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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am puzzled over the horrible story of the 13 children being starved & chained
they were being home schooled. The state govt usually wants to know that the parents know what they are doing. CA is a progressive state, where did the ball get dropped?
gibraltar72
(7,518 posts)LisaM
(27,861 posts)And so the law is different. The POS father was listed as the principal.
LisaM
(27,861 posts)I personally think that all non-public schools, including charter schools, need more oversight, but in this circumstance, it doesn't seem to be about home-schooling.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Read up on Erica Parsons, a mentally disabled child who was allegedly being "homeschooled" in NC after she was already dead. You can search the Rowan County, NC database and "Parsons Christian School" is still in it.
LisaM
(27,861 posts)It's people finding ways to slip between the cracks.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)something isn't right??????? This is not a huge city, pop 68,000
I did see an interview, maybe the mother's sister, she was shocked!!!!!
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,476 posts)makes me sick to think there are probably more kids in this terrible situation.
bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)I think Libbie Ann has posted several times about the group at her blog 'love,joy,feminism' at patheos. I believe it's run by the same guy who started Patrick Henry college, which has many students from homeschools.
haele
(12,699 posts)Private schools do not have to follow the curricula that homeschoolers need to follow in the state, but according to the California Department of Education,https://www.cde.ca.gov/sp/ps/psfaq.asp#c7
"to meet the statutory criteria as a private full-time school, the private school must, as stated in EC Section 48222, offer instruction in the several branches of study required to be taught in the public schools of the state to the same general degree of depth. While the State does not provide any educational curriculum, instructional or other materials, or standardized tests or assessments, to children who are educated privately, there are curricular guidelines in the form of content standards for each grade level accessible on the CDE Web site."
The State identifies three types of schooling - private business/religious based, home schooling, or public/NPS (Nonpublic, nonsectarian schools, which take public school funding much like charter schools to provide alternative to public schools for special needs students)
The CDE has some little oversight on home schooling by requiring them to interact with public and NPS school programs provided to support and oversee the requirements to meet the state curricula. However, it does not license Private Schools, so if a local agency is willing to provide a license to any business, whether associated with a recognized religion or not, to be a Private School, that will not register to be a NPS, there's very little oversight on what is going on at that school.
This guy and his wife apparently passed the criminal background check that is required to be able to set up a Private School in the state of California, and were able to meet the local requirements to register as a Private School.
Through the decades, various flavors of Church/Temple Schools have been pushing through the Legislature various laws and code exemptions to protect their "spare the rod and spoil the child" creed and traditional standards for Mediaeval learning; thus, this ends with the situation that the State Board of Education could do little to enforce oversight on what was going on in that house, allowing a freak and his wife to abuse kids at will with the local authorities standing by because "they're such good religious people" and we all know religious people can do no wrong in God's Name...
Haele
nini
(16,672 posts)My grandson was home schooled for a while and had to go to meetings with other kids and mom had to check in often etc..
A friend's son also - lots of interaction with monitors of the programs.
janterry
(4,429 posts)all you need in many states is a friend (a teacher who likes home-schooling - often they are 'passed around' in the homeschooling world - to 'review' your curriculum and say it's okay. Ezpz
In our case, I actually used the Florida online program, so we did meet all the standards. But if we wanted, we could have chased butterflies all day (provided our friend - and she was our friend - signed off on it).
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The parents appeared to be perfect 'christians'.
Must have fool a lot of folks.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)hlthe2b
(102,557 posts)RW fundies think they don't have to follow state law. In many cases, they have won. It is abysmal. You have your "religious" nuts to thank for these kids having no oversight/no protection.
Take a look:
Homeschooling Regulations by State
Homeschooling has been legal throughout the United States for about 25 years, but regulations vary dramatically by state. Only two states require background checks for parents who choose to homeschool, and just ten require parents to have a high school degree. Fewer than half require any kind of evaluation or testing of homeschooled children.
https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/homeschool
Motley13
(3,867 posts)hlthe2b
(102,557 posts)I'd say the differences are predictable.
moriah
(8,311 posts)When I was homeschooled the only real difference between CA law and the law in AR was you had to take the standardized tests every year for the grade level you were claimed to be in.
NC requires testing but not that the state do it or that the parent keep records -- so that's probably how Erica Parsons was able to be "missing" for two years while still officially being homeschooled and the family collecting her benefits.
At least these children were all found alive. I hope there isn't anything found to contradict that if they do a full search of the home.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)BUT, how did they get away with it in CA. I know a school, & papa was the principal, where were the regs for that?
Freddie
(9,282 posts)Their son and wife are fundies and homeschool their kids. They wanted to adopt a child from Russia and they were turned down by the state (NJ) because they homeschool - no mandatory reporters seeing the kid regularly, and they were told this. Good for NJ.
lindysalsagal
(20,794 posts)Lots of home schooling happens so that children have no access to others who might report their misdeeds.
This is abandonment. There needs to be some access to the world outside the family.