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Rustynaerduwell

(665 posts)
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 10:20 AM Jan 2018

Does anyone doubt that some prominent Republicans are being blackmailed.

If you have dirt on someone you can do one of two things with it. Make it public to hurt someone, or hold onto it to control someone. The Russians hacked Democrats AND Republicans. They made public what they found on the Dems. They're holding what they got from the Repubs. What do you think they're doing with the dirt they have?

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Does anyone doubt that some prominent Republicans are being blackmailed. (Original Post) Rustynaerduwell Jan 2018 OP
Could be. Its a cheaper quicker way.... Orange Free State Jan 2018 #1
and some not so prominent Republicons are being blackmailed WhiteTara Jan 2018 #2
Sharing juicy tidbits with DOTUS on an as-needed basis. tanyev Jan 2018 #3
I do. Bleacher Creature Jan 2018 #4
EXACTLY !! kacekwl Jan 2018 #5
+1 onenote Jan 2018 #28
Exactly. Don't need no stinkin' comprat for repubs to do the wong thing. Merlot Jan 2018 #29
Why can't both options be true? 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2018 #37
They absolutely both can be true, but the simpler answer is that they're just monsters. Bleacher Creature Jan 2018 #40
GOPropaganda is their methodology lunatica Jan 2018 #45
Most of the PAC money comes from Russia uponit7771 Jan 2018 #6
Filling their coffers with lots of cash seems the preferred method of corruption. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #7
that's the side effects of the Russian collusion / money laundering investigation azureblue Jan 2018 #14
Leaving office will only make it easier for Mueller to avebury Jan 2018 #15
yep ProfessorPlum Jan 2018 #8
YEP mgardener Jan 2018 #23
Do you think that's why so many are not seeking reelection? ecstatic Jan 2018 #9
Grassley, Graham and Cruz all hate Trump. And yet they are standing in line to kiss his bum. OregonBlue Jan 2018 #11
Orrin Hatch. He went from hating trump to pronouncing he may be the greatest notdarkyet Jan 2018 #16
Cruz, Graham and Corker Scarsdale Jan 2018 #33
That would explain why they gave themselves lunatica Jan 2018 #49
It couldn't be more obvious njhoneybadger Jan 2018 #10
Frankly, I think a few of them are willfully complicit...no blackmail required. Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #12
frankly i think they all are willfully complicit unblock Jan 2018 #13
Yup! Botany Jan 2018 #17
McConnell announced no SCOTUS replacement on February 13, about an hour after Scalia confirmed dead Justice Jan 2018 #20
Maybe the Russians were involved earlier than February 2016? Baitball Blogger Jan 2018 #25
They were inside the DNC as early as 2015 JonLP24 Jan 2018 #57
(post withdrawn) Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #46
I think quite a few of them are complicit. dchill Jan 2018 #44
Lets call it GOPropaganda lunatica Jan 2018 #50
I guess not? Orsino Jan 2018 #18
That is the only reason I can think of that they Bettie Jan 2018 #19
Point also made by several that Trump is very useful pawn to GOP advancing its agenda Justice Jan 2018 #21
my thoughts are blackmail is the ONLY bluestarone Jan 2018 #22
I think theyre actually in cahoots with Putin lunatica Jan 2018 #52
The RepubliCONs have SELF-BLACKMAILED. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #55
I'm not sure it's all secretive. Baitball Blogger Jan 2018 #24
THIS. volstork Jan 2018 #26
They are complicit in the treason committed by trump liberal N proud Jan 2018 #27
Here's a fun (though admittedly absurd) idea: Orrex Jan 2018 #30
Not absurd at all RandomAccess Jan 2018 #35
It is likely also true for some Dems... BadGimp Jan 2018 #31
Please don't "just say". . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #47
Do you have any particular Democrats in mind lunatica Jan 2018 #53
Been saying it for a long time. nt Ferrets are Cool Jan 2018 #32
Graham's conversion sealed it for me BannonsLiver Jan 2018 #34
You mean in a Faux News/Bill O'Reilly/Roger Ailes kind of way? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #36
i don't doubt it. barbtries Jan 2018 #38
Lindsey Graham is. Very obvious dbackjon Jan 2018 #39
I'd venture a guess that McCain has been on the take for decades. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2018 #42
Im guessing it goes back to his involvement in the Keating S&L scandal from the 90s. LonePirate Jan 2018 #54
He did hand the Steele Dossier to James Comey JonLP24 Jan 2018 #58
Trumpy has dirt on Orrin Hatch. That's why Orrin sounded like he's senile when he was Eyeball_Kid Jan 2018 #41
Watching the swearing in ceremony for new Senators start Enoki33 Jan 2018 #43
No, I don't doubt it and . . . peggysue2 Jan 2018 #48
The Steele dissier says the Russians gave Trump dirt to use against his tblue37 Jan 2018 #51
I think it's pretty obvious that he's at least blackmailing Lindsey Graham Ghost Owl Jan 2018 #56
What they "Had" on Democrats was actually pretty lame ThoughtCriminal Jan 2018 #59
Since I have no evidence one way or the other, I have no reason to believe they are... brooklynite Jan 2018 #60
People who solicit bribes Progressive dog Jan 2018 #61

