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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTraitor don not crazy, just a terrible person, says Psychiatrist
"Allen calls out the societal disease that helped sweep Trump into office, but stops short of historicizing it as a foundational virtue of a country established in slavery and genocide instead of a recently emergent issue. If Trump is a bad person because of his unabashed racism, misogyny, homophobia and Islamophobiathe defining traits of his public persona and presidential candidacythen a vote for Trump, and thus those positions, says something significant about the morality of Trump voters. How can anyone ask for empathy for those who cast ballots for vengeance and white power because they imagined their status slipping away, even while communities of color continue to struggle in far more life-threatening waysa struggle exacerbated in the last year by the result of those votes?"
"He's been rewarded for being this narcissistic idiot his whole life, not punished for it. He has not hidden himself. He is the most transparent personality in the world. Every thought is out there in a tweet. He has been this person throughout his whole life. He won the electionadmittedly with the help of rigging and gerrymanderingbut with this personality on full display."
"When the Harvey Weinsteins and Tiger Woods and all the others get caught with their pants down, the first claim is sex addiction: I'll go off for a rehab program and I'll be cured in a month. We're medicalizing immorality. We're medicalizing people who rape and say they have mental disorders. Bad behavior is part of the variety of human nature. Only a small portion of bad behaviors are done by people who are mentally ill. Most bad people are not mentally ill; most mentally ill people aren't bad. When we confuse the two, it's a stigmatizing insult to the mentally ill. It's terrible for them to be lumped with Trump because most of them are well-meaning and well-behaved, and Trump is neither."
https://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trump-isnt-crazy-hes-just-terrible-person-leading-psychiatrist
Irish_Dem
(47,928 posts)DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Maybe read the entire message?
Irish_Dem
(47,928 posts)And he has much more insanity than just NPD.
tblue37
(65,541 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,417 posts)titled The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump.
I do agree that Trump IS dangerous and I also agree with Allen that we are in this mess because so many people
voted for a dangerous con man. What does it say about the voters--and the future of our country--that so many
people would buy into a self destructive option? I think it is just as important to focus on the self-destructiveness
of the voters--and the other elected Republicans who are supporting a dangerous con man--as it is to understand
why and what makes Trump so dangerous.
I really do fear for the future of the country. We're in a horrible mess. Even if Mueller's investigation results in
Trump being removed from office, then we have to deal with Pence or Ryan. Neither one of them is going
to change the direction in which things are headed. We're in a big mess.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)an art-form. The man is the biggest asshole I have ever seen in my life. How he has gotten this far in life without being covered in scar tissue from regular beatings is a mystery to me.
Xipe Totec
(43,892 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,580 posts)TNNurse
(6,931 posts)that is Donald Trump. His only concern is what benefits him in the moment.
LuckyCharms
(17,472 posts)becomes so messed up and bad that they can legitimately be classified as crazy. I'm sure psychiatrists would disagree with me, but for all practical purposes, Trump is so bad, he's crazy.
PatSeg
(47,750 posts)If you look back on Trump's life, you see an immoral, selfish man, but I think he is now becoming unhinged and possibly crazy.
PatSeg
(47,750 posts)Though the man is a pathological liar, he has never disguised who he really is, as such it is not so much Trump that upsets me, but the millions of people who support such a person.
Excellent observation in the article, "We're medicalizing immorality". "Most bad people are no mentally ill; most mentally ill people aren't bad."
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Morality isn't held soley by individuals. It is encoded in society, in its film, literature and legislation. THE ASSHOLE is condoned by our collective embrace of the individual as more important than the collective. It's a belief system that the Womens' Marches, thank goodness, are challenging and fantastically so.
It's not that there is no place at all for individualism, it's that it ferments into full-on narcissism if the media and the culture feeds it.
We need a better balance between the individual and society.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Welcome to DU!
BobTheSubgenius
(11,580 posts)Welcome indeed!
trusty elf
(7,403 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)The other details are funny too. And the flag says 1775!
And the vultures outside sitting in the tree!
zentrum
(9,866 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)It serves quite well to course correct my thinking. Trump's mental faculties might or might not be deteriorating but falling for the idea of mental illness lets him off the hook. I've dealt with enough narcissists and people with a mean streak to know better. Reading this interview has corrected my mental drift.
This quote really hit home:
"Trump is, without a doubt, a world-class narcissist. Not just among the great narcissists of our day, but among the great narcissists of all time. You have to go back to Nero in Rome maybe to find someone as self-involved and destructive as he is."
He can probably be compared to every despot in history and the similarities would be legion.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,580 posts)...I think that's sufficient in terms of description. There must have been some true and massive mental illness going on there, though. The "self-involved and destructive" sure apply.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,580 posts)Is NPD a mental illness? Medical professionals seem pretty unanimous in describing it as a mental "disorder." No one seems to define a difference, though.
I know someone quite well that has either NPD or BPD (Bordrerline), or a melange of both. Hard to distinguish between the two, at least for me.
I do know that the only treatment for BPD is behavior modification, which is difficult in the extreme to achieve.
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)I find it hard to take a psych seriously that uses ableist terms like, "idiot" (which actually means developmentally disabled) and throws around "narcissistic" as if narcissism wasn't an mental illness actual listing in the DSM.
Makes the "expert" come off as exceedingly unprofessional & thus not exactly trustworthy.
I'd have much preferred an actual analysis that included where he seems to tread into mental illness and where it's clear that Trump is simply a white, wealthy, male spoiled brat with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,580 posts)My late friend had an incredible grasp of the entire manual...to the point that she rose into a position in our mental health care system that technically require a Master's. She did not have one, clearly, but she was so knowledgeable that she interviewed and tested better than those who did.
The two of us could have chewed this bone into dust, but that's far from the only reason a miss her.
Thank you for your unit of wisdom.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)makes him deranged and dangerous.
Skittles
(153,306 posts)how could so many people be fooled by such a disgusting man
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)Deplorables is an accurate description
Docreed2003
(16,902 posts)His actions arent driven just by his dementia, Trump is truly a dick at heart.