However, I will answer.

I do not normally get angry quickly, and that has been the case with tRump. Today, I felt the snap inside. It takes a certain amount of pushing to get me over that edge, and it happened today.

I have no control over this.

The main, important thing is: I did get there. How many have not?

with so many journalists, TV personalities and others, including some politicians on the subject. So many are now saying, "Yes, the evidence is incontrovertible, he is a racist." Something finally snapped with them too.

IMO you don't owe anyone an explanation. And as I read it, your "snap" is at a higher point of intolerance than most other people have reached. If EVERYONE (including your questioner) were "at that point," we'd all be out in the streets, esp. D.C., insisting on his removal in no uncertain terms.

Anyway, I salute you.

I didn't want to leave that unchallenged.

I DO have my reasons.

Trump's just an awful human being in the way he regards others and the entire world around him. And that's on top of him being an ignorant, egotistical buffoon.

His shitty remark is about so much more than racism.

===========

I've spent time at each of my children's homes this year and I make sure that I know the nearest facility with emergency services since I can't seem to turn off the DAMN NEWS. Hell I wish it was FAKE NEWS. I wish this whole past year was a FAKE DREAM, a FAKE YEAR, a FAKE PRESIDENT. Like they did with the Dallas TV Show and "Who Shot JR?" I'd love to wake up one morning and find out that this has all been just a BAD DREAM. And I look over at the TV and MSNBC is reporting that President Hillary Clinton has just returned from her first annual Doctor's appointment as President. One can hope can't they?

there was just something about this that made me snap too....I'm just so angry. He's evil personified. I'll be at the Women's March next
Saturday (1/20/18) here in Dallas where I'm temporarily working (and very much missing my home in Redondo Beach). I hope L.A. and some of the other major cities have a decent turnout...

I understand exactly what she means. I'm glad you're so morally superior.

But it did come across as being critical and belittling CaliforniaPeggy. I believe you didn't mean it that way though. You've been here long enough to know and love CaliforniaPeggy as much as all DUers do. She's our DU treasure for sure!

I sure was. YMMV. No worries.

Good grief.

Jimmy Fallon. 'Thank you for spending two years wishing ..., or to put it another way, 'How do you like me now?'

Affordable college, anyone?
Lowering Medicare qualification to 55, anyone?
Lessening income inequality, anyone?
Lessening global warming, anyone?
Requiring police to serve and protect, anyone?
SCOTUS, anyone?
Treating all with respect and justice, regardless of papers, anyone?
Over half a million solar cells on our own homes by the end of her first term?
New infrastructure projects with great new jobs to go with them, anyone?

Yes, we are angry. But too late to undo 2016. We need to turn our anger on the right and work TOGETHER to win in 2018.

when you have angered CaliforniaPeggy, you're done. (s)he is known to be one of the nicest person on this board.

her.

That's where I am at. I am trying to guard my mental health so I can survive this dark period.

I get angry, sad, upset, but then I stop myself. I look for the positive signs. Today it was the widespread condemnation of Trump's horrific shithole remarks. The cancelled trip to England helped, as did hearing of the sole Republican who stood up against Trump's racism.

Each day I try to find some source of hope; some days there is just none to be found.

Everybody has to cope - and resist - in whatever way works for them.

...genuine anger.

Assuaging it will be cathartic, I think.

sorry California Peggy.....

Snapped like a twig.... pissed off ever since.

... or were they multiple flashbacks to the same bad acid?

-- Mal

Just a euphemism..... I think

It has disturbed me beyond belief to see this ignorant, incompetent, racist, bullying, misogynistic, pathetic excuse
for a human being occupying the White House. Every day he does something more to destroy this country
or its reputation. I cannot watch him on TV without screaming at the TV.

But it was only today that I actually sent an e-mail to the White House telling President Shithole he needs
to resign because he is a disgrace to the Office, his party, and the country.

He's the worst kind of evil, he shows his support by being silent...and that makes him even more of a threat then Trump!!!

He however, does not tweet at 3 a.m., nor does he lead with his intemperate mouth, the way tRump does.

He understands diplomacy and how government works.

about Pence. He along the all the Koch brother acolytes might just destroy every social program that has made this country what it is. Turning the country into the Ayn Rand fantasy land they have dreamed of for years.

Fuck that!

And of course they'll try to destroy our social programs.........they've already said they would.

We will stop them.

And then insert the smooth one to do the really dirty work.

Pence is a malevolent virus, part of the much holier than anyone party.

Be very careful.

