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Does anyone have data to confirm that doctors are not quitting as suggested?

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 10:19 PM
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Does anyone have data to confirm that doctors are not quitting as suggested?
I've google and can't find anything. All I have found are claims that 45% would quit if HCR was passed.

I want to be ready to shoot down anyone in my area when they make the claim. I want to confirm that there isn't any data to support their claims.
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   Any doctor that stupid should not be allowed to practice medicine.  tridim   Jul-30-10 10:21 PM   #1 
   In this economy what else would they do, be greeters at Wally World?  DJ13   Jul-30-10 10:22 PM   #2 
   That is what I expect especially since we got a nut Republican  LiberalFighter   Jul-30-10 10:24 PM   #4 
   HCR passed  merh   Jul-30-10 10:22 PM   #3 
   I sure never have heard of any docs quiting because of that.  napi21   Jul-30-10 10:39 PM   #5 
   Just ask them if their doctor quit  EC   Jul-30-10 11:03 PM   #6 
   Don't know about doctors, but for the first time in decades,  golfguru   Jul-31-10 12:19 AM   #7 
   They always threaten this - they did the same if insurance Tort Reform  old mark   Jul-31-10 07:49 AM   #8 
   That was just one of the many absurd claims the RW was pushing..  DCBob   Jul-31-10 07:58 AM   #9 
   All of my doctors are still there! nt  CBR   Jul-31-10 08:01 AM   #10 
   No specific data, just what I have experienced. My doctor  Safetykitten   Jul-31-10 10:49 AM   #11 
   I don't think the part of HCR that would have really impacted you is actually in place yet.  Hansel   Jul-31-10 04:17 PM   #14 
   I am glad you can "wait it out". There are no previous "in place" plans.  Safetykitten   Jul-31-10 06:23 PM   #17 
      Safetykitten, you are right.  Mimosa   Aug-01-10 06:37 AM   #23 
   Your story is the result of insurance companies screwing people  LiberalFighter   Jul-31-10 04:18 PM   #15 
      How odd. That's what he told me. His reason is this HCR fiasco.  Safetykitten   Jul-31-10 06:24 PM   #18 
         An insurance company refused to pay for antibiotics and it's the new HCR bill?  SharonAnn   Jul-31-10 11:23 PM   #20 
         No, he told me that as an example of what is happening now.  Safetykitten   Aug-01-10 09:29 PM   #26 
         I call bullshit.  Telly Savalas   Aug-01-10 08:59 AM   #25 
   Number of docs in my community has increased slightly at least  quiller4   Jul-31-10 03:58 PM   #12 
   None of the doctors for anyone in my family have quit.  Hansel   Jul-31-10 04:03 PM   #13 
   The Right always throw extreme scare tactics whenever they don't get their way.  bulloney   Jul-31-10 04:41 PM   #16 
   None of our doctors quit.  Naturyl   Jul-31-10 07:57 PM   #19 
   Nope, and proving the negative won't be easy.  elleng   Jul-31-10 11:36 PM   #21 
   I think their bluff was called....they are not going to quit..nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-31-10 11:38 PM   #22 
   There's no data to prove or disprove it. If it were really happening ..............  Exilednight   Aug-01-10 08:50 AM   #24 
 
tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 10:21 PM
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1. Any doctor that stupid should not be allowed to practice medicine.
None of them will quit, it was a typical BS RW talking point.
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 10:22 PM
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2. In this economy what else would they do, be greeters at Wally World?
I bet it was just another in a long line of conservative lies.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 10:24 PM
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4. That is what I expect especially since we got a nut Republican
that was telling others at a meeting his doctor was telling him.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 10:22 PM
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3. HCR passed
since they haven't quit (or "they" haven't updated the meme) it would appear that the 45% claim was an exaggeration - a scare tactic.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 10:39 PM
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5. I sure never have heard of any docs quiting because of that.
several patients if the rates were lowered, and quite a few obgyn's who quit because of too many law suits, mostly frivolous, but nothing that I know of in the HC law would cause any of them to quit. The restrictions are all on the insurance co's not the docs.

