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So, what "Shithole" country did your ancestors come from? (Original Post) packman Jan 2018 OP
Ireland and Germany/Austria redstatebluegirl Jan 2018 #1
Norway. But in the 19th century, Norway was, if not a shithole, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #2
Sicily and Ireland. maveric Jan 2018 #3
Puerto Rico and the DR IluvPitties Jan 2018 #4
Half from Scotland. The other half were already here. Blue_Adept Jan 2018 #5
Sorry MaryMagdaline Jan 2018 #10
Ireland and Norway jpak Jan 2018 #6
Dad and all four Grandparents were from Czechoslovakia. livetohike Jan 2018 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Mc Mike Jan 2018 #74
Ireland MaryMagdaline Jan 2018 #8
Ireland and Hungary maryellen99 Jan 2018 #9
The ones I know that came here after the Revolution geardaddy Jan 2018 #11
Norway, Sweden, Mexico and England nadine_mn Jan 2018 #12
Me too! ariadne0614 Jan 2018 #104
My grandpa's family were fleeing the Revolution! nadine_mn Jan 2018 #123
England, Ireland, Holland, and North America (Cherokee and Blackfoot) lapfog_1 Jan 2018 #13
Your Native Americans should have kept the rest of us shitholes out Motley13 Jan 2018 #45
The invaders used WMDs on the native defenders lapfog_1 Jan 2018 #52
Irish, here. jeffreyi Jan 2018 #14
My ancestors were Irish and British miners who MineralMan Jan 2018 #15
France HAB911 Jan 2018 #16
Moi aussi! nt zanana1 Jan 2018 #109
gee, we seem to be a minority! HAB911 Jan 2018 #116
30% Ireland, 30% Germany and somewhere in Scandinavia (Noway, Denmark, Sweden) hlthe2b Jan 2018 #17
Alabama ! stonecutter357 Jan 2018 #18
Ohio and West Virginia. underpants Jan 2018 #77
Italy ciao_bella Jan 2018 #19
For many years rogerashton Jan 2018 #103
Russia leftynyc Jan 2018 #20
This country, except back then they called it Mexico. Iggo Jan 2018 #21
Italy and Norway lucca18 Jan 2018 #22
Turkey....it was a shithole..it was bad LeftInTX Jan 2018 #23
Dad and all the grandparents from Lithuania in the early 20th century eleny Jan 2018 #24
My mom came here from Italy and Dad from Ireland.......... Old Vet Jan 2018 #25
from the largest democracy on the globe! quartz007 Jan 2018 #26
I personally came from Germany gopiscrap Jan 2018 #27
Italy, I guess we were the dagos, wops and guineas. phylny Jan 2018 #28
England and France tymorial Jan 2018 #29
Italy and the UK nightwing1240 Jan 2018 #30
The only one of know of a great grandfather came from Ireland kimbutgar Jan 2018 #31
Sweden, Germany and Prussia MrsMatt Jan 2018 #32
I'm straight outta shithole WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2018 #33
Ireland, Wales, England, and Italy. PragmaticDem Jan 2018 #34
Africa, somewhere... klook Jan 2018 #35
So true. nt zanana1 Jan 2018 #114
Oh dear! Normay and Fimland! longship Jan 2018 #36
Sicily (Wops) and Calabria (Dagos) ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #37
same blood born in 1958 burnbaby Jan 2018 #44
I Look Morracan Every Summer ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #64
Very Different Experience Here ProfessorGAC Jan 2018 #100
My mother from Romania. cloudbase Jan 2018 #38
England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and France. Aristus Jan 2018 #39
Russia on my mother's side and Ireland/Britain/Scotland on my father's. OliverQ Jan 2018 #40
Shithole Italy, but at least we are from piemonte Drahthaardogs Jan 2018 #41
Hungary here, too Dirty Socialist Jan 2018 #42
Germany on my Dad's side Hayduke Bomgarte Jan 2018 #43
Norway, ironically enough. alarimer Jan 2018 #46
Russia: Still a Shithole Bad Thoughts Jan 2018 #47
Russia and Austria-Hungary. Madam Mossfern Jan 2018 #48
Potato Famine Ireland; Germany to escape military service. NBachers Jan 2018 #49
Ireland, Wales, Scotland, England, Germany! Floyd R. Turbo Jan 2018 #50
Italy/Sicily tenderfoot Jan 2018 #51
The Polish and Russian Ghettos marybourg Jan 2018 #53
What is now the Slovak Republic. femmocrat Jan 2018 #54
Poland & Russia irisblue Jan 2018 #55
Germany, England, Wales, Ireland lkinwi Jan 2018 #56
Scotland (Maternal grandparents) and Ireland (Paternal grandparents) lpbk2713 Jan 2018 #57
Ireland and Poland Awsi Dooger Jan 2018 #58
Ireland and the slums of Liverpool. Kingofalldems Jan 2018 #59
Somwhere in West Africa. Brought here to work as slave labor for generations. SweetieD Jan 2018 #60
Used to was. Iggo Jan 2018 #69
Check out the African American Group here Hekate Jan 2018 #90
Bohemia and Scotland ornotna Jan 2018 #61
