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Mueller's investigation will show GOP Congress co-conspirators (Original Post) L. Coyote Jan 2018 OP
The entire upper echelon of repub leadership needs to go down. CrispyQ Jan 2018 #1
I have been saying... 2naSalit Jan 2018 #3
Absolutely. volstork Jan 2018 #30
absolutely. 2naSalit Jan 2018 #36
Yes PatSeg Jan 2018 #24
Amen to that! burrowowl Jan 2018 #44
When Shit hits the fan...... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2018 #2
and maybe someone with a straight jacket at the ready for the man at the top of this mess. Just Doitnow Jan 2018 #32
I think there are more than several. nt Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #4
K&R! Any rich person would be a fool to donate money to the GOP right now. McCamy Taylor Jan 2018 #5
Good point PatSeg Jan 2018 #27
I've been wondering how we can make the money in politics useless. Maybe the reThugs are Doitnow Jan 2018 #33
Further proof that the GOP will do nothing in response to his investigation Orrex Jan 2018 #6
Why else would this be a secret? malaise Jan 2018 #7
And, how many people in the room thought, "Not that that's a bad thing"? L. Coyote Jan 2018 #8
I read your post on this last night ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #15
I would love to see them all on a chain gang with Trump in the lead. SamKnause Jan 2018 #9
I suspected as much for months lunatica Jan 2018 #10
And thus the growing outcry moondust Jan 2018 #11
Google "RICO GOP" -- those names are falling together more and more. nt eppur_se_muova Jan 2018 #12
Twitter too. ... Mueller had a dog and RICO was his name-oh ... L. Coyote Jan 2018 #13
Maybe that's what Putin and Trump didn't count on... C Moon Jan 2018 #14
What I Suspect duforsure Jan 2018 #16
Hillary left out one word, "vast right-wing criminal conspiracy." L. Coyote Jan 2018 #19
well, if muehler had ANY... getagrip_already Jan 2018 #17
I think and am hopeful that those numbers will inflate quite a bit bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #18
Conventional wisdom, it seems, Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #20
It was always a ridiculous argument. Kentonio Jan 2018 #45
Mueller's throwing rocks at a pack of jackals. The rocks are starting to hit, and they all yelp. Efilroft Sul Jan 2018 #21
I think people are getting to expect too much. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #22
I also think if too many people are guilty janterry Jan 2018 #31
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #42
I suspect that every person at Camp David this weekend is dirty rainin Jan 2018 #23
.. Duppers Jan 2018 #26
Winner, winner, chicken dinner. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #34
If true then I have to wonder how far up to their necks are Ryan and Mitch? cstanleytech Jan 2018 #25
I hope Devin Nunez is on his list. George II Jan 2018 #28
I unfollowed dworkin. Had enough. lindysalsagal Jan 2018 #29
I check Scott Dworkin's Twitter feed frequently, well worth the time. Great retweets too. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #35
Why? He's one of our best researcher good guys... RealityChik Jan 2018 #37
Dworkin is a constant defender of Mueller. He also has tremendous reach online. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #39
Members of Congress are trying to discredit investigation looking at attack on our country L. Coyote Jan 2018 #38
"Blavatnik donated at least $7.35M to GOP candidates" Can't buy one fighter jet for that type money Tom Rinaldo Jan 2018 #40
The information is already there ready to go on the GOP congressmembers. Demtexan Jan 2018 #41
Mueller's latest move undermines Trump's claim that he isn't being investigated L. Coyote Jan 2018 #43

CrispyQ

(36,573 posts)
1. The entire upper echelon of repub leadership needs to go down.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:26 PM
Jan 2018

I hope Mueller's goal is to cut out all the rot, or we'll be back down this road again.

2naSalit

(86,978 posts)
3. I have been saying...
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:38 PM
Jan 2018

since the revelations of a stolen election came around, that the first three or four tiers of the admin and Congress are all complicit.






volstork

(5,404 posts)
30. Absolutely.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:55 PM
Jan 2018

Why did mcconnell refuse to allow consideration of Merrick Garland? Because he knew the election was a foregone conclusion.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,912 posts)
2. When Shit hits the fan......
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:27 PM
Jan 2018


If the Dictator-In-Chief Donald Trump hasn't already blown a gasket with FIRE and FURY, he will surely blow when more indictments come down the pike. We had better have Mueller's back when this happens.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
32. and maybe someone with a straight jacket at the ready for the man at the top of this mess. Just
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:15 PM
Jan 2018

sayin'.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
5. K&R! Any rich person would be a fool to donate money to the GOP right now.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:48 PM
Jan 2018

Not only will you get nothing for your dollar. You might find yourself in the cross hairs.

