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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, what "Shithole" country did your ancestors come from?
Mine were Austro-Hungrians and were called the Hunkies who went to work in the Pennsylvania coal mines and later the steel/glass factories below Pittsburgh.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)My Grandpa talked about how he would not get hired for a job and they would say they didn't hire the drunken Irish.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,999 posts)not very prosperous. There were small farms but the terrain is too hilly and rocky for extensive farming; or people could be sailors or fishermen. A lot of Norwegians left for the U.S. in those days but I'm beginning to wish my GG-grandfather had stayed put. Some other ancestors came from Scotland in the late 17th century, probably for a lot of the same reasons.
maveric
(16,448 posts)IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)Born and raised in PR, so I am from the shithole myself.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)Y'all brought your shitholes to my nation.
MaryMagdaline
(6,859 posts)jpak
(41,761 posts)true
livetohike
(22,172 posts)Steelworkers and the Union Railroad worker here in Pgh. Dad was a WWII and Merchant Marine vet. So disgusted right now. Called my Senators and Rep. What line does Trump have to cross before they shitcan him?
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MaryMagdaline
(6,859 posts)Destitute and illiterate.
maryellen99
(3,790 posts)My great grandmother came over from Ireland when she was 15-16.
geardaddy
(24,933 posts)were from the shithole of Wales. They worked in the PA coal mines, too.
Most of the others, as far as I know were born in the colonies. Maybe a couple from the shithole of Germany in the early 19th century.
nadine_mn
(3,702 posts)3rd generation Mexican-Scandinavian here.
So a healthy mix of shithole and acceptable I guess (for fuck's sake...our president is racist asshole)
ariadne0614
(1,747 posts)Norway and Mexico. My maternal grandparents were fleeing poverty, and on my fathers side a revolution. Potent chemistry resulted when their offspring met at a New Years Eve dance in 1946-47.
nadine_mn
(3,702 posts)I only know about my mom's side (my dad's side I think is English)... my grandma's parents came from Sweden and Norway. My grandpa's parents ended up in Iowa (railroad work...so many people think that Mexicans in Iowa are new migrant farmers....when a lot have been there for nearly 100 yrs). My grandpa followed the railroad work to Northern Minnesota. Let me tell you...the arrival of a dashing Latino in the late 1940's had all the Scandinavian ladies wanting him. So my grandma took no chances, (she PROUDLY told us this) - she seduced him so he had to marry her (cue looking at my eldest uncle and everyone doing the math in their heads). They had 6 kids and were married over 55 yrs.
Their love was so strong and amazing. One of my uncles met his wife when he was in the service in the 70's - she is from Thailand and such a beautiful and loving woman. Our family has a great mix of ethnicities- and of course we are all gorgeous even if we don't always look like we come from the same family. We have short round and brown (mostly the Mexican side), tall and blond, blue eyes, brown eyes, straight hair, kinky curly hair, freckles, fair skin, dark skin (in summer). My grandpa was in the service, 4 of their 5 sons (my mom and her other brother couldn't serve for medical reasons) was in a separate branch of service, and that tradition has continued with my cousins and their kids.
lapfog_1
(29,243 posts)and North America was not a shithole until people like the Drumpfs showed up
Motley13
(3,867 posts)Mine are from
Ireland, Germany, Denmark
lapfog_1
(29,243 posts)hard to fight germ warfare back then
jeffreyi
(1,946 posts)Settled in Boston. "Shanty Irish", "Irish as Paddy's Pig", all that stuff.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)came here to work in copper, silver and gold mines in the US. Poor working people all. They were treated like shit, despite the places they came from. After a couple of generations, though, that stigma disappeared.
HAB911
(8,956 posts)zanana1
(6,139 posts)HAB911
(8,956 posts)mine traced back to 1600's NY, eventually settled in GA in 1800's via PA, SC
hlthe2b
(102,557 posts)So, I guess 30% of my ancestors weren't from "Shithole" countries?
stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)underpants
(183,041 posts)My parents immigrated from Italy after WWII. They came here as newlyweds with just a suitcase each, and a 5th grade education. They each owned their own business (Dad owned his barber shop & Mom ran an alterations business from home). They bought a home and paid it off within 5 years. They lived frugally, saved a sizeable nestegg for their retirement, but also took trips and enjoyed life.