Same here! sprinkleeninow Jan 2018 #62
You had to ask! greatauntoftriplets Jan 2018 #63
Quite the melting pot, g.a. Mc Mike Jan 2018 #75
This is based on a DNA test, not just where everyone came from. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2018 #84
There was a ton of atypical through flow, genetically, everywhere, Mc Mike Jan 2018 #122
Israel MosheFeingold Jan 2018 #65
Many European countries mvd Jan 2018 #66
Great Britain - I'm starting to wish they'd stayed there. Vinca Jan 2018 #67
Hungary and Croatia - moonscape Jan 2018 #68
Alsace End Of The Road Jan 2018 #70
I live on Alsace St. zanana1 Jan 2018 #140
Ireland and Lithuania. jalan48 Jan 2018 #71
Several shitholes shanti Jan 2018 #72
Ireland, Lithuania, Sicily. Mc Mike Jan 2018 #73
Shitholia, East Shitholistan, and Lower Shitholemberg. eppur_se_muova Jan 2018 #76
I never understood why you left. The neighborhood went to hell and back afterwards. Now you can't politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2018 #83
OMG femmocrat Jan 2018 #138
Shit is from some old-country shithole, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2018 #143
I beg to differ. "Shinola" the shoe polish came first before the luxury goods Shinola Detroit politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2018 #144
England and Wales nt doc03 Jan 2018 #78
Netherlands, England & Ireland. n/t GP6971 Jan 2018 #79
Poland, Slovenia, Russia. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2018 #80
Scotch-Irish who went into Kentucky in the 1780s. AJT Jan 2018 #81
All four grandparents came here from Hungary. CatMor Jan 2018 #82
I am from South Africa nt. Nonhlanhla Jan 2018 #85
Ireland, England, and Alsace-Lorraine Hekate Jan 2018 #86
. dae Jan 2018 #87
Yugoslavia, Mexico, and Italy ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2018 #88
Guess... Drunken Irishman Jan 2018 #89
Good one. nt zanana1 Jan 2018 #115
Italy and Ireland. I got DNA from Other Shitholes, I mean, Garden Spots TheOther95Percent Jan 2018 #91
England and Scotland, from the border regions prior to 1700 Glorfindel Jan 2018 #92
Irish potato famine emigrants mcar Jan 2018 #93
Portugal. Azore Ilands. Both sides. onecaliberal Jan 2018 #94
Prussians spinbaby Jan 2018 #95
Eastern Europe sakabatou Jan 2018 #96
Russia and Wales and England. Yonnie3 Jan 2018 #97
My father from Portugal (Algarve) Basic LA Jan 2018 #98
Italy/England/The Netherlands smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #99
Lithuania (or Russia, depending on the year and the borders) and White Russia no_hypocrisy Jan 2018 #101
Sicily, Scotland, Ireland. nt tblue37 Jan 2018 #102
My grandparents were from Germany, Scotland and Ireland Squaredeal Jan 2018 #105
I kind of can't play the "my ancestors were oppressed too" game -- rogerashton Jan 2018 #106
Denmark handmade34 Jan 2018 #107
Ireland on both sides. Itchinjim Jan 2018 #108
My ancestors come from the planet Krypton, it's a shithole too SummerSnow Jan 2018 #110
Right there. Google street view Norway IADEMO2004 Jan 2018 #111
Fjords? nt zanana1 Jan 2018 #113
I don't know if Bandak could be called a fjord. IADEMO2004 Jan 2018 #120
As long as you're not pining for the fjords.... Maeve Jan 2018 #124
Turkey. It was a shithole in World War 1. . . DinahMoeHum Jan 2018 #112
Armenian? ornotna Jan 2018 #126
Yes. DinahMoeHum Jan 2018 #127
You're probably right ornotna Jan 2018 #135
Pittsburgh born Heinz 57 Variety of Shithole Countries here!... Guilded Lilly Jan 2018 #117
Poland/Lithuania agingdem Jan 2018 #118
Scots-Irish from Northern Ireland in mid 1700s (paternal) & 1700s From England (maternal). CottonBear Jan 2018 #119
Czechoslovakia Iahotdog Jan 2018 #121
To be honest customerserviceguy Jan 2018 #125
Hungary, Ireland, and Armenia, mainly. kskiska Jan 2018 #128
Cut it out! Cut it out! Cut it out! The hell's the matter with you?! Stupid! Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #129
Africa and the Caribbean Eugene Jan 2018 #130
good question! Takket Jan 2018 #131
All four of my grandparents came from Spain. skylucy Jan 2018 #132
Germany on dad's side, UK via Canada on mom's side steve2470 Jan 2018 #133
Ireland. It was a shithole back then. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2018 #134
All 4 grandparents came from Southern Italy louis c Jan 2018 #136
Several MrsKirkley Jan 2018 #137
Too many to count. But mostly French Canadian. boston bean Jan 2018 #139
Romania and Hungary ellie Jan 2018 #141
Czech Republic Evergreen Emerald Jan 2018 #142