The docs that I dislike are those ho drop their profession to become a politician! I admit, I really like Dean, but I still question why he gave up his practice to become what he is. All the docs I know LOVE what they do and although money is important, their profession is much more important to them.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul-30-10 11:03 PM
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6. Just ask them if their doctor quit
since that's all that should concern them.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 12:19 AM
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7. Don't know about doctors, but for the first time in decades,
hundreds of employees from the biggest hospital in town were laid off
last month.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 07:49 AM
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8. They always threaten this - they did the same if insurance Tort ReformUpdated at 10:43 AM
limiting malpractice lawsuits was not passed here in PA...It was bullshit then and it is bullshit now.

FWIW, over the last 10 years, I have been put in danger of death at least 4 times by doctors, either by complete misdiagnosis of by contracting a staph infection near my heart on a pacemaker. I was also advised that I could not sue them, just recently found out I probably could have, but there is a statute of limitations that has expired...

Doctors WILL CERTAINLY LIE to protect their income and lifestyle level and privilege of their group...


mark
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 07:58 AM
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9. That was just one of the many absurd claims the RW was pushing..
along with "death panels".
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 08:01 AM
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10. All of my doctors are still there! nt
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Safetykitten (154 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 10:49 AM
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11. No specific data, just what I have experienced. My doctor
Is leaving the field. A fantastic doctor and compassionate guy. On my last visit to him, which he said that I could pay for in installments, he said that he was getting ready to leave and was formulating what to do. He told me a story of what he went through with one elderly woman over an antibiotic pill that insurance would not pay for which turned into a hospital stay.

This healthcare nightmare is just beginning, snd the effects are happining now. I have not had insurance for three years. I went to the HRP government site, and after going through it called to get more information. "Did I have a rejection of insurance letter?" Yes from some time ago, but that was too old, I needed a recent one. The friendly guy suggested I apply again and send the letter in with my application. I called BC/BS. The chirpy salesperson asked "Do you go to the doctor alot, or have pre-exsiting conditions?"

Seriously, she asked if I went "alot". She said that frequent doctor visits are a way they can tell my situation. I told her I have slightly high blood pressure and am Diabetic. She said I would not be insured. "For ANY price", I asked. "Yes. You will never be covered, so you need a rejection letter?"she asked. I told I did and she said that I can apply online and get the rejection letter in a week.

So there you have it, the begining of the herd culling. The chutes are in place for all of us. The worthy and young, the unworthy and high risk. The end result a never ending supply of revenue from young no claim making people, and as they get older, they get shunted out from price increases or other ploys so they can be sent to the expanding HRP. It's now very clear and fropm the BC/BS person now that the HCR is in place they can be exacting and quick in denials.

This was NEVER going to work. All the people who have insurance, if they are so enamored of this piece of crap as HCR, then they should drop and give the no insurance for life a try.

My application is in, and I will find out if I am accepted. 495 for monthly premiums with a 2,500 deductable.

This horror show of a health care "reform" will be coming to more of you in the years to come. Don't say you were not warned.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 04:17 PM
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14. I don't think the part of HCR that would have really impacted you is actually in place yet.
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 04:17 PM by Hansel
It doesn't go into place for several more years because it is going to take time to set it up.

You're still dealing with the state programs that were in place even before HCR. If HCR has any impact on them at this time it is minimal.

I will reserve judgment until the bill is actually in place. I'm truly not anticipating a "horror show", but I do anticipate that getting coverage for the unemployed or underemployed or self employed will continue to suck, just like it was going to anyway, until it is in place in 2014.

I'm sorry for your situation but blaming HCR for it is premature. Blame greed and lack of regulation and tax cut mania and citizens who don't give a sh*t about what their fellow citizens have to go through.
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Safetykitten (154 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 06:23 PM
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17. I am glad you can "wait it out". There are no previous "in place" plans.
The federal government is doing it. The HCR plan is to blame. It will continue to be the blame.