Double K&R for being a constructive post!

PatSeg

(47,773 posts)
27. Good point
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:48 PM
Jan 2018

I'm sure a lot of wealthy donors are going to be holding on to their money for quite awhile.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
33. I've been wondering how we can make the money in politics useless. Maybe the reThugs are
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:18 PM
Jan 2018

doing it themselves.

malaise

(269,336 posts)
7. Why else would this be a secret?
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 01:55 PM
Jan 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.f002ce3b5860
<snip>
A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
15. I read your post on this last night
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:44 PM
Jan 2018

Alliance is tracking these trolls and not doing anything to stop them. It's obvious they want to uncover the entire network on the Russian and US sides. However, there are two things about this that bother me. The first is that social media doesn't have any safeguards. The second is that it hurts the credibility of the investigation. Now I can understand that Mueller might be using some of this information in building his case, so he would want to continued presence of the trolls. However, it is downright frightening to me that all of social media is still subject to Russian influence.

I want to imagine that Alliance is also feeding information to the FBI about those American targets of Russian trolling, but I can't be sure they have the resources to handle that. It's a very dangerous game we are playing when we don't know who or how many Americans are going to be triggered by trolling.

SamKnause

(13,114 posts)
9. I would love to see them all on a chain gang with Trump in the lead.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:00 PM
Jan 2018

EVIL, FUCKING, LYING TRAITORS.

They are the most anti-American scum that I have ever seen !!!

They actually hate the American people that they are suppose to represent.

I return their hate 3 fold.

moondust

(20,029 posts)
11. And thus the growing outcry
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:09 PM
Jan 2018

against the Mueller investigation all across the GOP and its propaganda networks. The walls close in, the chorus gets louder.

C Moon

(12,227 posts)
14. Maybe that's what Putin and Trump didn't count on...
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:30 PM
Jan 2018

Ryan and McConnell being caught in this mess as well.
Maybe that's why they are so scared right now.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
16. What I Suspect
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:47 PM
Jan 2018

This investigation has been ongoing for a lot longer than anyone knows, and they have been listening in for quite a while on them all that's involved. That's why trump freaked out claiming President Obama was wiretapping him, and his being so paranoid. I think they're letting them set themselves up, and gathering up everyone involved. Trump, Ryan, and McConnell are getting more desperate every day, shows they're scared too, and are liable to do anything to try and escape justice.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
19. Hillary left out one word, "vast right-wing criminal conspiracy."
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:02 PM
Jan 2018

This has been ongoing since Nixon was president. Ford's pardon enabled them to forward from that time and it is no surprise that Reagan arose from that SoCal cabal of corruption and restored criminality to the White House. Then Reagan's felons became Bushes appointees. Now they are back again. All the while the RNC is being corrupted by billionaire fascist money and ratfuckers have been running amok. Don't get me started on stealing elections and depriving people of their right to vote ......

getagrip_already

(14,989 posts)
17. well, if muehler had ANY...
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:57 PM
Jan 2018

warm feelings toward the gop, as a lifelong member, hopefully he is over that.

The gop has smeared, insulted, and threatened to indict him personally. The gop has done the same with the very institution he headed. Sessions is weaponizing the DoJ and attacking political opponents on the most laughable grounds.

In short, everything a 70 year old man holds precious in this world has been attacked and damaged. If they were planning on turning his heart cold and angry towards them, they picked a perfect recipe.

Hopefully, he has had enough and won't just hang a bunch of fig leaves where amputation is required.

bucolic_frolic

(43,531 posts)
18. I think and am hopeful that those numbers will inflate quite a bit
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:02 PM
Jan 2018

Figure a handful "in the know" and pumping cash to others who knew what they were taking

Keep hoping Congress will be in session without 17-25 members who are in jail

What will be their status if out on bail?

Oh for the days of mild scandals like Wilbur Mills

How is the IC and LE community going to pull this off? Will it be hush-hush? Dozens told to retire, not seek re-election? Could we, would we, really launder our scandals in public for all the world to see?

I refer to Robert Ludlum's book "Apocalypse Watch", a wonderful read, where a worldwide fascist revival involved everyone imaginable. All told to retire, few mentions in the press. Ludlum was a genius.

Mr.Bill

(24,376 posts)
20. Conventional wisdom, it seems,
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:19 PM
Jan 2018

has always been that we would look bad in the eyes of the world if we put our elected officials on trial.

I think we have now reached a threshold where we will look bad if we don't put them on trial.