WhiteTara

(29,736 posts)
2. and some not so prominent Republicons are being blackmailed
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 10:33 AM
Jan 2018

and now they are becoming prominent for trying to stop the investigations that will prove they are in deep with a foreign adversary. This is going to be a big year. The spiral gyre is tightening and the center can not hold.

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Bleacher Creature

(11,258 posts)
4. I do.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 10:40 AM
Jan 2018

I think they're just horrible people who are happy to go along with Trump if it helps to advance their legislative agenda.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,104 posts)
37. Why can't both options be true?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 12:43 PM
Jan 2018

They are horrible Trump asskissers because they're all venal, self serving, heartless bigots, but they'd also rather it not be known that Russia knows their secrets.

Bleacher Creature

(11,258 posts)
40. They absolutely both can be true, but the simpler answer is that they're just monsters.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 12:59 PM
Jan 2018

That's just my guess, which is based on nothing more than a hunch.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
45. GOPropaganda is their methodology
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jan 2018

It’s possible that more than being blackmailed, many Republicans have been willingly working with the Russians so they can benefit personally, be it politically or financially.

azureblue

(2,158 posts)
14. that's the side effects of the Russian collusion / money laundering investigation
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:22 AM
Jan 2018

They know their shady dealings, taking bribes, and corruption will be exposed, so they are on a mission to grab as much money as they can before they leave office and go into hiding. They seem to think that being out of office will shield them - oops.... It'll make it worse....

avebury

(10,953 posts)
15. Leaving office will only make it easier for Mueller to
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:30 AM
Jan 2018

try any of them should he find criminal activity. They will no longer have the protection of being in office.

mgardener

(1,825 posts)
23. YEP
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:42 AM
Jan 2018

And they are all falling nicely in line too!
Email or call your republican congress person/ senator daily if you are unlucky enough to be represented by. And encourage friends and relatives to do the same.

ecstatic

(32,786 posts)
9. Do you think that's why so many are not seeking reelection?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 10:58 AM
Jan 2018

The dirt must be pretty bad to commit treason. Maybe the dirt is on some of their kids or family members, making it a little bit harder to say "fuck off!" The whole thing is mind boggling. SMH

OregonBlue

(7,756 posts)
11. Grassley, Graham and Cruz all hate Trump. And yet they are standing in line to kiss his bum.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:09 AM
Jan 2018

Either they got lots of money from the Russia collaboration or the KGB arm of the GOP has some really bad tape of them or their family.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
16. Orrin Hatch. He went from hating trump to pronouncing he may be the greatest
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jan 2018

