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Parking lots, taking handicapped spots, and not being able to park within the lines are major peeves of mine. I hate crap like that almost as much as I hate assholes on motorcycles!

Dollars to doughnuts, I bet you that guy votes republican....

If some in handicap spot, i would park behind them and slowly unload my mothers powered scooter from the trunk. She could not walk due to MS. She would go in shopping and i would sit there with car running and hazard lights on. The placard would be hanging from the rear view mirror of the car i was driving. If another spot would open i would move to the open spot. But if not i would wait till my mother was finished shopping or the person came out. At least 3 time the car would get a ticket.

was coined in 1976, during Jerry Brown's first pass as governor, by his Secretary of Transportation (CalTrans) Adriana Gianturco. The plan was, in their words, "to force people to give up their love of the automobile" by making driving individual cars as unpleasant as possible. To that end, they declared the fast lanes of the Santa Monica Freeway, back then the busiest freeway in Los Angeles, to be Carpool-only lanes during commuting hours. This was done by edict, taking away 25% of available lanes, with no environmental impact study, no safety buffer, no designated merge areas, and no viable public transportation alternatives. When they lost the lawsuit and had to reopen the lanes, the Highway Conditions signs had a message from Adriana (with a smiley face) trying to take credit for the improved commute.

After the Northridge Quake, when the roads were rebuilt, they specifically built carpool lanes into the design of the rebuilt 118. To warn people of this new change, they purposely manufactured metal highway signs that said (and I quote) "CARPOOL LANE AHAED." The 118 was later officially renamed The Ronald Reagan Freeway (which makes the misspelling somehow appropriate), because it is the highest to Reagan's Library. Locals still call it the 118.

They just didn’t put one up for one reason or another. (Good or bad reason you don’t know).

Edit: as someone who has a blue parking pass it happens a few times a year that for one reason or other I don’t have it with me when it needs to be used. You send in the ticket and if you can prove you have a handicapped parking card you don’t pay the ticket.

If I forgot mine (which wouldn't happen since I have the sticker inside the car all the time), I wouldn't attempt to park in a handicap spot.

If my husband is not in the car, I simply don't use it since he is the one with a seriously damaged lung from cancer.

car. I do always lock my car. These stickers have been stolen by these wretches.

would be a reason to remove it from your car. My wife keeps hers in her purse.

like the idea. So she dropped me near the door and went and parked the car.

But there are some elderly handicapped people that should probably not be left alone. There are places where I would not leave my wife alone while I park the car.

and I don't think I could manage those motorized carts. So these trips have to be short and sweet. I once stood there while my daughter's order totaling $300 was rung up. In her supermarket there are people who carry your groceries to the car and load them. It's a nice thing!

The aisles are too narrow. Sadly, many people I see using them seem wider than the cart.

Not too make fun of obesity, for many it is a genuine medical problem. I feel badly for them. Some of the most misunderstood and mistreated people in our society.

to walk around the store with a cart.

I am not obese but I can't last too long in a store with a shopping cart. I do short trips with fewer items. It means I use more gas and make more trips but that is just how it is.

It is complicated when you don't have much money and no insurance.

If you don't have the sticker.

Fuck, this might be the most uncomplicated thing ever. No sticker = you cannot park here.

I'm sure in the fullness of time you can see a doctor.

To see a doctor to get a permit. A clinic would give you the paperwork. I believe you are just making excuses because you have decided in your mind it's okay for you to park there without a permit.

disabled parking permits are the ones who have been able to see doctors. The OP suggests it's not complicated. I am saying, actually it is for those without insurance who do not have much money. I am not talking about myself.

It's not stem cell therapy. You could get one from WalGreens Clinic

There is no excuse.

I'm sure this has happened before in their lot.

arthritic back already killing me, I decided on another way. I will call the store and ask to be connected to the Help Desk and report it to them and inquire how they handle those complaints.

The line for the Help Desk is always long because it is where you can buy your lottery ticket. I get that, but it's doesn't help my situation.

So I will phone them tomorrow and discuss it with them then. The staff there are very nice and helpful and I know they will discuss it with me.

