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I've no idea who she is either.

for the record, Rita Moreno has won an oscar, and emmy, a tony, and a golden globe in her very long career. She was in West Side Story, she has been in many Broadway Shows, and she was in OZ among many other TV shows. Forgot the Grammy.

So naturally there are plenty of younger folks here who have no idea of Moreno either. Hell, I'm in my mid-40's and I wouldn't be able to identify her at all and can barely remember anything about her.

It's a big world. Not everyone knows everything.

If not, I would highly recommend it.

But musicals from that era are things I struggle with and that one holds little appeal.

I'm also in my mid-40s! Like you and the earlier poster who admitted they know little to nothing about Moreno, I too fall into that category. I'd heard the name before and I probably would have guessed she's an actress but I couldn't list any roles or accomplishments.

That said, I have worked for a few newspapers during my career -- ones much, much smaller than the NY Times -- and my experience has been that having the names of everyone who appears in a photo (outside of crowd shots) is an absolute must. Somebody appears to have dropped the ball in this instance. I'm guessing it was the photographer.

Theater/Broadway isn't my thing.

The photog likely has everything uploaded automatically and put into the larger pool of pictures, which are then tagged. And considering how many pictures likely flow through from events like this, I'd hazard it takes awhile to get them all tagged properly, especially if they're all put live untagged at first. We just don't see the workflow from the outside.

but when a workflow issue causes an uproar among the general public, like this oversight has here among DUers, then it's not good for the newspaper's image. Something to be addressed internally.

I can see both sides of it. Some folks look for anything to be offended by. Some things are worth being offended by. Something like this is something that I can see from the workflow side just because it happens with my own site.

I think the thing is, I don't view what happened as being malicious while others do.

But letting it slip through raises questions of incompetence, which doesn't bode well. However, context matters. If it was one pic of hundreds (or thousands) that slipped through without identifying a major industry figure, then we're fixating on a single error and perhaps not being fair to the NY Times. If it was part of a broader series of photos lacking identification as they were initially filed for public consumption, then the NY Times staff ought to be taken to task, IMO.

Really?

for someone whose job it is to cover that, it would be like not recognizing Barack Obama

I knew who it was immediately.

NYT, really?

she looks amazing. Honestly she doesn't look over 60 in that photo.

However, having said that, I find that when I mention "James Garner" or "Jim Rockford" or "The Rockford Files" to anyone under 40, they have no idea what I'm talking about.

On the other hand, Moreno is still alive and still appears as a recurring character on different TV series.

he ought to know who she is regardless of age. This would be like a political reporter not knowing who Senator Hatch was.

A photo editor back in NYC does.

DSC will not give an inch. He/She is offended and that's all that matters.

of all the nights to make such a blunder.

with the workouts that most people aren't able to do, even at half her age. West Side Story was made when I was born and even I know who she is.

an Oscar, an Emmy, and a Tony award. And a Grammy for good measure. Moreno may well be Lear's guest, but she should be identified by name.

...loved within the Hispanic community...guest? The stupido couldn't make an effort to find out who the guest was, what a Huebon(Spanish slang for lazy: pronounced wevon.)

in a show of solidarity against sexual harassment, it was a glaring omission to overlook Rita Moreno and diminish her by labeling her as some unknown 'guest'.

Especially at a newspaper that supposedly prides itself on being the paper of record.

Not all of us recognize everyone. If you, dsc, recognized her, then congrats to you.

I know what it is like to be enamored of people that most others have never heard of. At least I retain a sense of humor about that.

The NYT should have got it right first time

If they would have captioned it Norman Lear and Faye Dunaway that would have been wrong. They omitted identifying her until they confirmed it was her. That's good journalism.

Wow. Just wow.

That was some absolute shit sexist “journalism”. The lengths some will go to blind themselves to the isms of the world is amazing.

...I would have wired it in like that - just to get it out. Norman Lear is immediately recognizable. If the list said, "and guest.," I would have repeated that... upon learning it was Rita Moreno, I would have been exceptionally thrilled with my photo! She's a favorite... looks like a different woman, but who cares - it's RITA MORENO!

Before publishing the caption.

that said, I just had to look up who Norman Lear was !

Among other reasons.

unrectified.

But I can also see how this one could irk some folks.

It said guest because no one was sure. Once it was confirmed it was corrected. Damn that evil NYTs.

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Especially with The Golden Globes being focused on women and inequality.

Link to tweet

Also currently starring in a tv series on Netflix.

Her name isn’t even familiar.

Probably most famous for West Side Story.

Edit to add: She performed at Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 and received a Kennedy Center award in 2015.

Here's a photo of President Obama awarding her the National Medal for the Arts.

Thanks

instantly recognize her and called her a "guest" in an ironic sort of way.

The next to the last screen will identify the name, director, first, second, even third male actors before identifying the lead female actor who is as integral to the story as the second and third male actors. On edit: Certainly not all credit screens, but many, but I think it is getting better.

As opposed to what the audience thinks their role importance is.

You can have a cast with four men and one woman all as the leads and all equally important, but if three of the men have been performing for decades and she's got a few years under her belt, she will not get top billing because of it. It's not a slight because she's a woman.

Yeah, they'll give someone like Jack Nicholson, who appears for a cameo, higher name billing.

Because he's got the prestige to it. People were upset that the two young leads didn't get top billing. But billing isn't based on story importance.

I think she is great too but if you hadn't pointed out who she was, I wouldn't have noticed.

Recognizable no, I wouldn't be able to pick him out in a lineup.

It was a mistake to mislabel her but I do not believe it was intentional or even meant to be offensive.

I know what she looks like more than Norman Lear but I didn't recognize her until it was pointed out to me.

She is definitely more famous than him among a very large segment of the population.

Lol.

Kind of a big deal. Opened a lot of doors for a lot of Americans.

is while they of course would know who Norman Lear is I decided to look them up on imdb. Lear, aside from a current original series created by credit hasn't worked since 1994. Conversely, she has been in three tv series as a regular since 2000 and has several guest appearances in the same period. He wasn't exactly Harrison Ford.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005131/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001549/?ref_=nv_sr_1

It really is incompetence to not know who this woman is when your job is covering award shows.

That's why they were together.

She is nominated for Best Supporting Actress in a Series (Critic's Choice) for her role in that show.

...I don’t recognize either of these people.