President ever”. Bye hatch, FH.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
33. Cruz, Graham and Corker
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jan 2018

were openly critical of tRump. Rand Paul, too. Then they went golfing with tRump, and now they love him. Corker entered office deeply in debt. Now he is the 4th richest person there. How did he gain so much wealth?? Vlad knows!! Remember Corker called the WH an "adult day care center" Now he is a fan. YES, blackmail is behind this. Nunes is in business with Russians financing a vineyard in California. He supposedly has all his money tied up in it, so he does not want the investigation to continue. They are all protecting themselves. Can't wait for Mueller to blow the lid off the whole slimy group.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
49. That would explain why they gave themselves
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:23 PM
Jan 2018

a permanent tax cut wouldn’t it? Why continue to run for office after getting what they came for? It’s not like they’re in it to serve their country when everything they do is obviously self serving.

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
10. It couldn't be more obvious
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:08 AM
Jan 2018

Putin has the Republican Party compromised with email hacks, shady campaign donations and who knows what else. (Sexcapades)

Wounded Bear

(58,788 posts)
12. Frankly, I think a few of them are willfully complicit...no blackmail required.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:10 AM
Jan 2018

We just need to sort out which.

unblock

(52,496 posts)
13. frankly i think they all are willfully complicit
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:14 AM
Jan 2018

the kompromat is just added insurance.

they don't need to be blackmailed to understand that they have no future in the republican party unless they fall in line.


the only thing blackmail keeps them from doing is retiring (and possibly writing a tell-all).

Botany

(70,653 posts)
17. Yup!
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jan 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210040820

Here are more dots to connect. Papadopoulos’ guilty plea states that he first learned about Russia’s willingness to help rig the election on March 14th of 2016. Two days later, key Senate Republican John Cornyn announced that he intended to block the Merrick Garland nomination.

Baitball Blogger

(46,779 posts)
25. Maybe the Russians were involved earlier than February 2016?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:50 AM
Jan 2018

Papadopholous is just the first known contact with the Russians.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
18. I guess not?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:36 AM
Jan 2018

I can explain the conduct of GOP leaders as party loyalty plus susceptibility to bribes, without need for alleged blackmail.

But I'm sure you're right about at least some, and we should probably be prepared for revelations that a few Dems are also compromised.

Bettie

(16,149 posts)
19. That is the only reason I can think of that they
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:37 AM
Jan 2018

are so very obsequious with him....the public displays of adoration are nauseating, probably even to them.

Justice

(7,188 posts)
21. Point also made by several that Trump is very useful pawn to GOP advancing its agenda
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:41 AM
Jan 2018

For some, the fawning over Trump is just to make him think he made it happen, when GOP Congress really wanted it to happen.

bluestarone

(17,126 posts)
22. my thoughts are blackmail is the ONLY
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:41 AM
Jan 2018

reasonable explanation for how the BIG POWERFUL REPUBS are owned by Russia!! The rest just follow suit. They have no idea whats in these bills they are voting yes on, voting yes just because they are supporting there constituents!!!!!!!!!!!!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
52. I think theyre actually in cahoots with Putin
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:41 PM
Jan 2018

And maybe for far longer than Trump has been. It’s gotten pretty obvious that they were in it to get very rich and nothing else. Now that they’ve given themselves permanent tax cuts their work is done. The news that some prominent Republicans are beginning to say they’re not running again shows they’ve gotten what they always wanted. Trumpaganda is just the finishing touch. The last push that got them to their goal.

It isn’t Communism any more than it is for Russia and Putin. It’s full blown Oligarchy.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,073 posts)
55. The RepubliCONs have SELF-BLACKMAILED.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 02:38 PM
Jan 2018

The leadership sold their souls to the Russians for power. That move cast their fate and now they have to play it; they have cover up, delay, denigrate, shove down, discredit, obfuscate, counter-attack.

