the right word.
The veneration of property rights above all other values is a major cause of the problem.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:02 PM
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67. But don't be confused...
It is because the Owners have all of the property that property is venerated.


The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e., the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force.
Karl Marx


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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 07:55 PM
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147. And few of the cheerleaders
For all things with a "D" stamped after the name even know that while Reed was penning his missive about the Soviet history, Mussolini had charmed the pants off the Left bank Parisian crowd of artists, writers and emerging film stars.

Ah, the more things change, the more they remain the same, n'est ce pas?
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:51 PM
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74. Thanks for this post SW.
I completely agree.

Divide & conquer.

Keep 'em poor and struggling and then pit them against each other. Keep 'em too busy fighting each other to see what is really right in front of their noses.

Separate. Divide. The other guy is "different" than you...he can't be as good as you are. Be afraid of him ...hate him.

How many hundreds (thousands) of years have "they" been at it? Now we are at a point where all this hate has its own terrible momentum. What can stop it?? Only thing I can come up with is truth....shine the light on those rats and watch 'em try to hide.

Problem is.....hatred has its own momentum and feeds on itself and on the fear it creates along the way.

What will it take to make humankind wake up and realize we are all in this together?? I shudder to think.



:hi:sw :loveya:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 08:12 PM
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151. Oh, my dear Desertrose! I'm absolutely giddy with happiness to see you on this thread!
"What will it take to make humankind wake up and realize we are all in this together?? I shudder to think."

I wish there were a way to know. Time and again I come back to Leonard Crow Dog's prophecy that "the earth will shake like a dog throwing off fleas..."

Maybe Mother Earth Herself will have the last word. She will either set us to rights, or we will succeed in destroying ourselves.

I've seen the looming trouble for so long, and there seems to be no remedy for it.

But I will take what blessings may come, which includes seeing you still here on DU. :hug:

:loveya:
sw
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 12:55 PM
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75. I couldn't agree more.
Thanks for the thread, scarletwoman. :thumbsup:
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:00 PM
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76. "They pit the lifers against the new boy . . .
Smokey James: They pit the lifers against the new boy and the young against the old. The black against the white. Everything they do is to keep us in our place.
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Green_Lantern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:01 PM
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77. I call bs on this....
My family owns and runs a business and pays union wages and union health benefits. Due to recession and lack of business hours have been cut back but that goes also for the ones running the business who've had to hold their paychecks as well.

The majority of small businesses aren't just fat cats making profit exploiting workers. They put a lot of work and effort into running their businesses.

They are working to make ends meet just like these oppressed people you talk about.

Also without business owners what's the plan for this 10% unemployment? I'm sorry but we progressives can't turn all business owners into the enemy.

There's a reason why unions in the US weren't corrupted by radical socialism like in European countries and that's due to our belief in ownership of property.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:17 PM
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81. and no one is discussing you, in the least.Updated at 11:04 PM
The only reason someone in your position would even consider thinking that they were being addressed is pride, hubris, and the desire to be something you will likely never be allowed to become.
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Green_Lantern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:39 PM
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86. or the fact she owners and
Didn't define what she meant by it. I take that as meaning property owners.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 09:07 PM
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176. You are one of the owned, just like us
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 09:07 PM by varelse
:hi:

No truly small business is a member of the "Owner's club". It's an elite bunch ;)
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 09:53 PM
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186. I Don't Think I Understand What He's Talking About Myself... Perhaps I Just
missed the point. Not trying to be sarcastic, just not getting it!

:shrug:
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:24 PM
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83. Who says you are one of 'the Owners'?
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 01:26 PM by Strelnikov_
Read Chapt. 8, 'The Machine Breakers' from 'The Iron Heel' by Jack London (1907).

The more things change, the more things stay the same.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 02:05 PM
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93. and no one is discussing you, in the least.Updated at 11:04 PM
That's pride fucking with you. You could only confuse yourself with the targets of the thread by pride, hubris, and/or a desire to be what you almost certainly will never be allowed to be.

Good on you for paying living wages and providing goods or services that people want or need but you are at most a bit player with your hands no where near the wheel. We are talking about a very small handful with the Lion's share of the resources and power not Joe Blow that runs an HVAC company or whatever.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 04:05 PM
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123. That's the problem with this site - y'all think you are "owners"Updated at 6:53 PM
and you all need to think through that and figure out where you really come down in this.
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (885 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 06:00 PM
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137. The OP isn't talking about business owners
or property owners.

What's with the "There's a reason why unions in the US weren't corrupted by radical socialism like in European countries and that's due to our belief in ownership of property".

Who told you Europeans don't believe in property ownership? Now that's Bullshit. :eyes:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 06:14 PM
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139. 'Corrupted by radical socialism like in Europaean countries'???
Are you referring to Eastern Europe under Soviet rule (which ended 20 years ago if you hadn't noticed!), or do you actually think that the unions in Europe in general are 'corrupted radical socialists'??????
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Feb-09-10 12:09 AM
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206. Maybe thinking
on a bigger scale would help. Is your family part of the top 1%? That's who I think of when I hear the word "owners"
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:02 PM
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78. yep. knr
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Initech (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:10 PM
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80. American politics in a nutshell:
"I like what the puppet on the left says."
"No the puppet on the right is more to my liking."
"Hey look! There's one guy holding up both puppets!"
"Shut up! Go back to bed America, your goverment is in control! Here, watch American Idol and get fat and stupid. Oh and keep eating Taco Bell you fucking morons!!!"
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:20 PM
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82. SW,
:yourock:
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earth mom (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:36 PM
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85. The powers that be have got us all where they want us-fighting over religion, abortion, gay rights
Edited on Mon Feb-08-10 01:36 PM by earth mom
taxes, health care, social issues, etc.,-all important topics yes-but not as important as our very fundamental rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that are being stolen from all of us while we fight over the details.

The powers that be know how to play the game and screw us all to the nth degree.

It's way past time to kick their asses.

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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:42 PM
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87. I think the OP approaches being correct but misses reality in a desire for simplicityUpdated at 11:04 PM
I think you miss the very real desire of the common folk of the right to some day be and lift up the same power brokers that are the core enemy.

I've talked to many a radical regressive that sees the game fairly clearly and want it played the way it has been. I think it is also approaching silly to think that the Reich wing movement isn't self selective, these folks are in many cases legit racists, homophobes, dominist, and sexist and their strongly held viewpoints lead directly to an environment that nurtures the nonsense the power brokers thrive in.

No question whatsoever that it would help mightily to be able to point to an actual alternative that puts the people first but there have ALWAYS been Torry minded fucks that are all about being walked on and believe they will be rewarded for their treachery, in this world, the next, or even despite any turn about.

At some point in time and space the greedy and soulless rose from some stock, I find it simplistic and pollyannaish to believe that some people inherently aren't pieces of shit just as it is simplistic and cynical to buy that "a tiger never changes it's stripes" thinking.

Willful ignorance is real as heart attack and it is just as dangerous to ignore it as it is to feed it. Knowledge is the cure for ignorance but you can't fix stupid or evil.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:48 PM
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88. The best way to thwart a "revolution" is to lead it. n/t
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:52 PM
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90. +100000000000
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 02:06 PM
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95. Except that every once in a while it backfires...
See: French Revolution
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 03:31 PM
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116. Yep. Dangerous game, "revolution". n/t
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Feb-08-10 01:52 PM
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91. In my estimation this fact is even more controversial for gr