They saved a college fund for my sister and me, and insisted that we get the education they were unable to get. They were productive US citizens their whole lives. Hard working, no-nonsense, strong family values, devout Catholics, helpful to all their neighbors in need. In other words they were an immigrant success story. But they also put up with being called "Wop", Dago", etc.
There was a time decades ago when there was prejudice against Italian (and Catholic) immigrants. Now, the same prejudice exists, but the target group has changed to Muslims, and people from so called "Sh*thole countries. SAD.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)I refused to have my hair cut by anyone who did not have an Italian accent. And a white mustache. But times change.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Which was, is and will always be a shithole.
Iggo
(47,597 posts)lucca18
(1,246 posts)My father grew up on a farm in Iowa. He eventually moved to New York, met my mother and her large wonderful Italian family.
LeftInTX
(25,811 posts)I'm sure Trump admired casino mogul, Kirk Kirkorian
Others came from the British Isles.
eleny
(46,166 posts)I had one maternal great grandfather, Kaspar, who was back and forth. He kept coming over to bring his kids and nephews over. He'd come here, work a while to have enough money to go back and return with another of the younger generation then repeat the process. Altogether he brought at least 4 or 5 of the kids.
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)India, which has issued something like 800 million voter cards.
gopiscrap
(23,768 posts)phylny
(8,394 posts)Of course when my parents moved from Brooklyn to Long Island in 1958, the neighbors thought we were just dirty Italians.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)My paternal side settled first went to British West Indies in 1607 and had a son on the way. The son then went to Boston and was married in 1632. I know my while genealogy. I have spent years researching. Thus far I am only able to trace back one more generation to Saint Sidwell in Devon England.
My maternal side came into the US by way of Canada about a century ago. Before that they were from Normandy. I can go back a little farther because the Catholic Church maintained better records. I can go back to the late 15th century.
nightwing1240
(1,996 posts)Italian on my fathers side and UK/Native American on my mothers side. My grandfather came to America in 1922 and had to endure various racial slurs, primarily wops and dagos. My father said when he and his friends would go to the local YMCA, they wouldn't allow them to swim unless the showered first, greasy guineas as he and they were called.
Moms grandparents didn't fare much better being labeled sheep shitters.
To think it's 2018 and this crap is still going on, especially with people of color, I am totally pissed off! This cannot stand, period!
kimbutgar
(21,284 posts)MrsMatt
(1,660 posts)most emigrated in the middle of the 19th century; although my dad's father came on the boat at age 16 from Sweden in 1906.
WilmywoodNCparalegal
(2,654 posts)since I am an Italian with dual US nationality, but I'm also from one of the wealthiest regions of the Shithole in the shape of a booth and, because I'm northern Italian, I'm KKK-approved. So, am I half shithole? Who knows... I'll wait for President Shithole to tell me.
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)klook
(12,174 posts)as is true of all humans, if you go back far enough.
zanana1
(6,139 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)I hope I'm not in too much trouble here. At least I spelt them write, dint I?
ProfessorGAC
(65,426 posts)My GF moved here in 1925 (in the no immigrants era) to escape the gradual Mussolini purge of Sicilians
He was a railroad worker, and I mean on the train itself
Came here to be a fireman (coal shoveler) on the Penn Central and moved to Chicago (family already there) to work on the Rock Island as a brakeman, which is what he did in southern Italy
It's why I get black guys using the N word. I use wop, guinea, and dago in my family all the time!
It's a way of diluting the impact, but really Italian Americans haven't had to worry about a fucking thing in my lifetime and I was born in 1956!
burnbaby
(685 posts)and we did get ridiculed, at least I did. I can remember when my parents bought a cottage in Marshfield/Ma (south of Boston)
we were right on the ocean. I remember walking down to the beach with Patty Monroe, I was 14 so was she. She told me her father was mad that a family of wops bought my house, he said there was no difference between italians and AA and neither were aloud on the beach
I left Boston about 20 years ago, I took my son back to Marshfield about 10 years ago to see my parents etc. They made fun of him on the beach, said he was a nixxa.. My son is half PR, and very dark especially in the summer as I am.
ProfessorGAC
(65,426 posts)I get where you're going
Know the last time anybody gave me shit over dark skin and Italian? Never.
ProfessorGAC
(65,426 posts)I'll grant that I grew up in a factory city (around 75,000) people that was quite diverse.
