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UTUSN

(70,788 posts)
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 12:29 PM Jan 2018

A different emphasis on yesterday's NYT obstruction news - just being a little wary,not DebbieDowner

While I was ecstatic with yesterday's Rachel's headlining that SCHMIDT reported MUELLER has verified COMEY's version of red flags before TWITLER's firing him, in reading the article, I was struck uncomfortably by the paragraphs below, which didn't get much attention. The amount of evidence for obstruction was downplayed, the difficulty of proving was up-played, and a different hypothetical scenario was preferred for success.

I bolded these phrases below, but am also noting the in-between words not bolded: "public" (the evidence known, leaving open there might be other/more not known), "crime" (suggesting non-crime for political impeachment, not MUELLER's for prosecution).


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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/us/politics/trump-sessions-russia-mcgahn.html

Obstruction Inquiry Shows Trump’s Struggle to Keep Grip on Russia Investigation

By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT JAN. 4, 2017

.... Legal experts said that of the two primary issues Mr. Mueller appears to be investigating — whether Mr. Trump obstructed justice while in office and whether there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia — there is currently a larger body of public evidence tying the president to a possible crime of obstruction.

But the experts are divided about whether the accumulated evidence is enoughfor Mr. Mueller to bring an obstruction case. They said it could be difficult to prove that the president, who has broad authority over the executive branch, including the hiring and firing of officials, had corrupt intentions when he took actions like ousting the F.B.I. director. Some experts said the case would be stronger if there was evidence that the president had told witnesses to lie under oath. ....

Regardless of whether Mr. Mueller believes there is enough evidence to make a case against the president, Mr. Trump’s belief that his attorney general should protect him provides an important window into how he governs. ... ....

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UTUSN

(70,788 posts)
3. Yea, it's open/shut if I were the judge/jury in criminal court. SCHMIDT is the one saying it.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 12:41 PM
Jan 2018

And he could just be leaving himself weasel room. But countless media yakkers have made the point that the criminal system standards are stringent compared to the *political* alternative of impeachment.




wishstar

(5,273 posts)
2. Trump's attorneys realize that trying to "fire" Mueller would be linchpin in obstruction case
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jan 2018

so they have advised T that safer course is an onslaught of sabotage, distraction and character assassination of Comey and Mueller utilizing Repubs in Congress, rightwing media, and Trumper loyalists in DOJ and FBI.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. I saw that too, but it didn't bother me
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 01:16 PM
Jan 2018

Because I think Trump did ask people to lie under oath. It would fit in with everything else we know about him.

writes3000

(4,734 posts)
5. Trump told everyone on the plane to LIE re: the Russian/Trump Tower Meeting.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 01:19 PM
Jan 2018

An attorney there quit because he felt that was Obstruction.

UTUSN

(70,788 posts)
7. No argument from me. If it were up to me TWITLER wouldn't be in our lives.
Fri Jan 5, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jan 2018

We are elated over TWITLER's despicable-ness being exposed more than all the tons already known. Just am wary of potential disappointments since we Dems have had a lifetime of disappointments, such that I'm a bit spooked and paranoid about Fitzmas type outcomes.

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