You are on your way to the hospital for out-patient cancer therapy and a car T-bones you at an intersection, resulting in a severed artery in your neck. When the ambulance rolls in to the hospital, the medicos will turn immediately to the gushing artery as it poses an imminent risk to your life. The cancer, certainly dangerous in its own right, will be dealt with only once the bleeding has been staunched and you can focus solely on the unique danger it poses.

Makes sense to me. We get rid of Trump first and then deal with Father Pence.

Over the years I have come to know you as a very measured and well thought out person. Very conscientious.

You wouldn't want a President removed because they just really stink or based on a lot of assumptions.

"He has to go. NOW."

Most places that is a very bold statement. Not here. You will catch a little flack for it but who cares. I get the depth of your statement and the fact that it is not rash or based in raw emotion simply makes it that much stronger.

Something needs to break sooner rather than later.

I've done a lot of thinking about this and today it all coalesced into that snap moment.

Thank you!

Every time you think it can't possibly get worse, it does. Then there is the collective gasp, a few outraged Dems. and repugs., and then we go on until the next time. I'm so passed sick of it.

We are frogs in the pot. We should have been out in the streets a long LONG time ago. Every day more ... and more. Our country we hold dear is quickly fading away. The world is sickened.

Let's schedule the nation wide protests. Moveon.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Women%27s_March

The 2018 Women's March is a planned rally and follow-up to the 2017 Women's March, scheduled to take place on January 20th and 21, 2018. Demonstrations and marches are expected nationwide, primarily on January 20th.[1] Emerging themes of the 2018 events are voting and women running for office.[2] The Women's Marches are coinciding with Impeachment Marches, also being held worldwide. [3]

incident has certainly propelled me to go for sure.

They were there for the women's march the day after the State of the Union address.

There will most likely be many more black leaders out there. I'm sure there will be many more. All women and men Democrats, of course.

There is no NOW.

Everything is on a predetermined clock. We have another bite of the apple in 10 months.

It will allow us to apply breaks. We will not be able to remove him.

In a parliamentary democracy the government would have fallen and new elections would have been called for.

It is no mystery why all the parliamentary democracies of the developed world have universal single payer health care. They consolidate executive and legislative power into a single branch and let them live or die on their record.

We make it worse with the filibuster. Yes we will be able to slow down some of Trump but we will never be able to get really progressive legislation passed because the 20 lowest populated states have 40 Senators and less population than California.

But it is all wasted emotion, we are never going to change to a parliamentary system. We just have to punish the hell out of them at each election.

I recently had a discussion with someone I am close to who we have had to have a "no politics" zone for 20 years. He is a devout Catholic and votes Republican because of the abortion issue. I just met him again and he said, "If the Democrats don't win in a landslide in November the country is finished".

There are NO undecideds left. Everybody has either become a hater of Trump, someone who supported Trump but no longer supports him and the people that will always support him.

The only question is how many Republicans who normally vote in off year elections are going to stay home (or vote Democratic) because they are sickened.

I just returned from a deep red area where one of the Republican House members lives. Not one word was heard in support of Trump or the Republicans. It was all against Trump or a few, very few, who were still against Obama and/or Clinton. There is a huge blue wave coming.

about the huge blue wave coming. I just have my doubts and not much hope that Americans will sort this out in the near future. I wish I could be as optimistic as you, but I no longer trust the voting system in our country.

Large movements of people against a "democratically" elected representative government can affect the sitting powers outside of the normal election cycles.

Impeachment may not be something that the current congress may want to do but they can be convinced it is the right way.

Boycotts against anything related to dump and any of his offshoots may be effective. Include any/all supporters of the 'uglicans. Make the front of the dump's tower and Kushner properties unpleasant for these turd-relations.

Since capitalism (and thievery) run their bits of power, strike them in any endeavor that allows them to make profits.

The 'uglican critters in congress are dropping out like cluster flies as their winter approaches. Help them to GTF out. Of course, they may have already raped this country long enough and have a script that says "at point X, exit stage left - the Dems will be left with your shit."

The Women's March was extremely effective and was widely broadcast. More of these!

I don't think the military will be called out and and I doubt they will obey orders from dump if there are wide-spread protests.

The MSM relies on advertising $$$s. They are VERY sensitive to bottom lines.

I would expect most of the civilized world to not stand by while this democracy is run to the ground. Dump and his cohorts/family might have a nice place to which to escape - I doubt it has a 50 year of little macs for the little don.

The Democratic candidate for President had more votes
Democratic candidates for both Senate and House received more votes than Republican candidates.

We have a federated system that provides massive additional political power for rural areas against urban areas. The 20 least populated states have 40 Senators and less population than the 2 for California.

