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A shutdown question (Original Post) PJMcK Jan 2018 OP
Has been reported that shutdown will not affect his investigation at all wishstar Jan 2018 #1
Thanks, wishstar! PJMcK Jan 2018 #2
At this point, I'll bet most of those working on it would work for free. Frustratedlady Jan 2018 #3
Mueller probe would continue during a government shutdown (CNN) dalton99a Jan 2018 #4
Thanks! PJMcK Jan 2018 #6
As post #4 indicated BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #5
The budget is complicated PJMcK Jan 2018 #7
Retired fed BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #8
Thanks for the tip! (n/t) PJMcK Jan 2018 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Jan 2018 #9

wishstar

(5,273 posts)
1. Has been reported that shutdown will not affect his investigation at all
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 09:22 AM
Jan 2018

He keeps his team working no matter what, since it is essentially a countintelligence probe with national security implications.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
3. At this point, I'll bet most of those working on it would work for free.
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 09:32 AM
Jan 2018

They have to be SO involved in the details and SO furious over what they are seeing, it would be like ripping away the most fascinating and involved book you've ever read before you get to the final 2 chapters.

dalton99a

(81,708 posts)
4. Mueller probe would continue during a government shutdown (CNN)
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 09:35 AM
Jan 2018
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/16/politics/justice-department-special-counsel-shutdown/index.html
Mueller probe would continue during a government shutdown
By Eli Watkins, CNN
Updated 7:58 PM ET, Tue January 16, 2018

Should Congress and the White House fail to achieve a spending agreement, much of the government will shut down, and federal operations will lapse until a spending plan is passed. During the lapse in funding, however, all employees whose work is not funded by the regular appropriations process are "exempt" from the mandatory furlough that other federal employees have during a shutdown.

The special counsel probe is not part of the annual funding process Congress approves for the Justice Department, and therefore its employees are exempt from the potential shutdown.

The Justice Department said in December that investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election had cost about $7 million from May to September, and the announcement noted that funding for the probe comes from "the permanent, indefinite appropriation for independent counsels."

Outside of protection from a shutdown, the funding mechanism also makes it somewhat difficult for Congress to target the special counsel through the regular appropriations process at all -- a fact that made a few headlines last fall as President Donald Trump tweeted about the "costly" investigations and some House Republicans expressed opposition to Mueller's funding.

BumRushDaShow

(130,118 posts)
5. As post #4 indicated
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 09:41 AM
Jan 2018

the only thing impacted is BA funds (budget authority). Anything that is permanent funding, multi-year, or no-year (e.g. user fees) is not impacted - at least in terms of "funding". Those who utilize those funding mechanisms can still work.

There may be those designated as "essential" who must work but who are not funded unless/until Congress passes and the President signs, some type of appropriation that covers them retroactively.

PJMcK

(22,075 posts)
7. The budget is complicated
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 01:15 PM
Jan 2018

I doubt that Trump understands what you've explained, BumRushDaShow. If I recall from my civics class, (actually, "The West Wing" episode, "Shutdown&quot , many of the mid- to lower-level staffers are furloughed.

What a mess our government has become! Modern Republicans have shown over and over that they cannot govern.

ETA: I hate emojis. Is there a way to turn them off? The winky smile above was meant to be a close parenthesis but when coupled with the quotes, I guess it becomes a stupid emoji.

BumRushDaShow

(130,118 posts)
8. Retired fed
Sat Jan 20, 2018, 01:20 PM
Jan 2018

after 30+ years. Pretty much all of us that have gone through shutdowns (or even had to take training like appropriations law) had to know about this. Otherwise working during a shutdown when furloughed meant you were an "unauthorized procurement".

The only way I have been able to deal with those emoticons in the text is to put a space between the last quote and the closing parenthesis like this --> ("quoted stuff" ). I think when elad was fixing the site after the great hijack, they had to re-do the code and how it handled some of those characters.

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