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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe bizarre rise and dramatic fall of Louise Mensch and her Blue Detectives
https://thinkprogress.org/blue-detectives-collapse-trump-russia-a42a94537bdf/Led by British gadfly Louise Mensch (269,000 followers on Twitter currently) and going by a handful of names and hashtags including #TeamPatriot this coterie largely avoided any kind of original reportage, instead opting to try to piece together open-source information that they believed journalists elsewhere had overlooked. In the early days of the Trump administration, they were, as BuzzFeeds Charlie Warzel wrote, a mooring force for the anti-Trump Resistance. With Menschs 2017 op-ed in the New York Times on Russian hacking, this group which Warzel termed the Blue Detectives appeared ascendant.
A year on, though, the group is in tatters, roundly mocked by experts on Russian-American relations, ignored by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his staff, and barreling quickly toward irrelevance. Where these Blue Detectives once looked like they may unearth some kind of smoking gun linking Trump and the Kremlin or could at least help fill in certain missing pieces of the puzzle they are now as derided, and derisive, as their earliest critics pegged them. They have become, as Deadspin noted, the InfoWars of the left.
At the outset of the Trump presidency, this crew looked like it might have something to add to the conversation: on national security, on Americas degraded democracy. But one year later, they look little better than their target in the White House especially when it come to peddling the conspiracy theories that provide comfort to both ends of the political spectrum.
Malcolm Nance had her pegged from the very beginning.
Sid
LonePirate
(13,446 posts)brush
(53,978 posts)just whistling Dixie. Let's see what he reveals.
Not saying Mensch was correct on the details but on the big picture, yes.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Details to be released second Tuesday of next week.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)make it sound, you know...factual.
demmiblue
(36,920 posts)It is really discouraging to see these people and their tweets seriously discussed on DU. Mensch, Counterchekist, Schindler, Claude Taylor, Rick Wilson, Dena Grayson, Palmer, etc. I also question Joy (still love her show) giving Dworkin face time.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 20, 2018, 02:18 PM - Edit history (1)
I have no idea who wrote this bullshit but they seriously have not followed the group.
The bashing has been going on since they began their campaign against Wiki, Russia, & Trump.
They have bedn doxxed & trolled & botted besause of who they have taken on.
Unless this author is reading & has been following these people daily from the beginning, then they have ZERO credibility and it becomes suspect just who they are in it for.
This is just another in the long line of those who don't want the anti Kremlin /Trump message known.
Oddly, it was twice now that even Joy Reid & Malcome Nance, has reported 'breaking news' only to have already read that news reported by those you mention above.
Yes. They outed the story & damned if MSNBC didn't report it as their own later on.
Go figure.
They asked MSNBC/Joy Reid to credit them with the report since they broke it, but no.
The issue here is that MSM is regulated as to what is allowed to be said on air. They have a Corporation to answer to afterall.
The amazing indepents of this twitter group, do not. They answer to each other.
That is why MSM would like to control what they report.
Not happening.
They are a great group of independents, and I'll stick with their reporting more than I'll bet on the sanitized news of MSM that gleefully gave us Donald Trump, cuz, well the profit margin soared!!$$$$
Sounds like another hit job to me from Corporate cash against the independent reporters.
Believe what you want. I refuse to be taken in solely by MSM's cash cow.
demmiblue
(36,920 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Don't bash what you know nothing about & refuse to find out for yourselves.
MSM couldn't give Trump enough coverage.
Why on earth would now I believe they're suddenly on the side of our nation's survival.
This thread is a hit job against anyone but MSM & their cash cow.
I'll stick to the unsanitized news media & do enough research & trust my own feee thinking before I buy the lying self serving$$$ MSM ever again.
We have this disaster Admin because the media refused to do what the independents did.
Money & Media. You live by it if you choose to.. I don't have to.
I saw enough of how the bull sh of MSM played us in 2016.
Later..
demmiblue
(36,920 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)gabeana
(3,166 posts)just like those reviewers on amazon that rip a book without even reading it, because the desired political agenda is a odds
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I find Mensch to be off the wall and have difficulty understanding the way she writes..not her ideas as much as her thought process. have not followed her much. She has a lot of critics..
However, this criticism seems biased:
the same could be said of MSM news readers.
Russian studies and degrees in Russian are hardly needed to understand why Trump firing Comey was a legal problem for him,
or why we needed a special prosecutor, etc.
so I looked to see why Casey Michel would focus on that, and found this:
He writes for the Hudson institute, a rather powerful conservative think tank that has people like Scooter Libby, Alexander Haig, Kissinger, Robert Bork, etc. connected to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Institute
as well as
So his bias is showing in his comment about people who do not have his background being unreliable writers.
Josh Marshall over at TPM does a lot of investigative writing, has no Russian Studies background. Guess his take on RussiaGate
is not valid either.
triron
(22,031 posts)Wouldn't be surprised if Russia behind it.
Cha
(298,087 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Link to tweet
........... http://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/
By Louise Mensch | 10:18 pm, November 7, 2016
Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of U.S. persons in Donald Trumps campaign with ties to Russia.