In a Republic it is perfectly reasonable that occasionally these imbalances will occur. It is now standard. In the last 5 Presidential elections the loser of the popular vote won twice, 40% of the time in this century.

Over the last 5 decades democrats have won the popular vote by a plurality of something like 20 million votes but the fractured system of governance has crippled the majority in achieving their basic policy objectives, health care for all, as an example.

There are the federal vs. states issues with those confounding fathers wanting to guarantee that any arbitrarily sized or shaped state had a big voice at the table (the Senate).

And the state-centered issues where the governor of a state has executive power to do some pretty important things that affect the federal level. And the state congressional districting.

How could this be translated into a parliamentary system? I'm just curious since I'm not a student of government models.

...by is proving to be flawed whe dealing with many more states with far-greater divergence in population?

I guess the Founders set up a more stable system, less likely to collapse, but harder to effect meaningful change.

I wonder if they knew or anticipated how much big money would be able to root into government. It isn't even about having undo influence at this point, it has perverted the whole system at the federal and state levels.

he is beyond incompetent, he is fucking evil to the core

I don't even think President Shithole is capable of laughing. Awful person.

Imagine if he were as competent as he is evil.

I think he is a stupid, incurious, and unempathetic person, propped up by inherited wealth, who has risen *way* beyond his level of incompetence.

Well, and racist. In this day and age, the latter proves the former.

The people who voted for him? Some stupid, some ignorant, some evil.

He has abused people his entire life and he's done it deliberately. Being vindictive towards his peers is one thing. They may be just as bad when they deal with people, but he abuses people who have never done anything to him. Racism isn't something people are born with. It's taught and encouraged by parents, peers and educators. And there is now no doubt whatsoever that he is racist.

Not all racism is equal or hateful. His racism isn't the kind that is based in ignorance or that is mostly benign in his mind. His racism isn't the kind he can keep to himself the way so many other racists can, where you're left wondering if they're racists which is very different from knowing due to blatant and vicious hatred.

Donald Trump's racism is the latter kind. He goes out of his way to block, punish and sideline people of color and Muslims. His racism is evil because his intent is to hurt those he hates.

I never really paid attention to him until I had to, so I don't know much about his previous career. And I wish I didn't have to pay attention to him now.

He is a racist and xenophobic and not fit to hold office! Every day seems to be a new low.

it would piss on his leg.

...And it must have pissed on his leg. That is why he always speaks so disparagingly of dogs.

class.....

I hope many, many more people will snap in the weeks and months to come. The fate of our nation depends on it.

to Al Franken

Let's see what the GOP does about Trump and Greitens

I believe trump couldn't be more vile. And damned if he doesn't always prove me wrong.

What horrors are coming to America because of president ShitHole? Nuclear war obvious. Global Hatred of America, American Civil War, American becomes the new Nazis? Probably a lot of horrors I cannot even imagine.

that the American people elected Eric Cartman president.

Since I realize that the Republicans are in cahoots and propping him up, and willing to sell their souls, and the country, for the gold that Trump is willing to shower on them.

It's an old story, I guess. I just thought our democracy was set up to prevent it. It's not set up to prevent this sort of corruption, when the Congress is in on it.

He'll be in office unless defeated in 2020.

Considering his age, body shape and diet, it can't be overlooked as a possibility.

Ironic that he so fears poisoning that he does it in slow motion on a voluntary basis.

It's time for him to go!

Last edited Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Ask the LGBT community. And he's just as racist. And wants to convert us into a Biblical nation as defined by him. Very, very dangerous.

But he's more hidden, more self-controlled, more "competent". Sessions, and Miller and Bannon were every bit as evil as Trump. And so is Pence.

In a way, it's good that the dog-whistle cover up is blown and the ugly racism is out in the open. People of Color have always known this. But now it's clear to all the people, here and abroad. This is painful but it's like lancing an American boil that's been festering since before the Civil War.

BTW—the base should be called what they really are —the Confederacy Party.

since he is a career politician. Which means he is far more dangerous than the impetuous foul mouthed tRump.

Though I can't bear to look at that smarmy, self-satisfied, sanctimonious face.

inaugurated for emoluments clause, let alone the treason and racism.

Some of those countries would see it as an act of war.

I too felt like he finally crossed a line that is so low that most of us didn't have any idea it was even there.

It was personal for me for a while now, but now I'm really pissed off too. There is nothing that can redeem him in my eyes. Going to prison would only be the beginning of his karmic adjustment as far as I'm concerned.

not sure He will care. He will probably shrug and say "so What?"

That slimeball just would have LIED more convincingly about his motivations.


