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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 12:26 AM
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If Obama intends to protect working Americans, then why
Edited on Fri Jul-30-10 12:27 AM by MannyGoldstein
did he appoint Geithner to set up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?

Timmy's begun staffing the thing.

The fix is in: Checkmate! Bankers win, working Americans lose.

Holy fuck.
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   He doesn't that's why  TheKentuckian   Jul-30-10 12:30 AM   #1 
   well, you agree with the teabaggers that he's "gonna destroy murka..."  dionysus   Aug-02-10 10:44 AM   #39 
      yeah it's confussing, sometimes he has no cahunas, then  okieinpain   Aug-02-10 05:55 PM   #43 
   I'm thinking to piss you off, Manny.  gateley   Jul-30-10 12:32 AM   #2 
   Because its pragmatic.  VMI Dem   Jul-30-10 12:34 AM   #3 
   That is not pragmatic.  ThomCat   Jul-30-10 02:25 AM   #9 
   Because  ProSense   Jul-30-10 12:38 AM   #4 
   Do you see that in what you linked to?  MannyGoldstein   Jul-30-10 12:40 AM   #5 
   You're not supposed to actually read the blue links, silly.  Greyhound   Jul-30-10 01:14 PM   #16 
   Those blue links are just to  Autumn   Jul-31-10 11:23 AM   #30 
   More circular logic, Very good precious.  Greyhound   Jul-30-10 01:08 PM   #13 
   Wrong place  Greyhound   Jul-30-10 01:11 PM   #14 
   The statute determined that the Treasury Secretary would do so. nt  geek tragedy   Jul-30-10 12:46 AM   #6 
   link please?  MannyGoldstein   Jul-30-10 12:49 AM   #7 
   He didn't "appoint" him... the new FinReg law puts the bureau under the Treasury dept.  scheming daemons   Jul-30-10 01:42 AM   #8 
   Who do you think negotiated that this bureau would be there  ThomCat   Jul-30-10 02:27 AM   #10 
      Do you want it reporting to Ben Nelson  geek tragedy   Jul-30-10 01:18 PM   #17 
         Right.  ThomCat   Jul-30-10 09:22 PM   #20 
   The greatest heist in human history isn't over yet.  Swamp Rat   Jul-30-10 02:52 AM   #11 
   Not by a long shot.  Greyhound   Jul-30-10 01:13 PM   #15 
   That's right, the rich still need our Social Security  704wipes   Aug-02-10 12:44 AM   #38 
   He doesn't intend to help working Americans. nt  LWolf   Jul-30-10 01:03 PM   #12 
   Yes, I'm sure that's it. Not. nt  Hansel   Jul-31-10 05:11 PM   #36 
   Great Question.  bvar22   Jul-30-10 07:06 PM   #18 
   If it's all over but the crying, then why even bother posting aynmore?  Cali_Democrat   Jul-30-10 07:23 PM   #19 
   What an excellent question.  Hansel   Jul-31-10 05:22 PM   #37 
   Hatred of Geithner blinds people around here  treestar   Jul-30-10 09:25 PM   #21 
   Bailing out AIG counterparties at 100% using our cash  MannyGoldstein   Jul-30-10 10:39 PM   #22 
   ....was done before Geithner became treasurer. That was Paulson's doing...  scheming daemons   Jul-31-10 01:23 AM   #23 
   Paulson had zero to do with it  MannyGoldstein   Jul-31-10 07:41 AM   #27 
   I thought that was to keep them from collapsing, leading to a major  treestar   Jul-31-10 11:16 AM   #28 
      No.  MannyGoldstein   Jul-31-10 01:37 PM   #33 
         It did not go 100% to banker bonuses  treestar   Jul-31-10 03:27 PM   #34 
         Where did I say it did?  MannyGoldstein   Jul-31-10 03:54 PM   #35 
         manny, i'm afraid you really don't have any idea what you're going on about.  dionysus   Aug-02-10 10:46 AM   #40 
   If they could even point to a statement or two  BootinUp   Jul-31-10 01:50 AM   #25 
      I really do get from many DU posts that just working for a bank  treestar   Jul-31-10 11:18 AM   #29 
   That all you got?  BootinUp   Jul-31-10 01:40 AM   #24 
   Modus tollens  JVS   Jul-31-10 04:13 AM   #26 
   Sorry to be out of the loop but  JNelson6563   Jul-31-10 11:47 AM   #31 
   Tax cheat Timmy Geithner as SOT is boss of IRS! nuff said  golfguru   Jul-31-10 11:58 AM   #32 
   why? to gut it too.  nightrain   Aug-02-10 11:26 AM   #41 
   "If" being the operative word,  Barack2theFuture   Aug-02-10 01:27 PM   #42 
 
TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 12:30 AM
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1. He doesn't that's why
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Aug-02-10 10:44 AM
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39. well, you agree with the teabaggers that he's "gonna destroy murka..."
:eyes:
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Aug-02-10 05:55 PM
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43. yeah it's confussing, sometimes he has no cahunas, then
he's a evil mastermind out to destroy america. man has that ever happened to anyone else.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 12:32 AM
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2. I'm thinking to piss you off, Manny.
:evilgrin:
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 12:34 AM
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3. Because its pragmatic.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 02:25 AM
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9. That is not pragmatic.
There is nothing pragmatic about having a banker staff an organization that is supposed to protect consumers from bankers. :(


This is just as bad as when Bush would put a mining executive at the head of an organization that was supposed to regulate safety and regulatory compliance at mining companies. Yeah, we all know how well that has worked out. :(
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 12:38 AM
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4. Because
that's what he said he'd do?





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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 12:40 AM
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5. Do you see that in what you linked to?
Edited on Fri Jul-30-10 12:42 AM by MannyGoldstein
I sure as hell don't.

Please be specific.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 01:14 PM
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16. You're not supposed to actually read the blue links, silly.
:rofl:

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Autumn (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 11:23 AM
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30. Those blue links are just to
break up the emptiness of the post. Clicking on them doesn't make any sense. I clicked once and it went right back to one of their posts, which was nothing but their opinion. Please don't ask for specifics, it's hard enough as it is.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 01:08 PM
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13. More circular logic, Very good precious.
:rofl:

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 01:11 PM
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14. Wrong place
Edited on Fri Jul-30-10 01:14 PM by Greyhound
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 12:46 AM
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6. The statute determined that the Treasury Secretary would do so. nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 12:49 AM
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7. link please?
Thanks.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 01:42 AM
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8. He didn't "appoint" him... the new FinReg law puts the bureau under the Treasury dept.

Your tinfoil hat needs adjusting.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 02:27 AM
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10. Who do you think negotiated that this bureau would be there
instead of independent, reporting to Congress? :shrug:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 01:18 PM
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17. Do you want it reporting to Ben Nelson
and John Boehner and Joe Lieberman?
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 09:22 PM
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20. Right.
It would only be reporting to those three people. :eyes:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 02:52 AM
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11. The greatest heist in human history isn't over yet.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 01:13 PM
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15. Not by a long shot.
They've shoveled so much money upward that the bottleneck is the limit of their ability to scoop it up quickly enough.

We're seeing the end game.

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704wipes (844 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Aug-02-10 12:44 AM
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38. That's right, the rich still need our Social Security
nt
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 01:03 PM
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12. He doesn't intend to help working Americans. nt
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 05:11 PM
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36. Yes, I'm sure that's it. Not. nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 07:06 PM
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18. Great Question.
The answer, of course, is that Obama & the Centrist Democratic Party Leadership couldn't care less about Working Americans.
Nothing done in the first 18 months indicates that they do, beyond lip service trolling for votes, and dangling shiny crumbs like the Public Option to keep the low information voters fooled.

The day is approaching when the Working Class & the Poor, Democrats & Republicans, realize that WE have more in common with each other than we have in common with the Ruling Class in either Party.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 07:23 PM
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19. If it's all over but the crying, then why even bother posting aynmore?
It's hopeless.