Italians were hardly scarce enough that anybody thought a thing about an Italian neighbor. Practically every neighborhood had some Italians, polish, slavs, you name it. I admit the vast majority of AA citizens lived on the east side of the river, but definitely not all. Plenty of black students went to the west side HS
So, you can probably surmise why I did not hear the kind of stuff you did. Town was pretty broadly diverse
cloudbase
(5,532 posts)My father from Bulgaria.
I'm an all-American mutt.
Aristus
(66,530 posts)My earliest American ancestor arrived in Virginia in 1640. Back then, Britain was a shithole nation. Puritans, and all that...
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Anything from Napoli south is a shitty shithole
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)My grandfather lived in Scranton. I now live in Dayton, OH. Trump wouldn't call Hungary a shithole because it's lilly white.
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)A far off place called America, on my Mom's side. One is definitely a shit hole and the other, Germany, used to be.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Though it was pretty poor at the time (mid-19th C.).
Also, Ireland, which was something of a shithole at the time due to the British occupiers brutalizing the population.
Bad Thoughts
(2,541 posts)Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)Although the ones from Russia were really from the Ukraine (Odessa and Ekatrinaslav) and the ones from Austria-Hungary were from Krakow, which is now Poland. I guess borders used to move around a bit in those shithole countries.
NBachers
(17,190 posts)The story is, one German came over to avoid fighting in the wars they were always having. Then he sent his passport over to his brother, and his brother came over illegally on the passport. Not stories that are told with shame.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,717 posts)Among the original Ohio River Valley settlers 1700-1750!
tenderfoot
(8,439 posts)marybourg
(12,650 posts)(beyond the Pale of Settlement). Talk about shitholes!
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)It was Austria-Hungary back then but all four of my grandparents were Slovak. I don't know exactly where my mother's parents were from, but my dad's were from a village near Bratislava. My grandmother's family home was still there about 20 years ago.
I am very proud of my Rusyn heritage.
irisblue
(33,058 posts)Hard times there in 1890. Pogroms
lkinwi
(1,477 posts)lpbk2713
(42,775 posts)All came through Ellis Island.
Lazy drunkards of course.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I have shit in Ireland but not in Poland
Toilet List
Kingofalldems
(38,511 posts)SweetieD
(1,660 posts)I didn't realize that DU was almost all white. wow. I assumed there would be more black people here.
Iggo
(47,597 posts)Hekate
(91,032 posts)But yeah, there was a falling off of members
ornotna
(10,810 posts)Dads side and Moms side. 🇵🇱🏴
sprinkleeninow
(20,270 posts)Maternal and paternal from the Carpathian mountain region of now Slovakia. Then Austria-Hungary.
Many of their relatives settled in PA, but mine in New England.
Grandfather owned a butcher shop for awhile but the depression fixed that. He then worked/ finished working for Carpenter Steel.
I am delighted to be progeny of the Carpatho-Rus heritage they endowed me with.
Husband both sets grandparents from Sweden. I guess he makes the grade better than me for having an acceptable standing. '"sarcasm!"
greatauntoftriplets
(175,775 posts)Ireland
UK
France
Luxembourg
Switzerland
Germany
Denmark
Italy
Portugal
Mc Mike
(9,118 posts)Tiocfaidh ar la.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,775 posts)Several are "how the hell did that get in there?", but the saliva doesn't lie apparently.
Mc Mike
(9,118 posts)going back thousands of years. For so many nations. I remember a PBS story about a genetic tag in Poland (blue dot birthmark at the base of the rear torso) that is matched in China. Apparently, Genghis Khan's people made it as far west as Poland.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)By way of the Roman Empire's actions in 70AD, then probably Spain, then Prussia/Poland/Germany depending on when you are talking about.
Many have managed to go home.
I was too busy and then too old to start over, which I am increasingly feeling was a major life mistake.
mvd
(65,186 posts)England and Italy, with some French, Irish, German, Scottish, and Dutch.
Vinca
(50,334 posts)moonscape
(4,676 posts)I'm 1st generation.
End Of The Road
(1,397 posts)Emigrated to avoid prosecution for horse thievery, and I'm damn proud of it.
zanana1
(6,139 posts)I always have to spell it out for people, and virtually no one pronounces it correctly.
jalan48
(13,916 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)England, Ireland, France, Germany, Holland.
