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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn regards to Trump missing sanctions deadline, Chuck Schumer had this to say:
We sanctioned the head of their intelligence and then the Trump administration invites him to waltz through our front door, Schumer said. This is an extreme dereliction of duty by President Trump, who seems more intent on undermining the rule of law in this country than standing up to Putin.
From Mother Jones magazine.
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)Keeping that powder dry once again.
Perhaps Chuck should send a strongly worded letter to Lucy.....errrrr.....I mean Donald, asking him to play fair.
shanny
(6,709 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)His valid alternatives being precisely what?
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Thanks for the resistance Chuck.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What are your reasons to believe that was his intent?
Is he in your microwave?
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)I wouldn't give Putin's puppet any FISA gifts until the investigation is concluded, but that's just between me and my micro wave.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Should I be worried?
And I think you may have missed this:
The Majority Leader is pressing forward on a six-year bill to reauthorize the 702 FISA Court program. This is a significant bill, but right now, the Majority Leader is pushing for its passage without debate or amendments. Thats the wrong approach.
Many of my colleagues would like to offer amendments to this legislation, and frankly, they deserve that right.
And personally, I believe that while this bill makes some improvements to the 702 FISA program, it should go somewhat further. We could do a better job balancing the crucial national security imperatives of the program with legitimate concerns about privacy and protecting the rights of American citizens.
The bill on the calendar is better than the status quo, and its certainly better than no bill at all, but that is not the choice before us. The Majority Leader can open the bill up for limited debate and a few amendments not to delay but so that we can have some amendments and try to improve it.
For that reason Ill be voting no on the upcoming cloture motion. If cloture is not invoked, we could quickly move to an amendment process where Senators from both parties could offer ideas to improve the bill.
https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/speech/schumer-floor-remarks-on-net-neutrality-fisa-reauthorization-and-the-bipartisan-immigration-compromise-presented-to-president-trump-
triron
(22,031 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And what Minority Party and Majority Party have in the way of power - or if you like - "powder."
Here is a link to get you started:
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Majority_Minority_Leaders.htm
Once you've gone over that, maybe you can tell us what options there are for Schumer and the Senate Dems, beyond making public statements informing the public of what is going on.
I look forward to your extensive list of options that Schumer is neglecting.
But I think this might shorten your workload a bit:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/30/even-if-trump-is-blatantly-ignoring-the-russia-sanctions-law-theres-not-a-lot-congress-can-do-about-it/?utm_term=.da47d16f3ff2
Eliot Rosewater
(31,152 posts)Most of us have no clue as to how we would handle these things WERE we actually there.
But attacking democrats is a thing lots of folks like to do.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)these good, informative links. These aren't promising sources for more ammo for this crowd, though.
napi21
(45,806 posts)has to enforce penalties and punishment for disregarding the laws, and we all know the Pugs won't reprimand THEIR LEADER! Democrats have no power to do anything but bitch about it.
mcar
(42,476 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Way to kick ass Chuck!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Link to tweet
/photo/1?
Sanity Claws
(21,866 posts)Just list the things Trump has done and the conclusion of treason is inescapable.
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PJMcK
(22,075 posts)And the complaints from Democratic leaders are ineffectual.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'd bet good money some on this thread voted for "ineffectual," or didn't vote at all.
Acting out can be a way of trying to hide in plain sight.
Blame the God damn democratic, they got so much control of everything ,.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,866 posts)Her tweet is that the President has defied what Congress enacted. That is a Constitutional crisis because he is supposed to execute the laws.
The tweet does not say that Trump did it because his intent was to support a foreign power at the expense of Americans or tie it in a pattern of behavior that shows treason.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Intent is going to be hard to prove, she knows that, and focusing on what his actions were is probably the best way to go.
Treason is a particular legal charge, and we have slammed DT pretty hard for making claims about "thousands of illegal voters" with no evidence.
It's like an anti-choicer calling abortion "murder" and "infanticide," they may see it that way, but abortion doesn't fit the legal defintion of murder and infanticide.
I like to think we have a higher standard, even if a statement doesn't particularly strike us as outrage inducing enough.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)I'm pretty sure we're past the point of pleasantries.