He was parked right behind a trailer truck that was unloading in the fire zone in front of the store. When he said that, I got back in my car, backed up and then parked almost against his back bumper, pinning him in. He got out of his car as I got out of mine to get my mom's wheelchair out of the trunk. I smiled sweetly as he pulled out his book of tickets and said "go ahead and ticket me and then we will take it in front of the Mayor, City Council as well as the Magistrate. I will explain to them why I had no choice but to park in front of the store because you would not put a ticket on the Caddy parked illegally in the only available handicap spot because you don't believe in enforcing laws.

He got back in his car and I did not get a ticket. He was stuck there until I was done shopping with my mom. We took our time. I kinda think the trucker took his too. It is one of my pet peeves when people hog the handicapped spots simply because they are lazy.

Several years ago, while waiting for my Blue tag to arrive, I stopped at a Fry's, put up my temporary tag, and was stopped by a City of LA Parking Enforcement Officer (not a real cop; Los Angeles sub-contracts parking enforcement out for a percentage, so the company that does the actual ticketing has a vested interest in producing as many tickets as possible, valid or not). He asked to see the permit (which is valid), but then tried to "discretely" follow me around the store hoping to prove I was faking (which is not).

Soon after getting the blue tag, the HR person at the company I was working for saw me parking in the handicapped spot, and said "You know that's the handicapped spot...?" I just sweetly smiled, looked back and said "Did I forget to put the placard up? Nope, it's there."

At the time, I was new-enough to needing the placard, that when someone would tell me "you don't look handicapped," I would be ready to get up into their face, and question their medical qualifications. I once asked them if they had their prescription pad with them. Now, as I have gotten older, my prepared answer (which I have not had to use now that I no longer live full-time in Los Angeles) is "Why thank you! I've worked very hard to make it look this natural."

My mother was in a wheelchair and my husband uses oxygen so no one has questioned the use of a placard. I am 74 and grateful that I can walk from anywhere in a parking lot to the door and never use the placard that we keep in the car if I am alone. But if I see someone that does not have one parked in a spot, I tell the people in the store so then can contact police.

I was confronted a couple times even though both legs had casts on them. I couldn't believe it. I guess because someone drove me where we were that made a difference or I wasn't 80 years old.

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Folks who are not supposed to park in disabled disgust me.

But just yesterday I saw a couple of folks literally run from the door of the store to their vehicle which was parked in a handicap parking spot. It did have the designation on the license plate. I know that disabilities or limitations aren't always visible, but these folks were even laughing as they were running, so I suspect that the designation on the plate wasn't meant for them. That almost makes it worse, IMO. If they have a loved one who needs those spots, one would think that they would be considerate of folks who need those spots.

At this point of my life I'm able-bodied and very appreciative that I am. I never look for that close spot. I get some bonus exercise by walking farther, and I save myself a lot of frustration by not looking for that closer spot.

I really wish there was more enforcement in that area. And stiffer fines.

aren't allowed to laugh? Ever? For the rest of their lives?

I know someone who used those spaces when she was driving her dad's car when dad wasn't with her. It happens.

As I said, I know that sometimes limitations and disabilities aren't visible. I have a family member with MS. When she still had good days she wouldn't use those spaces . She was so thankful for those good days and her ability to walk that she'd leave those spaces for those who needed them. She no longer has good days.

I didn't mean to offend you. I'm sorry if I worded what I said in a way to make it unclear about what I meant. Laughter is great.

New Orleans that was parked in a handicapped spot. It had disabled veteran plates (DV and a number) and hand controls that were visible through the driver's window, but not from behind the car where she was writing the ticket. It was my only good deed on that vacation.

On edit-unless you count keeping my wife from falling down after she drank a hurricane as a good deed.

pointed them out to her. Good for you.

controls that clinched it. This was about 18 years ago.

The handicap laws in most states require the person the permit is issued to be in the vehicle ? I observe a lot of healthy people hanging Grandma's sticker on the window & merrily skipping into the store !!My idea is to have some stickers printed with super glue on the face side that states " this parking space is for lazy Morons" (in small print) "you know who you are" ??
Then I sit back & watch them try & get the sticker off their drivers side windshield !!! Is that wrong ??

Maybe that's why people choose not to comply with the law...they know there are no cops around that lot...

If you want to be a prick, take pictures of the car showing no license plate or tag anywhere, from multiple angles and post them to the town's Facebook page.

faster to that then they will to a bank robbery.

