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malaise

(269,305 posts)
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 09:04 AM Jan 2018

Support for eugenics never really went away, but this is how it's becoming mainstream...must read

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eugenics-ucl-toby-young-conference-how-it-became-mainstream-a8154316.html
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News broke today that secret eugenics conferences had been held at UCL
I was both horrified and unsurprised to discover that Toby Young (who briefly, yet for too long, held influential office on the board of the Office for Students) wasn’t kidding when he said he supported “progressive eugenics”. Always, as the aphorism has it, listen when people tell you who they are.

Young, a media irritant for decades, has since protested that his noxious views on just about everything have been taken “out of context”, and asked for 50,000 tweets to be taken into consideration.

As far as eugenics go, however, he is bang to rights: an investigation by the London Student newspaper has highlighted his attendance last year at an invitation-only, pro-eugenics conference, which has been held under the noses of London’s academic community since 2015.

The roots of the London Conference on Intelligence (ironically named for a gathering so devoted to unscientific nonsense) are long, and ugly. Their history implicates both political right and left, and swathes of our “great and good”, from HG Wells to Churchill.

The idea of deliberately “improving” the human race is not new: Plato in 381BC considered the desirability of “selective breeding” for the ruling elite. The philosopher imagined a kind of royal key party, where the chosen few would be allocated “breeding partners” by ballot. The children judged the best specimens would then be communally reared, whilst the rest would be destroyed.
I don’t need to catalogue the horrific extremes to which the Nazis took eugenics – the millions of Jews, gay men and lesbians, Roma and Sinti, people of colour, intellectuals and the mentally and physically disabled who were tortured and killed.

This should have been an indelible stain on humanity, so deep and dark it prevented us from ever again treading this bloody road. This was epitomised by the slogan “Never Again” – but in fact, eugenics never went away.

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Support for eugenics never really went away, but this is how it's becoming mainstream...must read (Original Post) malaise Jan 2018 OP
About to read it, but fyi... Princess Turandot Jan 2018 #1
Yep - will delete malaise Jan 2018 #2
It's Alive And Well.... Laxman Jan 2018 #3
Thanks for this malaise Jan 2018 #5
My father's parents came here from Sicily in the early 1900s; my mother's father tblue37 Jan 2018 #16
Louise Mensch supports this guy (unsurprisingly). demmiblue Jan 2018 #4
Reminder that eugenics is STILL LEGAL IN THE U.S. no_hypocrisy Jan 2018 #6
What was also horrific is the way they stole her daughter. StevieM Jan 2018 #10
++++has followed every nazi heaven05 Jan 2018 #7
Well said malaise Jan 2018 #9
still a stain on Vermont History... handmade34 Jan 2018 #8
It's a stain across our malaise Jan 2018 #11
It is a stain that spreads in darkness. Thanks for shing light on it by posting this article. MLAA Jan 2018 #15
Pseudo scientific trappings as a cover for racism. Nothing more. paleotn Jan 2018 #12
Race mixing is actually good for the human race. roamer65 Jan 2018 #13
Eugenics is alive and well in the republican party keithbvadu2 Jan 2018 #14

Princess Turandot

(4,790 posts)
1. About to read it, but fyi...
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 09:21 AM
Jan 2018

That 'PA' in the first line (which actually is the photo's caption) stands for 'PA Images', a UK photo outlet. Before I opened the article and saw the photo, I thought it was a reference to the state of Pennsylvania!

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
3. It's Alive And Well....
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 10:08 AM
Jan 2018

in the Trump administration. I did a post yesterday about the relationship between turn of the 20th Century Immigration and Trump's "shithole" remarks. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210095826 They're related. The House Committee on Immigration and Naturalization that produced the Johnson-Reed Act that limited immigration from "non-desirable" countries and categorized immigrants based upon stereotyped characteristics of people from those countries employed an "Expert Eugenics Agent" named Harry Laughlin to advise them. They wanted to encourage immigration from countries like say......Norway? Johnson-Reed was done away with in 1965 but the sentiment that drove it still lives in the Trump Administration. Jeff Sessions is a big fan:

Jeff Sessions Once Said Restrictions on Jewish and Italian Immigration Were “Good for America”

In seven years we'll have the highest percentage of Americans, non-native born, since the founding of the Republic. Some people think we've always had these numbers, and it's not so, it's very unusual, it's a radical change. When the numbers reached about this high in 1924, the president and Congress changed the policy, and it slowed down immigration significantly, we then assimilated through the 1965 [Immigration Act] and created really the solid middle class of America, with assimilated immigrants, and it was good for America. We passed a law that went far beyond what anybody realized in 1965, and we're on a path to surge far past what the situation was in 1924.


That law also limited immigration from the middle-east and Africa and banned Asian immigration outright. So yes, there will always be people who believe that they're superior to others based upon where they are from and what they look like.

tblue37

(65,550 posts)
16. My father's parents came here from Sicily in the early 1900s; my mother's father
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:18 PM
Jan 2018

was a Russian Jew who came to the US to escape pogroms in Russia. IOW, THREE of my grandparents would have been kept from coming to the US if Jews and Italians had been restricted in the first few years of the 20th century.

My father was a 19-year-old airmen at Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. He joined the Air Force voluntarily to fight for the country in WWII.

My mother was in the Women's Air Corps. Heck, her Jewish immigrant father was also in the U.S. Military.

Those immigrants' grandchildren and great grandchildren have continued the tradition of service to this country, some in the military, some in other ways (for example, my son is in the Foreign Service).