Above all, they have to constantly be looking over their shoulder, watching out for back-stabbers or the stray ball from left field coming right at them.

Baitball Blogger

(46,779 posts)
24. I'm not sure it's all secretive.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:46 AM
Jan 2018

I think whatever Trump's people had on Orrin Hatch must be known in the news circles. That's probably why his paper hit him with assurance and aplomb.

liberal N proud

(60,352 posts)
27. They are complicit in the treason committed by trump
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:52 AM
Jan 2018

I believe some are on the take from Russia while others are power hungry.

Orrex

(63,282 posts)
30. Here's a fun (though admittedly absurd) idea:
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:57 AM
Jan 2018

What if Russia gave Trump career-ending dirt on key Republicans, and the Republicans know it?

Pure self-interest would prevent them from acting against him.

Two main problems:

1. Trump is an idiot with no impulse control, so he would already have revealed any dirt that he has on them.

2. Putin wouldn't trust Trump with that info because Trump is too stupid to use it effectively.


Still, it's always fun to speculate...

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
35. Not absurd at all
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 12:27 PM
Jan 2018

In fact, that's the version I think is most likely.

Plus, they don't even need to have given Trump anything. All that's needed here is the realization that Trump could GET some info on them from Russia.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
53. Do you have any particular Democrats in mind
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:45 PM
Jan 2018

Or is this just false equivelancy in an effort to be “fair and balanced”?

BannonsLiver

(16,548 posts)
34. Graham's conversion sealed it for me
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 12:25 PM
Jan 2018

Like many here, I've felt (known) Lindsey Graham is gay for years. I think someone got to him and has threatened to make him the first outwardly gay republican senator if he doesnt back trump. its really the only way to explain his sudden conversion.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
36. You mean in a Faux News/Bill O'Reilly/Roger Ailes kind of way?
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 12:29 PM
Jan 2018

Lots and lots of money paid out in exchange for silence?

Oh, yes.

Which explains the silence.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,440 posts)
42. I'd venture a guess that McCain has been on the take for decades.
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jan 2018

It's interesting how McCain does it. He sounds the call in the canyon as if he's the Lone Ranger, then he turns tail and buckles in to the demands of Big Money. He's done this throughout his career. It's as if McCain is always hanging out a poster asking for more corporate money, and when he gets an offer, the game is on and he sings the tune of his donors.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
58. He did hand the Steele Dossier to James Comey
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 03:19 PM
Jan 2018

He is probably the only one I can rule out but not when it comes to other kinds of corruption.

Shortly after the presidential election, Senator John McCain, who had been informed about the alleged links between Kremlin and Trump, met with former British ambassador to Moscow Sir Andrew Wood. Wood confirmed the existence of the dossier and vouched for Steele's "professionalism and integrity".[35] McCain obtained the dossier from David J. Kramer and took it directly to FBI director James Comey on December 9, 2016.[28][27]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump–Russia_dossier

Eyeball_Kid

(7,440 posts)
41. Trumpy has dirt on Orrin Hatch. That's why Orrin sounded like he's senile when he was
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:00 PM
Jan 2018

licking Trumpy's navel. Orrin kissed Trumpy, then announced his resignation. In that order. How else would the two events be connected? Orrin wanted to resign with all of his dignity intact. That was the deal. Kiss Trumpy in public and THEN, resign.

Enoki33

(1,589 posts)
43. Watching the swearing in ceremony for new Senators start
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jan 2018

with a solemn oath to protect the constitution, and knowing the actions of some members of the GOP who are watching makes me sick. Wonder what feeble excuses they tell themselves that enables them to Look in a mirror? Is blackmail the only reason? Wish one day for the answers.

peggysue2

(10,852 posts)
48. No, I don't doubt it and . . .
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:22 PM
Jan 2018

I think the Trumpster is in on the game--pledge loyalty or end up roasted in the press, have your reputation and life ruined. Intimidation has always been a Trump strong suit, the mark of the bully-boy. Lindsey Graham's sudden conversion to Trump-buddy has been pretty remarkable. Even Corker has stepped back from his previous attacks and he's on his way out.