Mc Mike
(9,118 posts)Glassport? Mill hunkies?
eppur_se_muova
(36,317 posts)Or as they called it, "the Old Country".
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)tell Shit from Shinola.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,384 posts)Shinola is made in Detroit.
See the difference?
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)company, though the Shinola Detroit company later developed a shoe polish and legally acquired the name. (see below)
History
In popular culture
In the 1979 film comedy The Jerk, the character Navin R. Johnson (played by Steve Martin) is tested by "Daddy" (Richard Ward) on whether he knows the difference between shit and Shinola before leaving home.[11][12][13]
The phrase was used to a similar effect in Cleopatra Jones.[12]
The 1992 movie Basic Instinct features Gus telling Dr. Lamott, "Most times I can't tell shit from Shinola, Doc. What was all that you just said?"[14][15]
Dolly Parton wrote the song "Shinola" which also uses a lyric that plays on the colloquial phrase for her 2008 Backwoods Barbie album.[16]
Ween released a 2005 B-side and unreleased odds and ends compilation album titled, Shinola, Vol. 1 on Chocodog Records which plays on the colloquial phrase.[17][18]
The phrase has been grist for the mill for various musicians and artists. See Shinola (Energy Orchard album), an album by early 1990s Irish band Energy Orchard; Shinola (John Scofield album), a live album recorded in 1981 by jazz musician John Scofield;[19] Shinola, an indie rock band from Chapel Hill, North Carolina that existed from 19941997;[20] and Shynola, a group of visual artists from the UK that had exhibitions titled "Shinola."[21]
Comedian George Carlin used the phrase in his famously banned shtick, "Filthy Words", a/k/a "Seven dirty words" which became immortalized in FCC v. Pacifica Foundation, a First Amendment constitutional decision by the Supreme Court of the United States.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinola_(shoe_polish)
doc03
(35,454 posts)GP6971
(31,275 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)AJT
(5,240 posts)CatMor
(6,212 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Hekate
(91,032 posts)The first one here was an English Protestant, a Dissenter, who went to Holland first, and sailed from Leyden to Massachusetts. The Irish came much later, and one was a Quaker tho the rest were Roman Catholic. The folks from Alsace were on my dad's side, and spoke German, tho his family line is also quite Irish. Proud to be American Mutts.
My husband is an immigrant from Belgium, a nice little country. But at the time his parents decided to come to the US (1953) the Holocaust that took most of their relatives in Russia, Austria, Poland, and Belgium was a very recent memory. You could say that for them as Jews, nice white Europe was one anti-Semitic shithole.
People are capable of change. Right now it looks like parts of Western and Northern Europe are doing quite a bit better than we Americans are -- good for them. We need to remember who we are supposed to be.
Scotland
Ireland
England
France
Sicily
Spain
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,899 posts)Until I get my Ancestry DNA done, could be more .
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)zanana1
(6,139 posts)TheOther95Percent
(1,035 posts)My grandparents emigrated from Europe in the early twentieth century. My maternal grandfather was an orphan at age 9 and made the Atlantic crossing from Italy with his 10 year old brother. He went back to his ancestral village, found a wife and brought her over from the old country. My paternal grandfather came from Ireland around 1902 and went back and forth several times before finally staying in 1919. They came poor. They built lives, paid taxes, sent kids to college and to war.
My DNA tells me I have Greek and Turkish too. The smallest part of my ancestry is Norwegian. I only know this from medical testing for breast cancer revealed I have a genetic mutation found in Norwegians. Probably got it from some Viking who "visited" Ireland. At 5'2'' I wish this potential Viking ancestor had bequeathed me with more physical height than a greater risk for breast cancer, but what are you going to do? Feh.
Glorfindel
(9,747 posts)Some of them settled on Long Island and some in Maryland, drifted south to North Carolina and Tennessee and from there to the mountains of north Georgia.
mcar
(42,469 posts)onecaliberal
(33,000 posts)spinbaby
(15,095 posts)Mainly from the area thats now Poland near the Russian border.
sakabatou
(42,204 posts)I only know one for sure though: Lithuania.
Yonnie3
(17,516 posts)From Russia before the Russian revolution. Some of the Welsh/English were here in the colonial times. I suspect there may be other countries as well.