There is no police testimony that the cop did something wrong. It's all recorded, with photos.

The perp has to suck it up, apologize, say they won't do it again, and pay the fine.

The fucking dumbass! Hope his car broke down and while he was walking home a fellow fucking dumbass sprayed slush all. over. him!

Now, hope you're cudded up with some tea and watching a favorite old movie you already know the plot of. Or your version.

park his car in a handicapped spot, come in and run on the treadmill, then go home. The car did have a handicapped sticker and license plate.

I asked one of the trainers about him. It seems that he uses his grandma's car, and drives her around a lot. When she is not with him, he goes ahead and parks in the handicapped spots anyway.

What a bad guy he is...

As recommended by her Neurologist and Physical Therapist.

Are you saying that a person without a wheelchair cannot be legally classified as disabled?

You are in very risky territory when you let what "you think" turn you into the judge and jury for people with handicapped stickers.

People that have these stickers or placards, have them for a reason. If you feel like you must appoint yourself as their doctor, be prepared for backlash, and rightfully so.

You see, you mentioned that perhaps people "who can walk" perhaps should relinquish the handicapped spot to someone else. Seriously? Is that actually how you judge a disability? What about the person with a heart condition who may put themselves at risk if they walk over a certain distance in a short amount of time? The person with MS who is in excruciating pain, but who is hiding it well because they are trying to maintain their dignity in public? The person with a diabetic sore on their foot that may walk perfectly for 5 minutes, but then it starts rubbing on their shoes thereby crippling them up for a few days afterward? The person with a kidney stent that you have no idea is there and it is banging against the inside of their kidney if they exert too much?

Where did you get this mindset of yours?

Scenic Ave for a couple of miles without a show of disability, gazing at the ocean, walking back to their car and drive away..

Over and over again, different people, different cars...

Now WTF does that look like?

Get it ??

and get it good until you understand. Many disabilities are not visible. Get it?

Jesus Fucking Christ.

couple of miles while walking by empty non-DP spaces that they could have parked in, just to walk some miles BACK to their taken DP space and drive away.. Nah, the problem is not mine. It's the system.

Yes, J. F. Christ, what is wrong with someone who walks for miles by a beach?! They certainly are NOT in pain, or disabled in any physical means.

Good luck.

what does chronic pain look like? what does MS, as mentioned earlier, look like? what does a heart condition look like? what does arthritis look like? what does sickle-cell anemia look like? what does diabetes look like?

i could go on, but why should i have to?

in many states, getting a handicapped plate/placard isn't a rubber-stamp process--and the doctor who signs the official form states whether the disabling condition is temporary or permanent. if it's temporary, the doc will limit it to the weeks/months it is needed. many people will NEVER get better. who are you to judge?

walking is great exercise/therapy for those who are able to do it; recommended by many doctors. walking by water is calming and healing to a lot of people. pwds are people first, and have every right to enjoy all that the world offers.

"may the universe make it so you need this spot as much as i do."--note a friend with MS used to leave on cars without plates/placards in reserved spaces.

"""may the universe make it so you need this spot as much as i do."--note a friend with MS used to leave on cars without plates/placards in reserved spaces.""

Pretty much fits the definition of evil.

How does the person that left that evil note not know if that person just happen to not have their placard or was in a friend's car that didn't HAVE a placard?

How DO YOU KNOW ???

The entire system is screwed up so that people WHO REALLY NEED A PLACARD are getting screwed by someone who is only using it in 'greediness' in a way?

You are not legally or morally entitled to that spot. Before I had plates, if I'd left my hashtag somewhere else, I did NOT park in a handicapped spot.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

Then after I win my case, I'll make sure you are well known for the kind of person you are, a person who slanders and harasses legitimate handicapped people, throughout the area via social media.

But this is hypothetical as we are never going to meet and what I'm saying is what I'd do if someone behaved the way you do and did it to me.

I walk fast for a short distances, even though my leg and foot are often swelled up and purpleish, but I've been on SSDI for years now and have had a handicapped tag for longer. I don't often use handicapped parking but when I do, it's because I'm pushing it by that time.

Where you said handicapped spots ought to be reserved soley for those in a wheelchair.