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
1. Ireland and Germany/Austria
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:25 PM
Jan 2018

My Grandpa talked about how he would not get hired for a job and they would say they didn't hire the drunken Irish.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,999 posts)
2. Norway. But in the 19th century, Norway was, if not a shithole,
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:26 PM
Jan 2018

not very prosperous. There were small farms but the terrain is too hilly and rocky for extensive farming; or people could be sailors or fishermen. A lot of Norwegians left for the U.S. in those days but I'm beginning to wish my GG-grandfather had stayed put. Some other ancestors came from Scotland in the late 17th century, probably for a lot of the same reasons.

livetohike

(22,172 posts)
7. Dad and all four Grandparents were from Czechoslovakia.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:29 PM
Jan 2018

Steelworkers and the Union Railroad worker here in Pgh. Dad was a WWII and Merchant Marine vet. So disgusted right now. Called my Senators and Rep. What line does Trump have to cross before they shitcan him?

Response to livetohike (Reply #7)

geardaddy

(24,933 posts)
11. The ones I know that came here after the Revolution
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:32 PM
Jan 2018

were from the shithole of Wales. They worked in the PA coal mines, too.

Most of the others, as far as I know were born in the colonies. Maybe a couple from the shithole of Germany in the early 19th century.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
12. Norway, Sweden, Mexico and England
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:32 PM
Jan 2018

3rd generation Mexican-Scandinavian here.

So a healthy mix of shithole and acceptable I guess (for fuck's sake...our president is racist asshole)

ariadne0614

(1,747 posts)
104. Me too!
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:53 AM
Jan 2018

Norway and Mexico. My maternal grandparents were fleeing poverty, and on my father’s side a revolution. Potent chemistry resulted when their offspring met at a New Year’s Eve dance in 1946-47.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
123. My grandpa's family were fleeing the Revolution!
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:00 AM
Jan 2018

I only know about my mom's side (my dad's side I think is English)... my grandma's parents came from Sweden and Norway. My grandpa's parents ended up in Iowa (railroad work...so many people think that Mexicans in Iowa are new migrant farmers....when a lot have been there for nearly 100 yrs). My grandpa followed the railroad work to Northern Minnesota. Let me tell you...the arrival of a dashing Latino in the late 1940's had all the Scandinavian ladies wanting him. So my grandma took no chances, (she PROUDLY told us this) - she seduced him so he had to marry her (cue looking at my eldest uncle and everyone doing the math in their heads). They had 6 kids and were married over 55 yrs.