Basic LA
(2,047 posts)Also, my mother's parents were from Portugal (Azores).
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)The Italians came here not knowing a word of English and picked it up in one generation, the second generation went to college. They were proud to be Americans and worked hard to fit in and give their children a better life. Fuck Trump!
no_hypocrisy
(46,312 posts)In other words: Eastern European Ashkenazi JEWS
tblue37
(65,551 posts)Squaredeal
(404 posts)Poverty brought them here. They worked hard all their lives. Ironically, my daughter and her husband are trying to emigrate to Germany, having experienced and lived in a society the past three years that helps everyone have a decent life. The American Dream is dead.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)since they mostly came to this continent with the intention of stealing land, and were pretty successful at it. I just wish they had stolen some land in Manhattan, rather than Lincoln County.
The great-grandfathers mostly had British surnames, predominantly Norman and Celtic. But the genome came back 50% "Western Europe," 1/3 England, 1/6 Ireland-Scotland-Wales, and a smattering each of Scandinavian, Finno-Russian, and Spanish. Like I say, Normans.
handmade34
(22,759 posts)mostly... a bit Ireland, Germany and the Middle East
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2017/0915/Reading-writing-and-empathy-How-Denmark-is-a-leader-in-teaching-social-skills
Itchinjim
(3,085 posts)Black Irish on both sides to be precise.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)I think it blew up though.lol.
Africa, that continent Trump calls the shit hole.My gg grandfather was brought here from Africa. His son was a soldier in the Civil War. He fought in the Colored Infantry.
IADEMO2004
(5,580 posts)zanana1
(6,139 posts)IADEMO2004
(5,580 posts)Maeve
(42,311 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,835 posts). . .ancestors were refugees from genocide.
ornotna
(10,810 posts)That was a bad time for a lot of people.
DinahMoeHum
(21,835 posts)So is "LeftInTEX", I believe. (post #23)
ornotna
(10,810 posts)Possibly Greek. They didn't have it as bad as the Armenians though. The Ottoman Turks were a nasty lot.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Scotland, England, Wales, Germany, Netherlands, Canada (Native American Blackfoot)
agingdem
(7,875 posts)By way of Auschwitz
CottonBear
(21,598 posts)My family settled in the mountains of what is now Western North Carolina and also in upstate South Carolina.
The Scots-Irish left Scotland for what is now Northern Ireland before immigrating to America.
My dads family are all Presbyterian (typical for Scots-Irish) and my moms were Baptist.
A few years ago, I met some nice folks from Northern Ireland who were visiting my city.
I immediately thought my people! LOL! They looked just like my dads family and me!
Iahotdog
(119 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)certainly for most of the last five hundred years while Europeans were colonizing the Americas, you could well describe the places they came from as shitholes. In all of Europe, you had a rich royal class that owned nearly everything of value, you had religiously-motivated wars that killed millions, and you had conditions where diseases were rampant. Add to that the lack of religious, association, and speech freedoms, and you can see why so many risked a potentially deadly long sea voyage to escape.
I have used the term Third World hellholes to describe places that exist today in the same aspects that I just used to describe Europe in less enjoyable times. Can I disparage a place without necessarily disparaging its people? Can the residents of other nations protest what the United States does without necessarily condemning 100% of its voters?
kskiska
(27,051 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)I don't know who wrote it (presumably Harold Ramis, Len Blum, and/or Daniel Goldberg), but Bill Murray said it in the film Stripes back in 1981.
Eugene
(61,974 posts)That Foul Orange One hit very close to home.
Takket
(21,709 posts)My mother's side all are Portuguese immigrants from the shithole islands of the Azores. On my father's side I am mostly from the shithole country of Italy but I've been told there is some shithole Irish and English mixed in there too.
My grandmother was Catholic born on a military base in Hawaii but I don't believe it. I think she's a Kenyan Muslim.
skylucy
(3,748 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)I guess the more elitist colonists would have called the German immigrants "shithole refugees". We almost had German for our language.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,384 posts)It has improved.
They just needed to switch from a potato-based economy to a beer-based economy.
Sláinte!
louis c
(8,652 posts)MrsKirkley
(180 posts)The main 3: England, Germany, Italy
boston bean
(36,225 posts)ellie
(6,929 posts)My father's parents were Roma.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,071 posts)Bohemian.