Immigrants and their descendants contribute a lot to this country.

demmiblue

(36,917 posts)
4. Louise Mensch supports this guy (unsurprisingly).
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 10:25 AM
Jan 2018




More about him:

In 2012 Young wrote an article criticising the emphasis on "inclusion" in state schools.[42] Young said "Inclusive. It’s one of those ghastly, politically correct words that have survived the demise of New Labour. Schools have got to be “inclusive” these days. That means wheelchair ramps, the complete works of Alice Walker in the school library...", which some saw as an attack on including disabled children in mainstream education, as well as racism. He denied this charge, saying he was only referring to "dumbing down".[43]


In 2015, Young wrote an article for the Australian magazine Quadrant entitled "The fall of meritocracy". In it he advocated what he termed "progressive eugenics". Young proposed that when the technology for genetically engineered intelligence is practical it should be allowable for a decision to be made by poor parents with low IQs over which embryos should be allowed to develop using intelligence as a marker. "It could help to address the problem of flat-lining inter-generational social mobility", he wrote.[52][53]


Young has come under criticism for comments he made on Twitter, most of which were deleted upon his appointment to the Board of the Office for Students. Young claimed to have posted more than 56,000 tweets, of which 8,439 remain.[60]

These included what a London Evening Standard editorial called "an obsession with commenting on the anatomy of women in the public eye".[61] He referred on Twitter to the cleavage of unnamed female MPs sitting behind Ed Miliband in the Commons in 2011 and 2012. When later challenged by Stella Creasy on Newsnight he said of the second such incident: "It wasn’t my proudest moment".[62][63] Other remarks included homophobic slurs, including a claim that George Clooney is "as queer as a coot".[64]

One tweet by Young was in response to a BBC Comic Relief appeal in 2009 for starving Kenyan children.[65] During the broadcast, a Twitter user commented that she had "gone through about 5 boxes of kleenex" whilst watching. Toby Young replied: "Me too, I havn't [sic] wanked so much in ages".[47] He has expressed remorse for his "politically incorrect" tweets.[66]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toby_Young

no_hypocrisy

(46,311 posts)
6. Reminder that eugenics is STILL LEGAL IN THE U.S.
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 10:34 AM
Jan 2018

Buck v. Bell went to the Supreme Court, the lower court decisions being confirmed, and has NOT BEEN OVERTURNED, making the holding still valid but dormant in practice.

In B v B, state government may designate any individual as "feeble-minded" (with the proper due process of course or charade thereof) and that individual may be legally sterilized against his/her will.

The defendant was a young woman who was railroaded in rural Virginia. She was placed in foster care, where the nephew raped her, she gave birth, and she was blamed for being promiscuous because of her alleged mental incapacity. In fact, it was later found that Carrie Buck was of average intelligence and the illegitimate daughter was even found to be gifted. She was sterilized with the rationale that she would continue to breed, and pollute the general gene pool with miscreants.

This was perhaps the worst decision since Dred Scott, certainly the worst by Oliver Wendell Holmes.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
10. What was also horrific is the way they stole her daughter.
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:55 AM
Jan 2018

She got pregnant after being raped by her foster parents nephew. They responded by labeling her promiscuous and having her committed. The worst part was that she was labeled mentally incompetent, he parental rights were terminated and the foster parents were allowed to adopt the baby. Think about that--the rapists family was given Carrie's child.

The child died at the age of 8. Carrie Buck was buried next to her when she died 50 years later.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
7. ++++has followed every nazi
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:33 AM
Jan 2018

And intellectual racists everywhere since difference was noted...It is never forgotten. When I learned of this white supremacists school of thought..all I could ask myself then, was, when will this loud advocating for a skin color cease? I had seen all cultures and races in full evolutionary splendor trying our best to kill each other in vicious style and with lethal munitions. Absolutely NO merit to white skin and DNA as a factor in proving white human intelligence supremacy. It still is a fallacy. Look to 1600 for proof of that fact.. +++++

As these times show, not yet. Good old Teddy R and Margaret Sanger were adherents to this tribal / racial philosophy. It seems we'll never learn🤐😎

handmade34

(22,759 posts)
8. still a stain on Vermont History...
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 11:46 AM
Jan 2018

http://www.uvm.edu/~eugenics/


After the turn of the century, "eugenics" developed into a world-wide movement led by scientists and scholars in diverse fields, funded by wealthy philanthropists, and supported by statesmen. Eugenics played an important and, at times, central role in the political, social, and intellectual history of many diverse peoples and nations.

paleotn

(18,014 posts)
12. Pseudo scientific trappings as a cover for racism. Nothing more.
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:03 PM
Jan 2018

This is disgusting racism, pure and unadulterated, and anyone who supports it ought to be dragged through the streets as a menace to decent, progressive civilization. Don't these idiots realize we've figured out an awful lot about how genetics ACTUALLY WORKS? Thus eugenics was utter bullshit when it was created by hateful little minds and completely inexcusable now. If anyone needs to be kicked out of the gene pool, it's the haters, like this toby young slime.

roamer65

(36,748 posts)
13. Race mixing is actually good for the human race.
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:03 PM
Jan 2018

Hybrid vigor. Charles Darwin observed it in plants and animals. Humans are no different.

Eugenics leads to narrowing of the genetic pool and inbreeding depression.

keithbvadu2

(37,044 posts)
14. Eugenics is alive and well in the republican party
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:05 PM
Jan 2018

Eugenics is alive and well in the republican party

Pro-life is a myth.

The supposed pro-lifers cared not when the state of Texas (republican gov) deliberately killed living baby Sun Hudson against the mother's wishes because he was an inconvenience to the state.

It is not a matter of life to the supposed pro-lifers.

It is a matter of control.

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