giving kudos to the Detroit police.

Confusing.

Gun use is often defended on its defensive value. This looks like defensive and unintended use are about equal.

several members to pack as a "security" measure. Up until the mass church shooting this fall in Texas, one was a lot more likely to be shot accidentally at church by a 'protection' minded congregant and in fact in the aftermath of the Texas massacre, two people were accidentally shot by a packing congregant - himself and his wife, passing the pistol around, showing it off.

Those chart only lists cases where a person got shot.

Most defensive uses of a gun don’t result in a person being shot, the mere presence of a firearm usually changes the dynamic enough to end the assault, attack or danger.

But those cases don’t end up on charts like this, so people use that misleading statistic from only counting cases of self defense that result in injury or death to claim self defense cases are far less common than they really areZ

They killed a 100 lb Asian teen holding a very dangerous pen. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tommy-le-police-killing-pen-graduation_us_59567959e4b0da2c73232689

And they killed a drunk white dad crawling on his knees with no weapon. I was hoping the white lives matter folks would say something about Daniel Shaver's shooting.

There's still hope that that Somali-American cop who murdered the white Australian woman in Minneapolis would face justice. I asked an Australian who told me that it is NOT actually customary to go outside and meet the police in their car in Australia. But they are significantly less likely to shoot people in that country with their strict gun control laws.

And they should leave their guns -- all of them -- in the trunk unless there's a damn good reason to haul them out.

And there's seldom a good reason.

But only when explicitly required. And/or, some cops can be armed with firearms, while others are armed with irritant spray and batons.

I mean, really seriously proposing that cops shouldn't carry guns?

And still manage to keep the peace. The vast majority of police-citizen interactions don't require firearms, and the presence of firearms in police-citizen interactions leads to a lot of dead citizens.

were given memorials on several shows this weekend on MSNBC. I found it difficult to watch since they didn't mention the people killed by police.

people get the impression that these things are isolated, rare occurances when these numbers jumoed this year from last.

Only the number of folks killed by police is that there's zero context regarding each shooting. Some are certainly justified (for instance, the guy in CO yesterday who shot 6 cops) while others aren't. Easy to lose the forest for the trees.

"Death to America", and literally caring out the threat, is the Gun, the gun factory owners and their propaganda arm, Fox and NRA.

It is a dangerous country because of the Gun. 2017 ended with a Bang and looks like starting the same way..see NJ semi-auto Gun tragedy.

tipping point to make an effective gun control regime possible in this country. Its not a 2nd amendment issue, its both a public safety and public health issue.

California has started this week with several common sense moves to get guns guns out of the hands of those not with the personal responsibility needed to even own a hunting rifle locked in a gun safe, including some that will take Ar-15's and their ilk out of the hands of people that other people around them know are nuts.

But a 99.991% rate isn't too bad, especially if the majority of the armed victims who were shot tried to kill the officer first.
I really don't expect the police to passively get shot to death. ymmv

What were you thinking? 😉

Cop pulls you over and you have a warrant and you try to shoot it out and get killed by return fire.

Who's breaking the eggs in that scenario?

All goddam day.