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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:17 PM Jan 2018

Oh!

President Trump is accused of paying $130,000 in hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels to hide an affair a month before the election. In what is probably just a coincidence, the Trump campaign transferred $130K to the Trump businesses a month after the election.


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Oh! (Original Post) MelissaB Jan 2018 OP
Some flunkie was just on the tube saying it had nothing to do with the election Vinca Jan 2018 #1
Yes, and "I did not have sex with that woman" Mr. Ected Jan 2018 #16
k&r bigtree Jan 2018 #2
They should be able to provide an invoice for it Jarqui Jan 2018 #3
Yes, and ask yourself this question TwistOneUp Jan 2018 #19
If they're following the FEC campaign finance laws/regulations, there HAS to be an invoice... George II Jan 2018 #27
So the campaign paid the hush money then paid trump's business back for the money he... brush Jan 2018 #4
it's not obstruction because neither the affair nor the hush payment was illegal. unblock Jan 2018 #5
OK, there has to be something criminal about campaign funds use to hush up a potential... brush Jan 2018 #6
Yes, if it wasnt reported. unblock Jan 2018 #7
Lawyer fees Scarsdale Jan 2018 #8
I suggest that the payment was at least partly personal. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #9
I think as long as the campaign benefits at all it has to be reported unblock Jan 2018 #10
And it wasn't right? At least the reason for the expenditure wasn't reported. brush Jan 2018 #13
i don't know how they decide. unblock Jan 2018 #14
or if he took it as a corporate tax deduction.... getagrip_already Jan 2018 #11
That's something I've been thinking ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #12
Time to cough up those tax records. withoutapaddle Jan 2018 #15
one would think that.... getagrip_already Jan 2018 #25
Has nothing to do with obstruction...it's a violation of election laws. pecosbob Jan 2018 #38
That's an expensive roll in the hay jayschool2013 Jan 2018 #17
roll, roll, roll... n/t getagrip_already Jan 2018 #26
Or a run around the bed..... Historic NY Jan 2018 #30
Actually 130888.33 progressoid Jan 2018 #18
Yeahbut TwistOneUp Jan 2018 #20
Yup - like a K-Mart price. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #22
could he have charged the campaign interest? Maybe he made a profit from paying the hush money renate Jan 2018 #24
it would be about an 8.5% APR... anybody know whether that's a standard rate for a personal loan?n/t renate Jan 2018 #29
It has been suggested that this was the standard take it or leave it fee for otherS GusBob Jan 2018 #45
Very interesting! George II Jan 2018 #21
Speechless bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #28
TROLL FakeNoose Jan 2018 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #32
Wait, rent? snort Jan 2018 #33
bet he clips coupons KT2000 Jan 2018 #34
Years ago... WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2018 #46
Tiger Blood part 2. sarcasmo Jan 2018 #35
of course HE did not pay her off. HE probably pays NOTHING for EVERYTHING. pansypoo53219 Jan 2018 #36
Isn't this similar to what got John Edwards aindicted for campaign finance fraud? rurallib Jan 2018 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2018 #39
Imagine if Hillary Clinton had paid six figures to hide an affair with a male pornstar Orrex Jan 2018 #40
++++++++++++++++++++++++ Cha Jan 2018 #42
That it does not says a lot about how dotard has thoroughly Enoki33 Jan 2018 #44
Will the trump suckers give a shite that Cha Jan 2018 #41
They can't be THAT dumb, can they? nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #43
Cheeky and brazen maybe. Grammy23 Jan 2018 #48
"Lock Him up!!" ...and PELOSI doesn't want to IMPEACH yuiyoshida Jan 2018 #47

Vinca

(50,334 posts)
1. Some flunkie was just on the tube saying it had nothing to do with the election
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:19 PM
Jan 2018

and everything to do with hiding it from his wife. (P.S. I have a tower in Paris for sale.)

Mr. Ected

(9,675 posts)
16. Yes, and "I did not have sex with that woman"
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:26 PM
Jan 2018

Was to shield Hillary from the truth as well.


LOCK HIM UP!

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
19. Yes, and ask yourself this question
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:47 PM
Jan 2018

Ask yourself:

If you tried this on your tax return, how nervous would you be if the IRS sent you an audit notice?

MuHAHaha

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. If they're following the FEC campaign finance laws/regulations, there HAS to be an invoice...
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:14 PM
Jan 2018

...and full documentation on the $130K.

brush

(53,978 posts)
4. So the campaign paid the hush money then paid trump's business back for the money he...
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:28 PM
Jan 2018

fronted to keep the porn star quiet.