Their love was so strong and amazing. One of my uncles met his wife when he was in the service in the 70's - she is from Thailand and such a beautiful and loving woman. Our family has a great mix of ethnicities- and of course we are all gorgeous even if we don't always look like we come from the same family. We have short round and brown (mostly the Mexican side), tall and blond, blue eyes, brown eyes, straight hair, kinky curly hair, freckles, fair skin, dark skin (in summer). My grandpa was in the service, 4 of their 5 sons (my mom and her other brother couldn't serve for medical reasons) was in a separate branch of service, and that tradition has continued with my cousins and their kids.

lapfog_1

(29,243 posts)
13. England, Ireland, Holland, and North America (Cherokee and Blackfoot)
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:33 PM
Jan 2018

and North America was not a shithole until people like the Drumpfs showed up

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
45. Your Native Americans should have kept the rest of us shitholes out
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:30 PM
Jan 2018

Mine are from

Ireland, Germany, Denmark

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)
15. My ancestors were Irish and British miners who
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:33 PM
Jan 2018

came here to work in copper, silver and gold mines in the US. Poor working people all. They were treated like shit, despite the places they came from. After a couple of generations, though, that stigma disappeared.

HAB911

(8,956 posts)
116. gee, we seem to be a minority!
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:33 AM
Jan 2018

mine traced back to 1600's NY, eventually settled in GA in 1800's via PA, SC

hlthe2b

(102,557 posts)
17. 30% Ireland, 30% Germany and somewhere in Scandinavia (Noway, Denmark, Sweden)
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:34 PM
Jan 2018

So, I guess 30% of my ancestors weren't from "Shithole" countries?

ciao_bella

(8 posts)
19. Italy
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:35 PM
Jan 2018

My parents immigrated from Italy after WWII. They came here as newlyweds with just a suitcase each, and a 5th grade education. They each owned their own business (Dad owned his barber shop & Mom ran an alterations business from home). They bought a home and paid it off within 5 years. They lived frugally, saved a sizeable nestegg for their retirement, but also took trips and enjoyed life.
They saved a college fund for my sister and me, and insisted that we get the education they were unable to get. They were productive US citizens their whole lives. Hard working, no-nonsense, strong family values, devout Catholics, helpful to all their neighbors in need. In other words they were an immigrant success story. But they also put up with being called "Wop", Dago", etc.

There was a time decades ago when there was prejudice against Italian (and Catholic) immigrants. Now, the same prejudice exists, but the target group has changed to Muslims, and people from so called "Sh*thole countries. SAD.

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
103. For many years
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:43 AM
Jan 2018

I refused to have my hair cut by anyone who did not have an Italian accent. And a white mustache. But times change.

lucca18

(1,246 posts)
22. Italy and Norway
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:37 PM
Jan 2018

My father grew up on a farm in Iowa. He eventually moved to New York, met my mother and her large wonderful Italian family.

LeftInTX

(25,811 posts)
23. Turkey....it was a shithole..it was bad
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:37 PM
Jan 2018

I'm sure Trump admired casino mogul, Kirk Kirkorian

Others came from the British Isles.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
24. Dad and all the grandparents from Lithuania in the early 20th century
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:39 PM
Jan 2018

I had one maternal great grandfather, Kaspar, who was back and forth. He kept coming over to bring his kids and nephews over. He'd come here, work a while to have enough money to go back and return with another of the younger generation then repeat the process. Altogether he brought at least 4 or 5 of the kids.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
26. from the largest democracy on the globe!
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:44 PM
Jan 2018

India, which has issued something like 800 million voter cards.

phylny

(8,394 posts)
28. Italy, I guess we were the dagos, wops and guineas.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:45 PM
Jan 2018

Of course when my parents moved from Brooklyn to Long Island in 1958, the neighbors thought we were just dirty Italians.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
29. England and France
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:46 PM
Jan 2018

My paternal side settled first went to British West Indies in 1607 and had a son on the way. The son then went to Boston and was married in 1632. I know my while genealogy. I have spent years researching. Thus far I am only able to trace back one more generation to Saint Sidwell in Devon England.

My maternal side came into the US by way of Canada about a century ago. Before that they were from Normandy. I can go back a little farther because the Catholic Church maintained better records. I can go back to the late 15th century.

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
30. Italy and the UK
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:46 PM
Jan 2018

Italian on my fathers side and UK/Native American on my mothers side. My grandfather came to America in 1922 and had to endure various racial slurs, primarily wops and dagos. My father said when he and his friends would go to the local YMCA, they wouldn't allow them to swim unless the showered first, greasy guineas as he and they were called.

Moms grandparents didn't fare much better being labeled sheep shitters.

To think it's 2018 and this crap is still going on, especially with people of color, I am totally pissed off! This cannot stand, period!

