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Gothmog

(145,942 posts) Wed Jan 10, 2018, 01:56 PM Jan 2018

Oops! White House admits it has zero evidence of voter fraud in 2016 election

Kobach could find no voter fraud https://thinkprogress.org/kris-kobach-voter-fraud-findings-ebe089540ede/

In a court filing on Tuesday, the White House announced that it had not uncovered any preliminary findings of voter fraud in the 2016 election and that it would be destroying confidential voter data initially collected for President Trump’s controversial voter fraud commission, which was disbanded on January 3.

The revelation stands in stark contrast to previous comments made by both Trump and former commission vice chair and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who claimed in an interview with right-wing outlet Breitbart one week ago that all investigation work would be “handed off” to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), implying that Democrats were becoming “uncomfortable” with how much Republicans had discovered thus far.

Trump also claimed previously that the commission — created in May 2017 and charged with identifying “vulnerabilities in voting systems” that could lead to fraud — had uncovered “substantial” findings which would be handed over to DHS.

Tuesday’s court filing contradicted those claims.

“The Commission did not create any preliminary findings,” White House Director of Information Technology Charles C. Herndon said. “In any event, no Commission records or data will be transferred to the DHS or another agency, except to NARA [the National Archives and Records Administration] if required, in accordance with federal law.”

He added that “no Commission member was provided access to the state voter data prior to the Commission’s termination and none has access now.”

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Oops! White House admits it has zero evidence of voter fraud in 2016 election (Original Post) Gothmog Jan 2018 OP

The voter fraud was done by the GOPs in the EC states Iliyah Jan 2018 #1

K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jan 2018 #2

does this mean it was burnbaby Jan 2018 #3

In terms of "voter fraud" Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #6

a meltdown, ah no burnbaby Jan 2018 #8

But wasn't that the whole point of this "commission" Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #9

he was just being a dick burnbaby Jan 2018 #10

Poor tRump ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #4

All that time and OUR money Grrr lunasun Jan 2018 #5

Off to the greatest page malaise Jan 2018 #7

How much money did they waste on this study? How many does that make? eom Frustratedlady Jan 2018 #11

Looks like part of a larger cover-up. SeattleVet Jan 2018 #12

I think they discovered that the data they collected proved a giant Russian hack. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #18

White House Official Says Voter Fraud Panel Found Nothing, Will Delete Voter Data Gothmog Jan 2018 #13

How Kris Kobach Has Created A Giant Headache For The Trump Administration Gothmog Jan 2018 #14

Keep talking, Kansas Kris Kobach. Mc Mike Jan 2018 #15

Kobach is good at suppressing the vote Gothmog Jan 2018 #17

2 degrees of J.T. Ready: Mc Mike Jan 2018 #20

Good to know which data to protect next. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #19

Kick dalton99a Jan 2018 #16

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)

1. The voter fraud was done by the GOPs in the EC states

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:04 PM

Jan 2018

so of course per them, nada.

tblue37

(65,550 posts)

2. K&R for visibility. nt

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:05 PM

Jan 2018

burnbaby

(685 posts)

3. does this mean it was

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:07 PM

Jan 2018

a fair election?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,460 posts)

6. In terms of "voter fraud"

Reply to burnbaby (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:12 PM

Jan 2018

Hillary still won the Popular Vote fair and square. Lots more people liked her over Trump. Trump will have a meltdown over that.

burnbaby

(685 posts)

8. a meltdown, ah no

Reply to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:26 PM

Jan 2018

a bit of chucking yes. He is the one sitting in the oval office at least for now

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,460 posts)

9. But wasn't that the whole point of this "commission"

Reply to burnbaby (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:29 PM

Jan 2018

to find evidence of massive voter fraud that gave Hillary the popular vote win over him (not that it matters in the end, of course, for obvious reasons but still)?

burnbaby

(685 posts)

10. he was just being a dick

Reply to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:36 PM

Jan 2018

that he is

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)

4. Poor tRump

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:08 PM

Jan 2018

It's like a six year old getting all excited about Xmas, waking up on Xmas morning, finding no presents under the tree, and his parents tell him there is no Santa Claus and if he believes in one he's full of shit.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)

5. All that time and OUR money Grrr

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:10 PM

Jan 2018

malaise

(269,310 posts)

7. Off to the greatest page

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 02:12 PM

Jan 2018

Rec

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)

11. How much money did they waste on this study? How many does that make? eom

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 03:11 PM

Jan 2018

SeattleVet

(5,484 posts)

12. Looks like part of a larger cover-up.

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 05:34 PM

Jan 2018

Commission member (and Maine Secretary of State) Matthew Dunlap sued back in November to be given access to the same materials that the repukes were getting. The court agreed that, as a member of the Commission he should be given access to what others were being given, in order for him to be able to do the job.