Sadly, I also think a republican congress will do nothing no matter what Mueller comes up with on Trump.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
45. It was always a ridiculous argument.
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 06:02 AM
Jan 2018

Chiefly made by those in positions of power to cover themselves. Does anyone truly believe that the rest of the world doesn't read/watch the same news cycles as Americans, or that they're somehow impressed by the idea that people can commit crimes and then walk away scot free? If it happened in another country, would WE consider that a positive thing?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. I think people are getting to expect too much.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:22 PM
Jan 2018

The investigation will come to a close. There will be a lengthy report. There will be more indictments, some of people we've never heard of before.

But I think people are getting carried away, expecting Mueller to save the day, like Mighty Mouse. In the real world that rarely happens. It takes a village, and his is one investigation headed by one person. There is no one in the opposition who seems to be on the investigation's side to even find the truth, whatever it is.

People like Trump tend to get away with things. That's how he's gotten as far as he has. People gather 'round people like that, hoping some of the power and money will spill over and bless them. Or they act in fear.

It's possible Trump will get an obstruction of justice charge. But the Republicans will vehemently disagree that the actions constitute obstruction. We've seen it. Trump may get a money laundering charge, but he can remain President, unless the Republicans impeach him, which won't happen. They'll line up behind him, as we've seen, calling the investigation a Democratic Party witch hunt.

The reason I think it is likely not to end in impeachment is because over time, as we've seen more damning evidence be discovered, more acts of obstruction that we originally knew about, the additional money laundering lurid stories, the indictments...as we've seen all this unfold, the Repubs haven't gotten more reasonable, more questioning of Trump, more critical of him. No, as all this has come down, they have become more supportive and complementary than ever. They are on tv saying things like they are "blessed" to have him as their leader, how lucky they are, and such.

It doesn't look good. Our only hope is for Mueller's investigation results to be very damning, AND the Democrats sweep the mid-terms. If there's time for that. I hope there is.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
31. I also think if too many people are guilty
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:04 PM
Jan 2018

it will make the charges even harder. Something about 'everyone doing it' - it doesn't make it right, but from a right-wing propaganda perspective, (and to be fair, how many people view politics) people will just say this is how the game is played. Everyone is dirty.

Part of our hope is Mueller. But in the end, the American people have to be persuaded that this crime is worthy of impeachment (that's what finally got Nixon).

rainin

(3,011 posts)
23. I suspect that every person at Camp David this weekend is dirty
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:36 PM
Jan 2018

and under investigation already. Sessions was left at home because he's already cooperating with Mueller. Camp David was to figure out how to save themselves from Mueller.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
34. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:42 PM
Jan 2018

Yuppers, they were hiding their secret agenda and lying their asses off as usual. The cover stories were so confused, first it was about financing the wall, ....

And they tried to turn it into a Trump ass-kissing contest as usual, staring Trump kissing his own ass.
Who wrote that script, a very stable genius?

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
35. I check Scott Dworkin's Twitter feed frequently, well worth the time. Great retweets too.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:47 PM
Jan 2018

I did quit following him, but only to keep my Twitter feed science dominated and less depressing.






RealityChik

(382 posts)
37. Why? He's one of our best researcher good guys...
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:15 PM
Jan 2018

Dworkin was one of the earliest researchers connecting all the dots on the criminal ties to Russia, along with documents, archived videos, newspaper clippings and magazine articles as far back as the 1970's. You can always depend on Scott to back up his statements with supporting proof.

Without him, I'd never have discovered Adam Khan, Carolyn O, Louise Neu, Eric Garland, John Schindler, Joyce Faraone, Juliette Kayyem, Jay McKenthery, Renato Mariotti, Olga Lautman, Seth Abramson, Natasha Bertrand, Jay McKenzie, Claude Taylor, Thomas Pain, Wendy Siegelman, Mike Farb, Rick Wilson, and yes, EVEN Louise Mensch! Note this only a partial list...but it is ALL thanks to Scott Dworkin.

Without him, I'm not so sure there would even BE a "Russiagate" as we know it today.

So, perhaps I missed something that you saw that caused you to lose faith in Scott Dworkin?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,919 posts)
40. "Blavatnik donated at least $7.35M to GOP candidates" Can't buy one fighter jet for that type money
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 06:25 PM
Jan 2018

But it's enough to buy loyalty from a major U.S. Political Party. The Russians know how to project their national interests on a very modest budget. Hell 7.5 million might not even pay for a modern cruise missile.

Demtexan

(1,588 posts)
41. The information is already there ready to go on the GOP congressmembers.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 09:13 PM
Jan 2018

Flynn is talking.

Who else is talking.

Charges might be ready to go just in case the republicans try something.

Bob knows what he is doing.

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