MrsMatt

(1,660 posts)
32. Sweden, Germany and Prussia
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:49 PM
Jan 2018

most emigrated in the middle of the 19th century; although my dad's father came on the boat at age 16 from Sweden in 1906.

WilmywoodNCparalegal

(2,654 posts)
33. I'm straight outta shithole
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:49 PM
Jan 2018

since I am an Italian with dual US nationality, but I'm also from one of the wealthiest regions of the Shithole in the shape of a booth and, because I'm northern Italian, I'm KKK-approved. So, am I half shithole? Who knows... I'll wait for President Shithole to tell me.

longship

(40,416 posts)
36. Oh dear! Normay and Fimland!
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:03 PM
Jan 2018

I hope I'm not in too much trouble here. At least I spelt them write, dint I?


ProfessorGAC

(65,426 posts)
37. Sicily (Wops) and Calabria (Dagos)
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:03 PM
Jan 2018

My GF moved here in 1925 (in the no immigrants era) to escape the gradual Mussolini purge of Sicilians
He was a railroad worker, and I mean on the train itself
Came here to be a fireman (coal shoveler) on the Penn Central and moved to Chicago (family already there) to work on the Rock Island as a brakeman, which is what he did in southern Italy
It's why I get black guys using the N word. I use wop, guinea, and dago in my family all the time!
It's a way of diluting the impact, but really Italian Americans haven't had to worry about a fucking thing in my lifetime and I was born in 1956!

 

burnbaby

(685 posts)
44. same blood born in 1958
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:19 PM
Jan 2018

and we did get ridiculed, at least I did. I can remember when my parents bought a cottage in Marshfield/Ma (south of Boston)
we were right on the ocean. I remember walking down to the beach with Patty Monroe, I was 14 so was she. She told me her father was mad that a family of wops bought my house, he said there was no difference between italians and AA and neither were aloud on the beach

I left Boston about 20 years ago, I took my son back to Marshfield about 10 years ago to see my parents etc. They made fun of him on the beach, said he was a nixxa.. My son is half PR, and very dark especially in the summer as I am.

ProfessorGAC

(65,426 posts)
64. I Look Morracan Every Summer
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 05:09 PM
Jan 2018

I get where you're going
Know the last time anybody gave me shit over dark skin and Italian? Never.

ProfessorGAC

(65,426 posts)
100. Very Different Experience Here
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:15 AM
Jan 2018

I'll grant that I grew up in a factory city (around 75,000) people that was quite diverse.
Italians were hardly scarce enough that anybody thought a thing about an Italian neighbor. Practically every neighborhood had some Italians, polish, slavs, you name it. I admit the vast majority of AA citizens lived on the east side of the river, but definitely not all. Plenty of black students went to the west side HS
So, you can probably surmise why I did not hear the kind of stuff you did. Town was pretty broadly diverse

Aristus

(66,530 posts)
39. England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and France.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:05 PM
Jan 2018

My earliest American ancestor arrived in Virginia in 1640. Back then, Britain was a shithole nation. Puritans, and all that...

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
42. Hungary here, too
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:09 PM
Jan 2018

My grandfather lived in Scranton. I now live in Dayton, OH. Trump wouldn't call Hungary a shithole because it's lilly white.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
43. Germany on my Dad's side
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:17 PM
Jan 2018

A far off place called America, on my Mom's side. One is definitely a shit hole and the other, Germany, used to be.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
46. Norway, ironically enough.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:34 PM
Jan 2018

Though it was pretty poor at the time (mid-19th C.).

Also, Ireland, which was something of a shithole at the time due to the British occupiers brutalizing the population.

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
48. Russia and Austria-Hungary.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:36 PM
Jan 2018

Although the ones from Russia were really from the Ukraine (Odessa and Ekatrinaslav) and the ones from Austria-Hungary were from Krakow, which is now Poland. I guess borders used to move around a bit in those shithole countries.

NBachers

(17,190 posts)
49. Potato Famine Ireland; Germany to escape military service.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:36 PM
Jan 2018

The story is, one German came over to avoid fighting in the wars they were always having. Then he sent his passport over to his brother, and his brother came over illegally on the passport. Not stories that are told with shame.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
54. What is now the Slovak Republic.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:43 PM
Jan 2018

It was Austria-Hungary back then but all four of my grandparents were Slovak. I don't know exactly where my mother's parents were from, but my dad's were from a village near Bratislava. My grandmother's family home was still there about 20 years ago.

