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Hats off to Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff for being the most vocal critics of Trump' s GOP cabal: (Original Post) Chasstev365 Jan 2018 OP
pelosi and schumer are saving their political capital for when it counts samnsara Jan 2018 #1
What political capital? CrispyQ Jan 2018 #8
I'm waiting for Franken to lead from outside the Democratic party DemocracyMouse Jan 2018 #21
Or at least from outside the senate. Me too. You know he is not going to go quietly into the night. Amaryllis Jan 2018 #43
Get ready to be flamed, Chasstev365. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #2
Why? Chasstev365 Jan 2018 #4
In short TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #6
I took a lot of heat for saying we suck at messaging and we need more voices to Squinch Jan 2018 #7
Our leaders let Republicans frame the narrative rainin Jan 2018 #13
Same here Sam McGee Jan 2018 #22
Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #27
Crap. Thinking that made me notice I haven't seen LaydeeBug for a while. Squinch Jan 2018 #40
Yes; you are probably right! Chasstev365 Jan 2018 #11
Don't think it's about offending. It's about fear of backlash. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2018 #36
I don't have any "friends across the aisle." lastlib Jan 2018 #41
Re Franken: I had a post hidden last week for saying Dems don't fight for their own. NBachers Jan 2018 #26
This is what I have been waiting for... Zoonart Jan 2018 #3
I can and will support ANY Democratic candidate for President. I can hold two thoughts in my Squinch Jan 2018 #9
Sorry, I was not clear. Zoonart Jan 2018 #20
I knew that. I completely agree. dchill Jan 2018 #30
Now that Franken's gone. NT enough Jan 2018 #5
It's hard for me to not be bitter.n/t rainin Jan 2018 #14
Same here. Duppers Jan 2018 #18
Bummer, their message can be so easily dismissed in the 'flyover states'.... Brother Buzz Jan 2018 #10
Let's not forget Al Franken. More vocal than Lieu, esp early on. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #12
It worked before. Republicans are good at repeating what works. rainin Jan 2018 #15
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #44
Oh goody! murielm99 Jan 2018 #16
Sorry to be such a N00b but: TwistOneUp Jan 2018 #17
No text and kick&recommend flying_wahini Jan 2018 #31
No text. murielm99 Jan 2018 #32
Thanks for explaining that! TwistOneUp Jan 2018 #42
And another dedicated loser heard from. Sam McGee Jan 2018 #23
The losers are the people trying to divide our party. murielm99 Jan 2018 #33
So proud Ted Lieu is my Rep.----used to have Rohrbacher---(%$#&*()*&) bleh, yuck, Eew, Doitnow Jan 2018 #19
Send Schiff and Lieu Letters of Support State the Obvious Jan 2018 #24
I am a fan of both of them and would love to see them run for higher office. smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #28
They're busy taking "the moral high ground" bluecollar2 Jan 2018 #25
Don't forget Auntie Maxine, she never lets up Motley13 Jan 2018 #29
+1000 Yes: Good call! She doesn't beat around the bush! Chasstev365 Jan 2018 #37
Maxine is one of our best. A true very vocal leader! democratisphere Jan 2018 #38
Schiff and Lieu are the new leadership of the Democratic Party. democratisphere Jan 2018 #34
Maxine was WAY ahead of the pack Skittles Jan 2018 #35
K & R L. Coyote Jan 2018 #39

CrispyQ

(36,567 posts)
8. What political capital?
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:57 PM
Jan 2018

The dems have been neutered. Hopefully they can regain control of at least one chamber next fall, or the damage Trump will do in his last two years will be hard to come back from.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,169 posts)
6. In short
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:46 PM
Jan 2018

our top leaders are reluctant to offend "our friends across the aisle" and many here don't want to hear that.

Besides, you can't say that on DU.

Squinch

(51,090 posts)
7. I took a lot of heat for saying we suck at messaging and we need more voices to
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:57 PM
Jan 2018

be doing what Schiff and Lieu are doing.

Those whose hair lit up over my statements insisted I was being negative about Democrats.

It's as Laydeebug always says: Don't let Republicans frame the narrative.