Hope Mueller is on it. That sounds like obstruction or something. It's certainly criminal.

unblock

(52,501 posts)
5. it's not obstruction because neither the affair nor the hush payment was illegal.
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:47 PM
Jan 2018

what would be criminal would be using campaign funds for something personal or failing to report it if it was campaign-related.

brush

(53,978 posts)
6. OK, there has to be something criminal about campaign funds use to hush up a potential...
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:56 PM
Jan 2018

election altering revelation like candidate philandering.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
8. Lawyer fees
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jan 2018

for Donald Jr. have been paid from campaign funds, it was reported. The campaign funds, plus their charities are treated like their personal piggy banks.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,580 posts)
9. I suggest that the payment was at least partly personal.
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:59 PM
Jan 2018

Every aspect of a Presidential candidate's life becomes a blend of political and personal. Just my view, of course...campaign finance laws may well have a more black-and-white definition.

unblock

(52,501 posts)
10. I think as long as the campaign benefits at all it has to be reported
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:04 PM
Jan 2018

Even if 99% of the benefit is personal.

brush

(53,978 posts)
13. And it wasn't right? At least the reason for the expenditure wasn't reported.
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jan 2018

They might have tried to hide/fudge the reason if the 130k expenditure was reported at all.

unblock

(52,501 posts)
14. i don't know how they decide.
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:18 PM
Jan 2018

i guess if i was a prosecutor i'd want to ask them under oath if it was campaign-related or not, then decide which charge to pursue.


in any event, donnie better hope he's got a good excuse for the $130,000 reimbursement from the campaign to try to claim it was unrelated.

getagrip_already

(14,975 posts)
11. or if he took it as a corporate tax deduction....
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:07 PM
Jan 2018

You can't deduct personal expenses as corporate write-off's. At least not without violating the tax code.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
12. That's something I've been thinking
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:10 PM
Jan 2018

Did he try to write off hush money? If so, no wonder he doesn't want anyone to see his taxes. Way too many questions would be raised.

withoutapaddle

(263 posts)
15. Time to cough up those tax records.
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:19 PM
Jan 2018

I don't see how DT can walk out of all his shitty, shady, corrupt dealings without an indictment on Something. What a tangled web indeed.

progressoid

(50,020 posts)
18. Actually 130888.33
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:45 PM
Jan 2018

I imagine there were a lot of payments to the Trump businesses over the course of the campaign. Without details, it's just speculation about the reason for this payment.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
20. Yeahbut
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:50 PM
Jan 2018

Note the change: three eights and two threes. That looks very fishy to those of us that study numbers and "made-up random" patterns.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
22. Yup - like a K-Mart price.
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:57 PM
Jan 2018

I know there's a statistical method used to analyze tax returns, financial documents, and scientific data. Non-random digit patterns are used to identify fraud.

renate

(13,776 posts)
24. could he have charged the campaign interest? Maybe he made a profit from paying the hush money
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:05 PM
Jan 2018

There's no such thing as "now I really have seen it all" with him.

renate

(13,776 posts)
29. it would be about an 8.5% APR... anybody know whether that's a standard rate for a personal loan?n/t
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:19 PM
Jan 2018

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
45. It has been suggested that this was the standard take it or leave it fee for otherS
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 07:14 PM
Jan 2018

It has also been suggested there are many others

The lawyer could have said this is what everyone else takes, offer expires at midnight

bucolic_frolic

(43,505 posts)
23. Speechless
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:57 PM
Jan 2018

the legal and ethical questions this creates

think about it. time delay makes it hush money. hey that's new

Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Response to FakeNoose (Reply #31)

snort

(2,334 posts)
33. Wait, rent?
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:31 PM
Jan 2018

On what? If they had been paying a monthly rental then perhaps that would explain the odd settlement figure, too hide it with similarity.

KT2000

(20,605 posts)
34. bet he clips coupons
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jan 2018

or rather makes his housekeeper in NY do it.
On top of everything else he is a freeloader.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,060 posts)
46. Years ago...
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 10:55 PM
Jan 2018

the now gone SPY Magazine used to do what they called Spy Pranks. In this particular one, they sent checks for less than 25 cents to a bunch of rich people to see who would actually cash it. Guess who did.

This is interesting...unfortunately the author thought Trump would never survive the primaries. But then again, none of us did.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/08/spy-vs-trump

rurallib

(62,483 posts)
37. Isn't this similar to what got John Edwards aindicted for campaign finance fraud?
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 04:09 PM
Jan 2018

My memory is foggy, but didn't Edwards use campaign money to make some payments to his mistress?

Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Orrex

(63,286 posts)
40. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had paid six figures to hide an affair with a male pornstar
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 04:11 PM
Jan 2018

That story would dominate every news outlet 24/7 until the literal death of the universe.

But Trump? Meh. It's just locker room talk.

Enoki33

(1,589 posts)
44. That it does not says a lot about how dotard has thoroughly
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 07:00 PM
Jan 2018

trashed perceptions of his morality. And to his supporters it’s if I don’t believe it, it cannot be true.

Cha

(298,065 posts)
41. Will the trump suckers give a shite that
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 04:36 PM
Jan 2018

they paid for hush $$$$$ to a porn star? Doubtful. really Suckers.

But, since it's against the law.. who cares?

Grammy23

(5,815 posts)
48. Cheeky and brazen maybe.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jan 2018

How about sloppy, as well? For so-called smart people, why do something that cries out for details? More information? They were just brazen enough (like tRump) to just do it and worry about consequences later. Maybe the old standby, “he is new to all of this so didn’t know it was a no-no.”

We weren’t born yesterday so they had better come up with something better than “he is new to this.” I also remember another saying. “Ignorance of the law is no excuse.”

So try again, Sparky!
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