Your comment:

"Save the spots for this who have wheelchairs asshole !! "

You also said this:

"I've also confronted people getting out of cars in the handicap zone who walk nice and fast and look healthy. "

I walk fast, for short spurts, and maybe even overall appear healthy but if you followed me into the store, you may see me use the shopping cart for support or shifting my weight to my right leg when stopped and looking at items on the shelf.

It is not for me to respond kindly to anyone who may question my use of a handicapped parking spot by showing the scars and discoloration on my left leg and foot, my medical records documenting the times I've been in the hospital for blood clots and the letters I have from the VA and SSA stating I am disabled.

For sure there are people who abuse the system and they ought to be confronted but if you did so to me simply because I wasn't in a wheelchair or, in your opinion, I was walking at a fast pace, which is what you said in the first post of your's that I responded to, then the shit would hit the fan.

The examples you give are very likely people who are illegally using someone else's handicap placard. They just don't hand them out to anyone who wants one. But your response to that is to go after people who are allowed by law and meet the criteria to have one by saying only those people who are confined to a wheelchair should have a placard.

It's interesting that something that has absolutely no impact on your own life riles you up so much.

It has totally fucked up my life--to the point I've had to give up my career because falling is such a big risk for me. It's always present and every freaking thing I do is a battle some days. I don't need a wheelchair--yet. If I'm having a "good" day, I usually don't even use that handicapped tag, but on a bad day I do, because it can make all the difference between taking a bad fall and staying safe. I have to go to a gym to walk a treadmill because uneven surfaces are incredibly dangerous for me as are curbs. If I don't walk I lose strength, and what little mobility I have left goes with it.

You want to try and tell me I need to just stop living on the bad days?

Newsflash for you, get up in my face in a parking lot at your own risk. I will make you look like a pendejo without even working up a sweat, and I'll do it loud enough your long dead relatives gonna hear it.

The ancient Greek term phronesis, or practical wisdom, comes to mind. This solution is too easy.

.......when Mr/Ms Able Bodied drives up and drops the person with the disability off at the door and then hangs the placard and sits and waits in a handicap spot, then drives back up and gets their person at the door again when they come out. That deprives someone who actually needs that space for no good reason whatsoever. I can't speak to anywhere else, but in Illinois, at least, that's not even legal. Here, the owner of the card must be walking to/from the parking space.

are the assholes who know they aren't supposed to park in the spot, but think nothing of blocking it by double-parking in front of it. One time, at the Post Office, some jackass was doing that, and when I tried to signal that I wanted into that spot, he just kept waving me around. It took waving the placard and pointing before he understood.

A couple of years ago, some bozo at the Tillamook Visitor Center was waiting in the driveway for his party to get there. When the cars behind him started honking, he pulled forward and waited, blocking three handicapped slots. It's a shame there are no donut shops along the Oregon Coast; there's never a cop around when you want one.

for people leaving their empty shopping carts in a handicapped space.

The store has people who will collect them from you...and also unload them into the back of your car. These are usually people with developmental disabilities from a local group home. They are some of the nicest people I know...

Nine times out of ten they are a half block away.

Did you watch the car to see who came back to it?

It could have been that there was no handicap sticker for that reason, I guess, but it was still there with the motor running and nobody in the car when I left...

her off, and she had the handicapped tag in her purse. I had to leave my car in a spot and go inside to get her, which made me uncomfortable, but I couldn't see any good alternative.

were using her handicapped spot could have been straightened out as to your status. But at dr.'s offices it's common practice, I would think.

placard. However, it is not that easy. First you have to go to the DMV to get the form. You cannot park in the handicapped spot in order to walk in and get the form. I hunted 3 different DMVs to find one where I didn't have to walk very far. Then you have to fill in the form and take it to your doctor's office. Again, you cannot park in the handicapped spot while you take the form inside. Then you have to wait several days for the doctor to get around to signing the form and you have to make that trip all over again. Finally you get the form from the doctor, fill it in and mail it (only option available in this state) and wait a month for them to get back to you.

Not exactly the easiest task I've done recently.

I recognize that many computers users don't have printers.
Perhaps some MDs have handicap placard forms in their offices, or can print one out; if the physician already knows you're eligible for the handicapped placard, he/she could put your name in the proper place and pre-sign before mailing to you.