I am very proud of my Rusyn heritage.

lpbk2713

(42,775 posts)
57. Scotland (Maternal grandparents) and Ireland (Paternal grandparents)
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:49 PM
Jan 2018



All came through Ellis Island.


Lazy drunkards of course.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
60. Somwhere in West Africa. Brought here to work as slave labor for generations.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jan 2018

I didn't realize that DU was almost all white. wow. I assumed there would be more black people here.

sprinkleeninow

(20,270 posts)
62. Same here!
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 04:05 PM
Jan 2018

Maternal and paternal from the Carpathian mountain region of now Slovakia. Then Austria-Hungary.
Many of their relatives settled in PA, but mine in New England.

Grandfather owned a butcher shop for awhile but the depression fixed that. He then worked/ finished working for Carpenter Steel.

I am delighted to be progeny of the Carpatho-Rus heritage they endowed me with.

Husband both sets grandparents from Sweden. I guess he makes the grade better than me for having an acceptable standing. '"sarcasm!"

greatauntoftriplets

(175,775 posts)
84. This is based on a DNA test, not just where everyone came from.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 08:45 PM
Jan 2018

Several are "how the hell did that get in there?", but the saliva doesn't lie apparently.

Mc Mike

(9,118 posts)
122. There was a ton of atypical through flow, genetically, everywhere,
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:59 AM
Jan 2018

going back thousands of years. For so many nations. I remember a PBS story about a genetic tag in Poland (blue dot birthmark at the base of the rear torso) that is matched in China. Apparently, Genghis Khan's people made it as far west as Poland.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
65. Israel
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 05:32 PM
Jan 2018

By way of the Roman Empire's actions in 70AD, then probably Spain, then Prussia/Poland/Germany depending on when you are talking about.

Many have managed to go home.

I was too busy and then too old to start over, which I am increasingly feeling was a major life mistake.

mvd

(65,186 posts)
66. Many European countries
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 06:20 PM
Jan 2018

England and Italy, with some French, Irish, German, Scottish, and Dutch.

zanana1

(6,139 posts)
140. I live on Alsace St.
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:59 AM
Jan 2018

I always have to spell it out for people, and virtually no one pronounces it correctly.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
83. I never understood why you left. The neighborhood went to hell and back afterwards. Now you can't
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 08:44 PM
Jan 2018

tell Shit from Shinola.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
144. I beg to differ. "Shinola" the shoe polish came first before the luxury goods Shinola Detroit
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 05:10 PM
Jan 2018

company, though the Shinola Detroit company later developed a shoe polish and legally acquired the name. (see below)

History

The name "Shinola" was trademarked in 1903,[1] and the shoe polish company of that name was founded at 822 Jay Street, Rochester, New York in 1907.[2] The name was thereafter acquired and a new company revived under the old name. It gained popularity during World War I and World War II as an effective shoe polish.
The original trademark was filed to the United States Patent and Trademark Office in 1929 and registered in 1930 by '2 IN 1-SHINOLA-BIXBY CORPORATION' (NJ, USA).[3] According to a review in the trade magazine Commercial America, the tin polish container was notable for having a "key" that could be turned to separate the lid from the can, an innovation of the time.[2] In a 1945 ad that ran in Popular Mechanics magazine, Shinola marketed itself as a wax that could also be used as a polish for scratches in furniture, a polish for linoleum, and a finish for toy models (e.g. airplanes).[4]

Ultimately, the company went out of business in 1960.[5]

In popular culture

Shinola was immortalized in colloquial English by the phrase "You don't know shit from Shinola" which first became widely popular during World War II.[9][10]