Just so you know also:

Ages 0 to 34: $323

Ages 35 to 44: $387

Ages 45 to 54: $495

Ages 55+: $688

In addition to your monthly premium, you will pay other costs. You will pay a $2,500 deductible for covered benefits (except for preventive services) before the plan starts to pay. After you pay the deductible, you will pay a $25 copayment for doctor visits, $4 to $30 for most prescription drugs, and 20% of the costs of any other covered benefits you get. Your out-of-pocket costs cannot be more than $5,950 per year. These costs may be higher, if you go outside the plan’s network.

Sorry for the situation is not going to cut it. You should be sorry you supported this nightmare when people like me told you this would happen.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-01-10 06:37 AM
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23. Safetykitten, you are right.
We needed Medicare for all.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 04:18 PM
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15. Your story is the result of insurance companies screwing people
and the reason your doctor is getting out. Not the HCR.
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Safetykitten (154 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 06:24 PM
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18. How odd. That's what he told me. His reason is this HCR fiasco.
Oh, and he's a Democrat.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 11:23 PM
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20. An insurance company refused to pay for antibiotics and it's the new HCR bill?
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Safetykitten (154 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-01-10 09:29 PM
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26. No, he told me that as an example of what is happening now.
For the non-approval of the elderly patient to get an antibiotic not approved in pill form, she was taken from the extended care center and put back in the hospital and then the hilarity ensued.

He said it was an example of what crazy shit is going on now. He expected things to get worse. And to other that post that no one is leaving now, would you jst pack up and go without a plan? Would you just stop within a month and go do something else? He said he was formulating his exit plan and was leaving the field SPECIFICALLY becuase of the HCR nightmare coming in incremental steps. His plan was to be out before 2014.

So there is your one doctor leaving. Sorry, I do not do the statistics, but that's one doctor. My doctor.
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Aug-01-10 08:59 AM
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25. I call bullshit.
Cite the specific provisions of the bill which will undermine his ability to conduct his practice.
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 03:58 PM
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12. Number of docs in my community has increased slightly at least
as measured by an increase in membership in the local medical society. Franciscan Health Services and Multicare, the two healthcare organizations that operate the six hospitals in my community, are all hiring with openings for RNs and several other medical specialties. The military hospital in my community has also added staff and has job openings posted on the registry.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 04:03 PM
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13. None of the doctors for anyone in my family have quit.
Not a one. Nor do I know anyone whose doctor has quit. Seem like if almost 1/2 of all doctors were quitting I would at least know of one.

We all belong to a health care coop though so maybe they aren't stupid.
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bulloney (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 04:41 PM
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16. The Right always throw extreme scare tactics whenever they don't get their way.
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 04:42 PM by bulloney
Several years ago in Ohio, Repubs attempted to reform workers compensation. They said if the reform is not approved by the voters, employers will leave the state in droves. One of the biggest RWers in the Voinovich Administration used that tactic several times at functions held by my employer. I asked the guy to give me names of these employers who told him they'd leave if reform failed. He wouldn't do it.

He was bluffing. The proposal failed and there was no mass exodus of employers attributed to the proposal's failure.

I heard the same thing on HCR from my SIL who works for our local county health department. I'm still waiting for the news of the massive layoffs in her department now that HCR passed.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 07:57 PM
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19. None of our doctors quit.
But why would they, anyway? The claim is utter BS.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jul-31-10 11:36 PM
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21. Nope, and proving the negative won't be easy.
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22. I think their bluff was called....they are not going to quit..nt
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24. There's no data to prove or disprove it. If it were really happening ..............
the media would be all over it.

Were there probably a small handful who quit out of principal? Probably, but then I am not sure I would want one of those doctors taking care of me if their main motive was profits. I would hate to know that my doctor is making me get an x-ray I don't need so he could bolster his 401k.
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