That performance after the tax bill passage was positively gagging. How grown men could grovel in public like that was beyond belief. Why? I think in the end, we're going to find out that the entire Republican Party sold their souls for dollars, allowed their coffers to slosh with dark money. Rumor has it that Preibus and Ryan were caught on tape consenting to Russian funding at the Republican convention. Others were picked up incidentally by intelligence communities both here and abroad in conversations with Russian handlers. Story is that that's why Nunes has acted so erratically--he knows his goose is cooked and has attempted to stall the investigations and mitigate the damage. Bannon is now out bashing Don Jr--he'll be cracked like an egg--calling the meeting at Trump Tower treasonous and unpatriotic.

The rats are scurrying for the exits, any exit.

Once the evidence rolls out, I suspect we'll be shocked by the number of people involved and/or compromised. Sadly, I suspect the investigation will implicate some Dems and their money supporters as well. It's a mess with national and international implications, nasty, nasty mob ties and all the bottom-feeding activity that entails. With the latest story on Fusion GPS, we now know that Republican leadership knew how dirty Trump was/is, and then basically ignored it. Why? Money, power and the fear of implication/prosecution is my bet. They were willing to take the money; they just didn't want to get caught.

In the end, it always comes back to follow the money. In this case, the path appears to lead straight into the sewer. Ugh!

tblue37

(65,550 posts)
51. The Steele dissier says the Russians gave Trump dirt to use against his
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:27 PM
Jan 2018

opponents. Of course he has dirt on them.

Ghost Owl

(59 posts)
56. I think it's pretty obvious that he's at least blackmailing Lindsey Graham
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jan 2018

who literally went from Trump Critic to Trump Fanboy in the space of an afternoon.

Lindsey's a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. I don't think there's anything Trump could have bribed him with that he'd be foolish enough to accept (he's already got money and power on his own), because he knows Trump is a fickle master. No position in the Cabinet would be as secure as the Senate seat he has now. I also think if he was licking Trump's boots voluntarily, he'd be doing a much better job, he can be very charming and silver-tongued when he wants to be. But he's been awkward and obvious and flailing in his fanboy bullshit.

I don't know what he could be blackmailing Graham with, other than proof that he's gay (which if true, is very sad that Graham would sell his soul to hide that fact, that his social conditioning as a young gay kid in the Deep South can still fuck him up in this day and age, where you don't always have to suppress your queerness to survive, that he was never able to get over that hurdle that a lot of elder gays are faced with, getting over that bone-deep survival instinct of keeping it quiet at all cost). I don't even think it's just the few hundred thousand dollars he got from Russia through a PAC by itself would be enough (they would have to show Lindsey was corrupted by it, promised favors or something). And also because if that alone takes Lindsey down, like half of the Republican Senators would go down with him. I don't think Trump wants to punish anyone for any Russian anything, lest the focus be drawn back on him.

Graham's emails were hacked, and during one of the hearings with Brooker, there was a weird exchange between Brooker and Graham about possibly recorded conversations between him and a foreign person which Graham seemed very concerned about falling into the administrations hands, and Brooker was like "As a career intelligence official, I don't think you should be concerned", and he seemed genuinely perplexed about why Graham was making such a big stinking deal about it, which...could mean he know the conversation in question, but doesn't think its a matter of national security, because it was personal.

I would HOPE that Graham would just be letting Trump *think* he's blackmailing him, while all the while playing Mueller's inside man, gathering evidence of his corruption. I would HOPE that, but I have no reason to believe that's what is happening.

brooklynite

(94,985 posts)
60. Since I have no evidence one way or the other, I have no reason to believe they are...
Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:42 PM
Jan 2018

...ask yourself a simple question: how would their behavior be different if they weren't being blackmailed?

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