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global1

(25,298 posts)
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:00 PM Jan 2018

Doesn't Forgiveness Come After The Person You Will Be Forgiving Says They're Sorry?......

I didn't hear Trump say he was sorry for having an affair with Stormy Daniels - i year after he married Melania and she was pregnant with Barron. Instead - he had his lawyer pay Daniels - hush money to keep her quiet.

I don't buy Graham's forgiveness defense of Trump.

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Doesn't Forgiveness Come After The Person You Will Be Forgiving Says They're Sorry?...... (Original Post) global1 Jan 2018 OP
Graham does NOT know the Bible. He does NOT care what it says. He uses it's precepts to justify Lint Head Jan 2018 #1
To fully apologize, one must do three things: no_hypocrisy Jan 2018 #2
He needs to repent cyclonefence Jan 2018 #3
That's what Trump needs to do, biblically speaking. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #6
All you have to do is take republicanism into your heart and you are saved! unblock Jan 2018 #4
repugs twisting like pretzels thbobby Jan 2018 #5
Trump prides himself on his womanizing. Fidelity is a not a value at all for him. Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #7
Yes. The apology is the vehicle for forgiveness. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #8

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
1. Graham does NOT know the Bible. He does NOT care what it says. He uses it's precepts to justify
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jan 2018

his on agenda. Which is a sin in itself. One must repent to be forgiven. If Graham does not ask for forgiveness for his own hypocrisy regarding adultery and fortification he will burn in the Lake of Fire forever. He's a partner to adultery and fornication which means he has don't those acts in his heart.

no_hypocrisy

(46,312 posts)
2. To fully apologize, one must do three things:
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:11 PM
Jan 2018

1. Feel the pain and outrage you caused them with your transgression.
2. You fully apologize including admitting what you did, what you did was wrong, and the pain you caused.
3. You do one affirmative act to try to restore the damage you did, e.g., pay back the money you stole (with interest), offer to do something voluntary to your victim, etc.

I can't see Trump even doing #1.

Ms. Toad

(34,127 posts)
6. That's what Trump needs to do, biblically speaking.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jan 2018

Extending forgiveness does not require any act on Trump's part. It may be a bit patronizing to forgive someone who believes he's done no wrong - but forgiveness addresses the attitude of the injured person toward the one who did them harm independent of what the person who did the harm feels or does.

unblock

(52,501 posts)
4. All you have to do is take republicanism into your heart and you are saved!
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:24 PM
Jan 2018

Apologizing and making amends is for democrats.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
5. repugs twisting like pretzels
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:28 PM
Jan 2018

to make the case that trump has some degree of humanity. trump is an indulgent, soulless, sociopath. He will do anything for his own carnal lust. He said that while other Americans were going to Vietnam he was fighting his own war to avoid STD's. trump is causing the GOP, evangelicals, racists, thieves to reveal themselves. Behold the evil America has to offer. The GOP endorses it because it gives them the only votes they can get.

Irish_Dem

(48,056 posts)
7. Trump prides himself on his womanizing. Fidelity is a not a value at all for him.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jan 2018

He brags about what he can get away with.
He brags about how many married women he sleeps with.

Trump won't apologize for something he doesn't see as wrong.

Like cheating on his taxes, he thinks he is smart and others are stupid
to pay taxes.

LuckyCharms

(17,472 posts)
8. Yes. The apology is the vehicle for forgiveness.
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 03:56 PM
Jan 2018

No vehicle, no forgiveness.

You can't get there without the vehicle.

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