Shortly after the court ruled in Dunlap's favor, tRump disbanded the commission, and the release above shows that he now retains all 'non-public Commission records' as Presidential Records, which can be sealed or otherwise hidden from public view for an extended period of time.

As Arte Johnson was known to say from time to time..."Verrrrry Interesting!"

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)

18. I think they discovered that the data they collected proved a giant Russian hack.

Reply to SeattleVet (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:57 PM

Jan 2018

Can't leave that lying around.

Gothmog

(145,942 posts)

13. White House Official Says Voter Fraud Panel Found Nothing, Will Delete Voter Data

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Wed Jan 10, 2018, 07:01 PM

Jan 2018

There was no fraud found https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-house-voter-fraud-data_us_5a559104e4b03417e87337da?section=us_politics

A White House official told a federal judge Tuesday that President Donald Trump’s now-defunct voter fraud commission plans to delete the voter data it collected from about 20 states and contradicted the administration’s public statements saying the Department of Homeland Security would take up the panel’s work.

Trump suddenly dissolved the commission Wednesday but said its work would be moved to DHS. White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said the agency would take up the panel’s “preliminary findings,” and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R), the panel’s vice chair, said DHS would run voter information against databases of immigrants to try to find voters illegally on the rolls.

But Charles Herndon, the director of White House Information Technology, said in a sworn court declaration filed Tuesday that that wasn’t the case. Herndon said the panel “did not create any preliminary findings.” He added that “no Commission records or data will be transferred to the DHS or another agency,” except for the National Archives and Records Administration.

Herndon also said no commission member ever had access to state voter data.

Gothmog

(145,942 posts)

14. How Kris Kobach Has Created A Giant Headache For The Trump Administration

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 09:56 PM

Jan 2018

Kobach has made the DOJ's life difficult with his lies https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/kobach-doj-at-odds-voter-fraud-probes-next-steps?utm_content=buffer68b11&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Comments by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, which may have been an attempt to save face as his voter fraud commission was dissolved, have created a number of headaches for the Justice Department attorneys defending the defunct commission in the various lawsuits against it.

“The investigations will continue now, but they won’t be able to stall it through litigation,” Kobach told Breitbart News after the commission was dissolved. That interview has since been referenced in multiple court documents filed by commissions’ legal challengers.

Kobach’s claims — as well as similar claims made by White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders and by President Trump himself — about the next steps for the commission’s so-called investigation have been repeatedly rebuked by government officials in court filings and hearings.

Those remarks, however, have given those who were suing the commission ammo to continue their litigation.

Will DHS do the ‘investigation’ Kobach had been planning?
Trump’s statement announcing the commission’s dissolution said that he had asked the “Department of Homeland Security to review these issues and determine next courses of action.” Kobach described the move as a “tactical shift” that will allow the commission’s “mission” to continue “more efficiently,” “more effectively,” and “without the stonewalling by Democrats.” Kobach told Politico that he expected DHS to do the “investigation” he’d been planning: a comparison of state voter roll data to DHS’s own data on non-citizens

Mc Mike

(9,116 posts)

15. Keep talking, Kansas Kris Kobach.

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:20 PM

Jan 2018

Thanks for the ammo.

Gothmog

(145,942 posts)

17. Kobach is good at suppressing the vote

Reply to Mc Mike (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:55 PM

Jan 2018

Mc Mike

(9,116 posts)

20. 2 degrees of J.T. Ready:

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 16, 2018, 09:07 AM

Jan 2018

" Kobach himself is tied to the white nationalist Tanton network, which runs a whole system of groups that fund and lobby in favor of anti-immigration and population control efforts. It was through his work with this network and the "model legislation" group, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), that SB 1070 was produced. Then-president of the Arizona State Senate Russell Pearce sat on ALEC's board, and sponsored SB 1070 through the Arizona legislature in 2010.

What we know about Pearce, Kobach and their connections to white nationalism and fascism in Arizona is portentous with regards to the future of the US.

"Father Figure" to a Nazi

Pearce had already achieved infamy in 2007, when his ties to known fascists in Arizona became inescapable. These connections were, specifically, to a group known as National Vanguard and a neo-Nazi named J.T. Ready. "

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38935-fascism-sb-1070-and-the-arizonafication-of-the-us

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)

19. Good to know which data to protect next.

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:58 PM

Jan 2018

dalton99a

(81,708 posts)

16. Kick

Reply to Gothmog (Original post)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:50 PM

Jan 2018

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