We always do.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
13. Our leaders let Republicans frame the narrative
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:30 PM
Jan 2018

and our supposedly "liberal media" lets Fox decide what stories they will be talking about. There are more of us than there are of them It doesn't have to be this way. Grow a spine Democrats!!! Lead!!

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
22. Same here
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:26 PM
Jan 2018

I'll probably be banned from DU for this comment -- however -- several months ago, using another screen name, I lamented about how weak our Democratic "leaders" are in their response. I was banned from DU, my account permanently blocked.

We continue to take a bouquet of roses to a gunfight.

Our "leaders" still don't realize the GOP is not interested in singing "Kumbaya" under a banyan tree.

You deal with a mad dog by shooting it down in the street then cremating the carcass. We are dealing with mad dogs.

Been nice talking with you . . . I'll probably be banned and blocked again.

Squinch

(51,090 posts)
40. Crap. Thinking that made me notice I haven't seen LaydeeBug for a while.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:56 PM
Jan 2018

She's been flagged! She was so great!

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,192 posts)
36. Don't think it's about offending. It's about fear of backlash.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:15 PM
Jan 2018

Leadership believes they are in a good position to retake congress. I disagree with them. In 2006 they retool both houses. But so much has changed since then. Just as the DNC was out of touch in 2016, I think the old guard is also.

NBachers

(17,191 posts)
26. Re Franken: I had a post hidden last week for saying Dems don't fight for their own.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:37 PM
Jan 2018

I followed it up with the statement "Don't expect them to fight for you." That may be what pushed it over the edge.

Zoonart

(11,916 posts)
3. This is what I have been waiting for...
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:35 PM
Jan 2018

I think there is a major vacuum in Dem leadership. I am waiting for folks like Lieu and Shiff... Maxine and others to lead the removal movement. In the coming months, I cannot support any Dem. Candidate for President that does not take point in this fight.

Squinch

(51,090 posts)
9. I can and will support ANY Democratic candidate for President. I can hold two thoughts in my
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 02:59 PM
Jan 2018

head at the same time.

I can wish Democrats were better at messaging while at the same time supporting ANY Democrat over ANY Republican.

Zoonart

(11,916 posts)
20. Sorry, I was not clear.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:58 PM
Jan 2018

In the primary, I am only interested in supporting someone who has confronted the Russian meddling in our elections and the removal of the current occupant of the oval office in a public and forceful way. That being, said. I will vote for the Democrat who received the nomination.

I have NEVER voted for any Republican. I've been voting a long time.

Brother Buzz

(36,507 posts)
10. Bummer, their message can be so easily dismissed in the 'flyover states'....
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jan 2018

as two kooky nuts from California.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. Let's not forget Al Franken. More vocal than Lieu, esp early on.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:24 PM
Jan 2018

I hope no one comes forward to say Lieu or Schiff tried to kiss them once.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
15. It worked before. Republicans are good at repeating what works.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:32 PM
Jan 2018

And we have no one to blame but ourselves.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
17. Sorry to be such a N00b but:
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 03:47 PM
Jan 2018

What does "NT" mean?

And "KR" means "kick (as in kick it up) and route"? Or?

I tried to google these two terms but got conflicting info, and they weren't in the Urban Dictionary when I looked. Also, DU doesn't appear to have a "find" facility...

Thanks in advance!

State the Obvious

(842 posts)
24. Send Schiff and Lieu Letters of Support
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:35 PM
Jan 2018

They both need to know how much we appreciate their efforts and their patriotism. Thank them for showing us the importance of speaking up.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
28. I am a fan of both of them and would love to see them run for higher office.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:49 PM
Jan 2018

Although I don't think Lieu can since he was born in Taiwan. We need more democrats like them. People who are willing to confront the republicans head on and not play nice, like so many of them do. Enough of this high road shit. This is war. This is serious.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
25. They're busy taking "the moral high ground"
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 04:35 PM
Jan 2018

Didn't you get the memo?

Do I really need to put the thingy in here?

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
34. Schiff and Lieu are the new leadership of the Democratic Party.
Sun Jan 7, 2018, 05:07 PM
Jan 2018

Getting the job done while others remain silent.

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