In the 1979 film comedy The Jerk, the character Navin R. Johnson (played by Steve Martin) is tested by "Daddy" (Richard Ward) on whether he knows the difference between shit and Shinola before leaving home.[11][12][13]
The phrase was used to a similar effect in Cleopatra Jones.[12]
The 1992 movie Basic Instinct features Gus telling Dr. Lamott, "Most times I can't tell shit from Shinola, Doc. What was all that you just said?"[14][15]
Dolly Parton wrote the song "Shinola" – which also uses a lyric that plays on the colloquial phrase – for her 2008 Backwoods Barbie album.[16]
Ween released a 2005 B-side and unreleased odds and ends compilation album — titled, Shinola, Vol. 1 on Chocodog Records — which plays on the colloquial phrase.[17][18]
The phrase has been grist for the mill for various musicians and artists. See Shinola (Energy Orchard album), an album by early 1990s Irish band Energy Orchard; Shinola (John Scofield album), a live album recorded in 1981 by jazz musician John Scofield;[19] Shinola, an indie rock band from Chapel Hill, North Carolina that existed from 1994–1997;[20] and Shynola, a group of visual artists from the UK that had exhibitions titled "Shinola."[21]
Comedian George Carlin used the phrase in his famously banned shtick, "Filthy Words", a/k/a "Seven dirty words" which became immortalized in FCC v. Pacifica Foundation, a First Amendment constitutional decision by the Supreme Court of the United States.[22]
Shinola Detroit—a luxury lifestyle brand that sells watches, bicycles, Shinola shoe polish, and other goods—legally acquired the name after the company's founder heard the expression "shit from Shinola" used during a dinner party. Comedian Jimmy Kimmel has used the phrase.[23]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinola_(shoe_polish)

Hekate

(91,032 posts)
86. Ireland, England, and Alsace-Lorraine
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 08:46 PM
Jan 2018

The first one here was an English Protestant, a Dissenter, who went to Holland first, and sailed from Leyden to Massachusetts. The Irish came much later, and one was a Quaker tho the rest were Roman Catholic. The folks from Alsace were on my dad's side, and spoke German, tho his family line is also quite Irish. Proud to be American Mutts.

My husband is an immigrant from Belgium, a nice little country. But at the time his parents decided to come to the US (1953) the Holocaust that took most of their relatives in Russia, Austria, Poland, and Belgium was a very recent memory. You could say that for them as Jews, nice white Europe was one anti-Semitic shithole.

People are capable of change. Right now it looks like parts of Western and Northern Europe are doing quite a bit better than we Americans are -- good for them. We need to remember who we are supposed to be.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
91. Italy and Ireland. I got DNA from Other Shitholes, I mean, Garden Spots
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:32 PM
Jan 2018

My grandparents emigrated from Europe in the early twentieth century. My maternal grandfather was an orphan at age 9 and made the Atlantic crossing from Italy with his 10 year old brother. He went back to his ancestral village, found a wife and brought her over from the old country. My paternal grandfather came from Ireland around 1902 and went back and forth several times before finally staying in 1919. They came poor. They built lives, paid taxes, sent kids to college and to war.

My DNA tells me I have Greek and Turkish too. The smallest part of my ancestry is Norwegian. I only know this from medical testing for breast cancer revealed I have a genetic mutation found in Norwegians. Probably got it from some Viking who "visited" Ireland. At 5'2'' I wish this potential Viking ancestor had bequeathed me with more physical height than a greater risk for breast cancer, but what are you going to do? Feh.

Glorfindel

(9,747 posts)
92. England and Scotland, from the border regions prior to 1700
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:32 PM
Jan 2018

Some of them settled on Long Island and some in Maryland, drifted south to North Carolina and Tennessee and from there to the mountains of north Georgia.

Yonnie3

(17,516 posts)
97. Russia and Wales and England.
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:37 PM
Jan 2018

From Russia before the Russian revolution. Some of the Welsh/English were here in the colonial times. I suspect there may be other countries as well.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
99. Italy/England/The Netherlands
Fri Jan 12, 2018, 10:29 PM
Jan 2018

The Italians came here not knowing a word of English and picked it up in one generation, the second generation went to college. They were proud to be Americans and worked hard to fit in and give their children a better life. Fuck Trump!

no_hypocrisy

(46,312 posts)
101. Lithuania (or Russia, depending on the year and the borders) and White Russia
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:20 AM
Jan 2018

In other words: Eastern European Ashkenazi JEWS

Squaredeal

(404 posts)
105. My grandparents were from Germany, Scotland and Ireland
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:55 AM
Jan 2018

Poverty brought them here. They worked hard all their lives. Ironically, my daughter and her husband are trying to emigrate to Germany, having experienced and lived in a society the past three years that helps everyone have a decent life. The American Dream is dead.

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
106. I kind of can't play the "my ancestors were oppressed too" game --
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:57 AM
Jan 2018

since they mostly came to this continent with the intention of stealing land, and were pretty successful at it. I just wish they had stolen some land in Manhattan, rather than Lincoln County.