Contrary to earlier reporting in the New York Times, which cited FBI sources as saying that the agency did not believe that the private server in Donald Trumps Trump Tower which was connected to a Russian bank had any nefarious purpose, the FBIs counter-intelligence arm, sources say, re-drew an earlier FISA court request around possible financial and banking offenses related to the server. The first request, which, sources say, named Trump, was denied back in June, but the second was drawn more narrowly and was granted in October after evidence was presented of a server, possibly related to the Trump campaign, and its alleged links to two banks; SVB Bank and Russias Alfa Bank. While the Times story speaks of metadata, sources suggest that a FISA warrant was granted to look at the full content of emails and other related documents that may concern US persons.
The FBI agents who talked to the New York Times, and rubbished the ground-breaking stories of Slate ( Franklin Foer) and Mother Jones (David Corn) may not have known about the FISA warrant, sources say, because the counter-intelligence and criminal sides of the FBI often work independently of each other employing the principle of compartmentalization.
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Wwcd
(6,288 posts)..via Assange etc and she's got the trail linking their trolls back to the Kremlin sources.
As do all the others listed above.
Why, for the life of me, would anyone speak for the MSM, who are also connected to bought by their corporate owners & investors.
I'll sstick with these independents who have given us far more intel than we've gotten from MSM in the last 3 years.
There is a certain reason this group was targeted & discredited by the Kremlin and fking Assange.
People would know this had they followed what was taking place on their twitter accts.
They certainly were a threat to MSM's sanitization of the news by their corporate owners & investors.
They all made a fortune by their 24/7 promotion of Putin's pick, Donald Trump.
No wonder this group was so targeted.
It was because they opened the door to Putin's coup & have never let up.
MSM owns the fake news award for their roll in 2016.
Not the members of the group that gave us an insight as to what dangers lay ahead for this country.
MSM is $$$$ & beholden to their corporate investors.
They proved their credibility in 2016.
Thanks for your post
flamingdem
(39,342 posts)since when in the desert everything looks like water. We wanted someone in the know. The ruskies understand way too much about American political mentalities.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)2016, proved their credibility.
24/7 Trump.
Amazing how many still defend the fortunes made by that propaganda for profit business..
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)demmiblue
(36,920 posts)More info about him here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10098501
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)When it comes to Abramsons continued ability to land media appearances as opposed to Mensch Weindling pointed to Abramsons willingness to bend facts to fit his narrative, rather than craft new realities wholesale.
As far as why [Abramson] has outlasted Mensch, he gets basic details in stories wrong where its easy to muddy the waters, while she says that the Grand Wizard of the Supreme Court is going to execute Steve Bannon, Weindling told ThinkProgress. My hope is that hes been taken for the spectacle that he is, rather than the reporter that he claims to be.
Good article.
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uppityperson
(115,681 posts)marble falls
(57,555 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)For one thing, it conflates the work of three different people, and Seth Abramson has nothing to do with the other two, other than that he posts on Twitter. He is the only one who claims to use only open-source information for his stories. Mensch and Taylor have done original reporting. Taylor has claimed to have US sources and Mensch, who was an MP in Britain, claims British sources.
The article accuses Mensch of being duped by the same hoaxer as Taylor, though she wasn't. She says she only has used sources she personally knows and they are British, not American.
And this story comes just after McClatchy reported on the connection of the NRA, Sheriff Clarke, and the Russians -- something Louise Mensch reported on several months ago. Interesting that someone would want to discredit her now.
marble falls
(57,555 posts)anything like the NRA, why would they be so interested in the NRA?
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)It took the rest of the media a while to catch on, and they still haven't forgiven her.
Link to tweet
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And she wrote this in December 2017 -- weeks before the McClatchy story came out -- based on her June reporting on Patribotics.
Link to tweet
marble falls
(57,555 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,518 posts)Don't understand the OP either.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)almost forgot I was on DU
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Her devoted followers will be back with the next round of nonsense.
More_Cowbell
(2,192 posts)How would the author know? What indications would Mueller and his staff have given? I haven't seen them mention any members of the media. And I wouldn't expect them to.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)lapfog_1
(29,243 posts)on someone pushing her fairy tales, I'm inclined to hide it.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)They're rather shit when it comes to connecting the dots or any attempt at actual original reporting.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)He also writes for the conservative Hudson Institute -- and he has lived in the former Soviet Union, where he was also a journalist.
I would take anything he said about Mensch with a shaker full of salt.
Link to tweet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Institute
Hudson Institute
The Hudson Institute is a politically conservative,[6] 501(c)(3) non-profit American think tank based in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1961[1] in Croton-on-Hudson, New York, by futurist, military strategist, and systems theorist Herman Kahn and his colleagues at the RAND Corporation.
According to its website, the Institute is committed to innovative research and analysis that promotes "global security, prosperity and freedom."[7] It promotes public policy change in accordance with its stated belief that "America's unique and central role in the global system offers the best foundation for security, the defense of liberty, and assuring economic growth."[
progressoid
(50,021 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)OK by me