We're doomed

Fuck it.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 05:22 PM
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37. What an excellent question.
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 05:23 PM by Hansel
Isn't it time to curl up into fetal position and rock?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 09:25 PM
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21. Hatred of Geithner blinds people around here
Your only argument is I hate Geithner, so anyone who hires him on hates the working, class, blah, blah, it's only about people here. Geithner can just carry out policies, please advise which of the President's policies that Geithner carries out prove he hates the working class, blah, blah.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 10:39 PM
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22. Bailing out AIG counterparties at 100% using our cash
While fighting the regulation of financial predators.

Geithner has consistently worked hard to help banks while harming working Americans.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 01:23 AM
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23. ....was done before Geithner became treasurer. That was Paulson's doing...
...but don't let the fact get in the way.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 07:41 AM
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27. Paulson had zero to do with it
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 07:41 AM by MannyGoldstein
Geithner bailed them out as President of the NY Federal Reserve.

Geithner is a predator to working Americans.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 11:16 AM
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28. I thought that was to keep them from collapsing, leading to a major
depression, but I guess that would hurt only the bankers and not the working class?

We are all connected to the banks, just wanting them all to fail is no defense of the working class, but rather a hope they suffer more intensely than they would have.

If you and Geithner don't agree about helping save the economy that's fine but let's give examples, and how Obama doesn't control Geithner.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 01:37 PM
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33. No.
AIG did not need to be bailed out 100% in order to save the banks. It needed to be bailed out 100% in order to save the banker bonuses.

Why do people think that either the bankers were bailed out 100%, or civilization would collapse? As Krugman has stated, we took the most expensive and crappy options to keep the financial system from failing. All of those options, however, favored the bankers against working Americans.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 03:27 PM
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34. It did not go 100% to banker bonuses
We are all ultimately connected to the operation of the banks. Every homeowner, for example. The irrational hatred of "bankers" does not blind everybody - that includes the working class.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 03:54 PM
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35. Where did I say it did?
But we spent far more than necessary in order to preserve record-high banker bonuses, which reached 1% of GDP last year - Geithner's 100-cents-on-the-dollar bailout of AIG counterparties is just one example. And, the bailouts included zero changes in regulation, and zero provisions to help non-bank businesses and consumers - which is why we're so achingly fucked now.

You seem to feel that the options were either:

- fully bail out banks including all bonuses with zero new regulations and zero provisions to help working Americans, or
- have the financial system collapse.

Do you not realize that there were plenty of other options that would have kept the financial system afloat?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Aug-02-10 10:46 AM
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40. manny, i'm afraid you really don't have any idea what you're going on about.
i know you wouldn't mind a global banking collapse in order to spite the "banksters" but jesus...

:rofl:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 01:50 AM
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25. If they could even point to a statement or two
where Geithner betrays the intent of the law or the purpose of government regulation in some way. But all there is against him is that he was in favor of stabilizing the financial system, and that he worked in the financial system.

Another point in Geithners favor is that apparently he was singing about the need to reverse deregulation before anyone else in government with similar high level positions.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 11:18 AM
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29. I really do get from many DU posts that just working for a bank
or insurance company is grounds for personal condemnation. Then of course there is the question of the job of Treasury Secretary going to someone who knows nothing about finance but what they pound out on DU on a keyboard, since those are the only people pure enough not to be tainted with any experience in the field.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 01:40 AM
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24. That all you got?
I'll just suggest something totally outrageous. Maybe Geithner will set it up according to the parameters his boss and the law has set in place instead of making up rules.

There is far too much this guy or that guy is just BAD and EVIL I just KNOW IT bullshit. Take a vacation from your fears on this one, thats my advice.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 04:13 AM
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26. Modus tollens
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31. Sorry to be out of the loop but
who is getting appointed?

Julie
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32. Tax cheat Timmy Geithner as SOT is boss of IRS! nuff said
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41. why? to gut it too.
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42. "If" being the operative word,
since, of course, he does not.
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