The great-grandfathers mostly had British surnames, predominantly Norman and Celtic. But the genome came back 50% "Western Europe," 1/3 England, 1/6 Ireland-Scotland-Wales, and a smattering each of Scandinavian, Finno-Russian, and Spanish. Like I say, Normans.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
110. My ancestors come from the planet Krypton, it's a shithole too
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:11 AM
Jan 2018

I think it blew up though.lol.


Africa, that continent Trump calls the shit hole.My gg grandfather was brought here from Africa. His son was a soldier in the Civil War. He fought in the Colored Infantry.

ornotna

(10,810 posts)
135. You're probably right
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:57 AM
Jan 2018

Possibly Greek. They didn't have it as bad as the Armenians though. The Ottoman Turks were a nasty lot.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
117. Pittsburgh born Heinz 57 Variety of Shithole Countries here!...
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:38 AM
Jan 2018

Scotland, England, Wales, Germany, Netherlands, Canada (Native American Blackfoot)

CottonBear

(21,598 posts)
119. Scots-Irish from Northern Ireland in mid 1700s (paternal) & 1700s From England (maternal).
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:42 AM
Jan 2018

My family settled in the mountains of what is now Western North Carolina and also in upstate South Carolina.

The Scots-Irish left Scotland for what is now Northern Ireland before immigrating to America.

My dad’s family are all Presbyterian (typical for Scots-Irish) and my mom’s were Baptist.

A few years ago, I met some nice folks from Northern Ireland who were visiting my city.

I immediately thought “my people!” LOL! They looked just like my dad’s family and me!

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
125. To be honest
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:14 AM
Jan 2018

certainly for most of the last five hundred years while Europeans were colonizing the Americas, you could well describe the places they came from as shitholes. In all of Europe, you had a rich royal class that owned nearly everything of value, you had religiously-motivated wars that killed millions, and you had conditions where diseases were rampant. Add to that the lack of religious, association, and speech freedoms, and you can see why so many risked a potentially deadly long sea voyage to escape.

I have used the term Third World hellholes to describe places that exist today in the same aspects that I just used to describe Europe in less enjoyable times. Can I disparage a place without necessarily disparaging its people? Can the residents of other nations protest what the United States does without necessarily condemning 100% of its voters?

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,798 posts)
129. Cut it out! Cut it out! Cut it out! The hell's the matter with you?! Stupid!
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:28 AM
Jan 2018
We're all very different people. We're not Watusi. We're not Spartans. We're Americans, with a capital 'A', huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! Here's proof: his nose is cold! But there's no animal that's more faithful, that's more loyal, more loveable than the mutt. Who saw Old Yeller? Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end? [raises his hand] Nobody cried when Old Yeller got shot? I'm sure. [hands are reluctantly raised] I cried my eyes out. [even more hands go up] So we're all dogfaces. We're all very, very different, but there is one thing that we all have in common: we were all stupid enough to enlist in the Army. We're mutants. There's something wrong with us, something very, very wrong with us. Something seriously wrong with us! We're soldiers, but we're American soldiers! We've been kickin' ass for 200 years! We're 10 and 1! Now we don't have to worry about whether or not we practiced. We don't have to worry about whether Captain Stillman wants to have us hung. All we have to do is to be the great American fighting soldier that is inside each one of us. Now do what I do, and say what I say. And make me proud. Fall in!


I don't know who wrote it (presumably Harold Ramis, Len Blum, and/or Daniel Goldberg), but Bill Murray said it in the film Stripes back in 1981.

Takket

(21,709 posts)
131. good question!
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:33 AM
Jan 2018

My mother's side all are Portuguese immigrants from the shithole islands of the Azores. On my father's side I am mostly from the shithole country of Italy but I've been told there is some shithole Irish and English mixed in there too.

My grandmother was Catholic born on a military base in Hawaii but I don't believe it. I think she's a Kenyan Muslim.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
133. Germany on dad's side, UK via Canada on mom's side
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:44 AM
Jan 2018

I guess the more elitist colonists would have called the German immigrants "shithole refugees". We almost had German for our language.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,384 posts)
134. Ireland. It was a shithole back then.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:47 AM
Jan 2018

It has improved.

They just needed to switch from a potato-based economy to a beer-based economy.

Sláinte!

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