But, you're correct, it does take a lot of doing to get the placard.
My state requires that handicap placards be renewed every 5 years.
My mobility problems aren't going away in 5 years or ever - heart problems with 5 stents, as well as knee replacements, walking with a cane, and increasing age, etc.

I can understand the states don't want ineligible persons getting them.
Just imagine how many of them there are in Florida, home to so many retirees.

It was once recommended to me to get a handicap license plate, which would solve many problems.
However, I have a vanity plate- just my initials- my husband ordered for me 40 years ago, which I renew as necessary, and believe the process would be complicated by trying to order a handicap vanity plate.

the form is only available in the DMV. Must be mailed. Admittedly I had to laugh at how difficult they make it for handicapped people, but I finally managed. Good thing I could take 3 separate days off work to get this done eh?

get that gerrymandering fixed, maybe they could catch up in the handicapped placard department.

At least you worked it out, and hopefully all is well for a few years for that problem.

I got one for my mom when she was ill.

You can mail the form or take it to the DMV, and they give it to you on the spot

sure how you got it "on the spot", but lucky you. And, you were getting it for the handicapped person, so it seemed not too difficult. I had to get it for myself. Not the same.

Got the placard.

person. Had I taken it back to the DMV, that would have been another day off, which I could not afford. I think 3 trips and 3 days off from work is difficult. Glad that is not hard for you.

“backward” was not the reason for your troubles.

Seems mailing it was your best option.

How do you think they should handle it?

an able-bodied citizen can get around easier than a handicapped person is hardly evidence of a State not being backward. My point was that we are not offered the option of an online (modern) form. It would be nice if the handicapped could fill out a form online and email it to the doctor who could then give it an e-sig and email to the DMV. Part of the problem is the DMV has separate owners and is not operated similarly at each location - that is reserved for alcohol - more examples of systems needing modernization - IMHO.

I believe some (many?) states are wary of unwarranted persons obtaining those placards, which, of course, defeats the purpose for those that truly need them.

I recall my brother telling me 20+ years ago that in FL, or at least in his area of Miami, FL, all handicapped placards were recalled and had to be reissued, due to abuse of the system. (I can't vouch for the validity of this claim, as my brother was known to stretch the truth, but maybe someone else from FL knows if that indeed happened.)

That said, like so many state and national programs, there are ways to update our current procedures.

Though the caveat there would be hoping the damn doctor would sign expeditiously.

I’d be happy to help out if you go have to deal with them again. I live not far from Charlotte, so we can’t be that far apart wherever you might be.

I’m lucky to have a good boss, as well as good friends who stayed with Mom while I got that done. No one wants to go to the DMV. I know a little backwoods town where there is never a line.

She died last year, so my time is more my own now.

I wish it weren’t.

I appreciate your offer. I have been sick quite a bit since moving here and have nothing but accolades for the health care system, but it is difficult navigating bureaucracy when you don't know anyone. Can't find a new church as I can't easily get inside most of these old churches; neighbors are far away as I have a nice large piece of land - good and bad. Have signed up w/ County Dems to be a precinct captain so hope to meet people, but it won't be by going door to door. It's very difficult when you all of a sudden can't get around. Anyway, I'm a bit PO'd, but that's a personal problem Perhaps I should write an essay on what state institutions should do to help the elderly and handicapped (neither of which I thought I'd ever become).

Seriously, I’m happy to help.

I have time because I’m on leave from work while dealing with moms estate.

My younger sister vanished so I’ve been doing everything. I was close with my mom, so the grief has been awful.

I live on a large piece of property too lol, so I know what you mean. Neighbors are hunters sooo we’re not on the same wavelength.

Pm anytime

What was it Katherine Hepburn said? “Growing old is not for the faint of heart.”

are wheelchair only. The others are for ANY legally-accepted definition of disabled, as defined by the issuing state.

On days when my leg isn't bothering me, I don't use the handicapped spot. When I need it, I use a cane (or a scooter) and park in the handicapped spot.

And I certainly do NOT wish to be in a wheelchair either. But my issue is the time I have to get into the supermarket and do my shopping without my back giving out.

The doctor who diagnosed my arthritis signed the form for my handicap sticker.

My dad has one for the rest of his life. His medical condition limits his mobility but he does not use a wheelchair, walker or cane at this time.

While linking to the CA DMV maybe you should read
their rules.