I actually prefer Trump to standard Republicans. He's too stupid to deceive anyone about what he's really trying to do. That makes him considerably less dangerous.

I happened to walk the streets of DC on January 21, 2017. Fantastic group. People everywhere.

I snapped last December 2016. Friendliness with the russians. In my opinion, his business model included heavy financing by the russians.

Now, I've learned more about money laundering than I ever wanted to know.

Part of my opinion was formed by his bankruptcies, and the news articles that he had no US lenders. Where then did the money come from?

If we hear of a time and place in DC, we'll make it. Union Station is a good starting point for us.

He's distracting us from the real dirty work they're doing behind the scenes while we all carry on about the stuff we can see.

This is why I try not to listen too much to what he says, but rather pay attention to what he causes.

... I think a lot of people thought, after the election results were in, that it would be terrible, but couldn't imagine that there would be no break in the unrelenting, overt embarrassment and outrage by the current usurper of the White House. There have not been two consecutive days since his inauguration that he has not dug a deeper hole, just in his tweets. You're very accustomed to chronic pain, and this is similar: tiresome in the extreme.

Meanwhile, Congress has pretty well established that it is treasonous itself, and that the rape of the country and the destruction of the Federal government are their only concerns. Their actions speak far more eloquently than any of the drool that comes out of their own shitholes.

One ray of light might be seen in the interesting factoid I saw on FB earlier today: 31 GOP incumbents in Congress, far more than ever in the country's history, will not be standing for re-election when their terms are up in November. Whatever the causes of this mass recusal, it could indicate an opportunity to restore some kind of balance to the Federal government, if the Democratic party is capable of seizing it. (An eventuality about which I won't offer any predictions)

Except in the extreme case of rage-starting thermonuclear war (and I would like to say, that of all the jobs in the USA today, the one I would least like to hold is the command of STRATCOM), Mr Trump's ranting and raving are not so important as the conspiracy of the GOP to destroy the country they were elected to serve. The power of a President is limited, but when he serves as a rubber-stamp for the forces of corruption, his ability to put the seal on chaos is multiplied. That's on the domestic side, of course: as for foreign relations, fuggedaboudit, he has already trashed this country's rep with other nations for years to come.

One need not have been naive or even unrealistically optimistic to have hoped that the country could keep its head down, weather the storm, and regain its sanity before being burned to the ground. Resigning oneself to allowing Mr Trump to do his worst is, ultimately, just an indication of lack of a sufficiently apocalyptic imagination to anticipate just how bad that worst could be (and there's more to come, ya know). But hey, in any reasonable world, an imagination that fecund would have been deemed insanity, so it's hardly blameworthy if you couldn't get there before now.

-- Mal

I agree. He's gotta go.

Dump the Trump.

He's not my President... literally. I have not naturalized yet. But maybe I should hurry because I come from a shithole country apparently.

Congress isn't doing it's job because of partisan politics. The judiciary is being gerrymandered or something equivalent to it as we speak. And all the dotard does is sit somewhere and tweet insults to the world.

But he's not an insane child.

Everything he's done has been worse than we could have ever imagined, but this crossed a line that should have led to his immediate removal. I have no idea why he's been allowed to persist in attacking this country and American citizens - and our allies - for so long!

Last edited Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:10 AM - Edit history (1)

Difference being their RW-nutjob rants were based on confabulations.
VS a childish reality that compounds disbelief, leaving us "snowflakes" between stunned disbelief and anger.
I'm certain I'm not the only one on some calming medications to try to endure this debacle. The most upsetting part is there simply is no good way out. Pence? Yes, perhaps a bit more "gentile", but every bit as evil, racist, dictatorial and malevolent in a Crusades-era fashion.
Daily since November, I feel I can only become more appalled. My own "snap" occurred long before then, the moment I heard the "grab 'em by the feline" gaffe. Never considered the Donald as a serious contender for president before that. Yet I had credited far too large a ratio of the American population to have better integrity than to vote for....
That.
My own inner reaction would be to gather every damn fool that voted for this goofball and shout:
"Really?? What did you expect?:

the Democratic nominee in 2016, and Democratic in all those swing states where Democrats were running for Senate and we wouldn't be in the situation we are in.

There was no ambiguity that trump was a racist, sexist, bigot, because that is what he campaigned on

I was at the breaking point long before the election. It was infuriating to watch as even some on who identified as being on the left voted for this disturbed, corrupt clown to help "tear it down" and then rationalized his egregious and harmful assaults on women and people of color. Anyone still doing so is in the same camp as the Nazis and Klan.