so analyst is fact. If that was the case,why did Jon Tester vote "no"?

...he voted against the Dream Act.

He voted against the funding bill as a conservative republican would. He'll have his sop to the left and a sop to the right.

how does that figure into the loss?

And it is three weeks...the 12 hour news cycle is in a tizzy.

80% supported DACA will be the talk of the town for 3 weeks...that is part of this victory for us.

Days ago

The Rs just had a disagreement about whether to fund it for the short term or long term. Even Trump wanted it funded.

This was no give-up by the Rs. It was used as a bargaining chip, though.

"Rs just had a disagreement about whether to fund it for the short term or long term"

Ya like do we get care for kids for a couple months month or for 6 yrs!
That's not "just a disagreement".

IT IS A BIG DEAL !

doesn't matter that 80% of everyone in the US wanted it. They didn't care...they knew virtually 100% of Dems wanted it, so it was vulnerable to their end own game. Fully funding Chip and and for 6 years was not a given. It is a given now, and its also no longer a bargaining chip for Republicans

i remember hearing the current agreement does not include wall funding, but does include CHIP funding for 6 years
does that matter in the final score?

It was always going to be in the bill. Couldn't get passed even by the Republicans, w/o it being in the bill.

4 Repubs refused to vote for the bill. McConnell was one of them. That means they didn't have enough Republicans to pass the budget even w/the nuclear option. Even the ignoramous Trump was concerned about whether CHIP should be funded for the short or the long term. But there was no doubt that it WOULD be funded.

CHIP is noncontroversial, few politicians were against it, most citizens are for it.

This was just SO obvious. So it's good that it's now funded. But let's not pretend that any budget ws going to pass w/o it.

Trump wanted it, Republicans wanted it, Dems wanted it. No problemo.

The only question, as Trump said, was that he thought it was going to be in the short term budget but someone explained to him it'd be better to do it with a long term budget. See? It was always going to be done. This is not a Dem win. But people won't remember, so maybe it can be played that way. Giving in, giving the appearance that the shutdown was the Dems' fault, is sure going to be played a lot.

polls have already shown that they have failed in trying to push the narrative that it was the Dems fault for the shut down. This second shut down won't change the Republican attempt and re-directing the narrative, but it will be even more apparent that it was all on them.

I completely disagree that Republicans wouldn't have used CHIP for their own gains. That you trust them so much on one issue (funding CHIP) but fail to trust them on other issues (DACA) remains a mystery to me.

Yes, that chip.

And, don't forget that the same bill reduces spending for hospitals, etc.

So they may have insurance but no hospital to go to.....

Admit it. We got rolled.

If you actually think this is a victory, then what the hell is a loss?

CHIP hostages freed
DACA hostages acknowledged on TV by McTurdle.

How is that a loss?

Worst case, we can now hang McTurdle's public promise around his neck when it turns out to be a lie.

Not a loss, but I want to see Dems start acting tougher. Dems represent the majority, the only reason it’s not reflected in Congress is that Reps cheat.

Dems are the voice of the people, they need to speak and act with that power.

Yesterday: The Republican shutdown, the Trump shutdown.

Today: The Democrats are finally being reasonable; the Democrats got some of their demands, so the shutdown can end (as in...it was a Dem shutdown).

Maybe with CHIP off the table and no more "Americas'' kid ads, it will work better next time.

Yes, he is.

around to being more moderate, and in the world of real facts, no doubt. Wants to keep his job.

It's their job to be nonpartisan. In fact, I disregard opinions that are partisan down the line, since NOTHING and no one is always right.

I also notice that when someone doesn't want to deal with an article or message, they attack the messenger.

Do you have something substantive to say, or just more attacks on the author, while ignoring the facts?

His opinion writings should be labeled as RW talking pts.
Because that is the direction it leans straight towards.
Its sensationalism at best.

Whose default framing on any issue is to paint the Dems as either being bumblers or at a hopeless disadvantage or behind the curve. In Cilliza’s world Dems aren’t evil they just never do anything right. Did I mention he was a giant, gaping asshole? Hated by others in the media?

I hope Chris’ me too moment comes sooner rather than later. He’s a slime.

How anyone can appreciate & believe what he writes, " says more about them"
We see you! 👀

Cillizza goes the direction of the wind on any given day. Money & media

Explains a lot.

At least he's not slamming Hillary.

I'm not surprised the ratings-driven press is still trying to throw this narrative at the wall in hopes it sticks one day. The ratings-driven press loves to attribute variations on RW talking points as their own analysis. Nice work if you can get it.

Fights get ratings. "Who won the shut down?" "Who are the winners and the losers?" All of this crap is ridiculous. Who won the shut down? It isn't a game. Shutting down the government is a failure! Passing CR after CR to keep the country limping along is a failure! Not allowing bills on immigration reform to be brought up in Congress' regular business is a failure!

Obviously, because I am a Democrat, I side with one party and ascribe blame more heavily to the Republicans, but all of this is just a failure of governance because everyone is thinking about it only as a game.

One party believes that the Federal Government should be working with State and local governments to try to meet the needs of the most people possible with effective public policy. Do they always succeed? No, a big no in many cases. The difference is, they try, and if and when they fail, they try again.

The other party believes that the Federal Government should only protect property rights and economic interests, and most recently, that the Federal Government should enforce a moral order in line with conservative Christianity.

The media never really analyzes what the right wingers stand for, they just report on the game and who wore it better. That is not journalism.

...Cillizza.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210134566

I don't see anything actually lost.

What to fuck does it matter what some TV anchor some above any fucking any thing , hell , this is stupid about who won and who lost , a God damn week from now , nobody will care except for some TV pundit.

Corey voted against and Doug voted for. Yet both were pretty much on the same page.

Corey's argument was pretty much on par with what most DUers argue for.

However the issue that Jones had was more focused on CHIP and the fact that his state of AL (like some others - e.g., VA) have a good number of government workers who were being impacted. And the 2013 shutdown apparently had a major major impact on the state given their economic standing is already poor, particularly when compared to places like MD & VA & even PA, with large populations of government workers. Of course some of that has to do with what I call "spite" politics. He wants to see what the bipartisan group (I think there are something like 20 or 30) does with DACA and other issues. He is new so he will be learning....

'overplayed' their hand. Fuck you CNN...Fox lite.

should have been. We have an election coming up in less than a year...make or break.

Damn that Liberal media!

Incredibly biased writer.

The issue was not one of Democrats vs. Republicans, but one of adults vs. disruptive children. The shutdown was the result of a temper tantrum one person surrounded by a group of enablers. Everything which happened since then - the multiple bi-partisan efforts to keep the government functioning were blocked and thwarted by those who were purposefully wanting to disrupt things. The adults have won for now.

Reality,
He saw 10 democrats bailing on him and started begging. He ran out if front of them and got a promise from republicans to maintain the appearance of him being irrelevant.

Sounds like a cave to me. And if it's about getting re-elected and maintaining seats, I'm okay with that. Losing more seats, especially 10 seats, would leave the majority completely unchecked.

How everything is turned into a "game," and there has to be a "winner" and a "loser" for everything. This really is a damn reality show, where every conflict is turned up to 11 and the people out there watching don't think about the effects of what's going on. I know a few Republicans who approach every election like that: they never talk about the issues or what the Republicans do when elected. To them, it's all about "winning." They literally don't give a shit that Republicans never do anything after they're elected except cut taxes for rich people.