Let's call him what he is and put it on the Republicans to deny it (pretty hard when all his actions seem to support Russia).
Eyeball_Kid
(7,440 posts)You can start by calling Trumpy an agent of Russia.
Go onto different forums and find an avenue to make that statement. Keep doing it.
Keep doing it and you'll start to see others do it. Ideas propagate.
triron
(22,031 posts)I will call all my senators and congress persons and tell the that.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Saviolo
(3,284 posts)So, I'd say just go ahead:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210162815
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Or Obama being a racist who hates white people.
Saying that he's an agent when there isn't any direct evidence is really not much better than saying Obama was born in Kenya.
We are the party of facts....
We should act like it.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)WAAAAY more ... and it's more insulting really.
Throw in Russian Lapdog for variety.
These descriptions have no particular meaning, just an implication, ergo ... nobody can accuse anyone of 'lying'.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I prefer that we concentrate on doing what we can to stop him, and not give him the attention that he seeks so desperately.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,440 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,464 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Response to kentuck (Original post)
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JDC
(10,152 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Time for tRump's MeToo moment.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)devoted entirely to the Russian sanctions issue just proves that he doesn't do anything.....
But please, don't let that stop a bashing session.
mcar
(42,476 posts)JDC
(10,152 posts)We all just don't get it. We need to slowly and methodically work the system. Just like MLK said. It's time for the tranquilizing effects of gradualism.
mcar
(42,476 posts)I don't want to have a beer with our candidates, I want to know if they can govern. And, if they are Democrats. Period.
JDC
(10,152 posts)It's part of today's governing. Like it or not. Idiots like *45 because he is perceived as strong in their mind. He's aggressive and it translates to votes. It's ridiculous, but it's true. Look at any poll that includes "strength" as a question. The same question posed/applied here would not garner the same positive results from a general audience. Pose to Democrats yes, maybe. Ind and Rep, no way.
Cha
(298,116 posts)Cha
(298,116 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)No cattle.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Please share.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)he'd have to CALL different "news outlets" and beg for air time?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Other than the weekly press conferences? Like the one yesterday, devoted to the Russia sanctions:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/30/schumer-trump-russia-sanctions-379355
I guess he feels that he's got work to do.
He's a Senator from a big state. There are a lot of people he answers to.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Or is that too avant garde for him? TV is not the only avenue of contact - unless you're maybe an aging, anti-computer baby boomer. Decorum is all very well, but I'd like to see some outrage wrinkle his face now and then. I can only conclude he's trying to out-torpor the turtle. Nice for him, I guess, but we need some heartfelt inspiration right now - something akin to congressional cage fighting.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)once someone points out that he actually is on the teevee...
https://www.facebook.com/senschumer/videos/10156222338959407/
And his face doesn't screw up enough in anger for you. And you need some more displays of testosterone.
Don't vote for him then, especially since you just can't put your finger on why, but you won't like anything he does or doesn't do, says or won't say.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,201 posts)This should be all over the media.
theaocp
(4,252 posts)Some tough talk will surely save our democracy.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Please share.
theaocp
(4,252 posts)You get direct and do not beat around the bush. Cheers.
Mc Mike
(9,118 posts)Like he committed felony perjury on America.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,580 posts)Either that, or has Schumer not been following politics for the last year? It's not that Drumpf isn't "more intent" on "standing up to Putin"...he has NO intention whatsoever of standing up to Putin.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Ask anyone with a kid who had a pre-existing condition. It wasn't profanity laced bluster, but it was legislation.
And why don't you write up a "butt boy" statement for him?
I'm sure that Chuck is waiting with bated breath to meet your rage approval level.
Because some bad dude manly John Wayne asskicker talk always does what the law can't.
Yee haw! Testosterone will save the day.
dalton99a
(81,708 posts)The boss must be invited, and all must attend
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,152 posts)DEMOCRAT who is attacked on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND?
The Polack MSgt
(13,208 posts)It is always our fault.
Choose the descriptor that suits the moment - Mainstream Dems, Blue Dogs, Establishment, Professional Elite - there are just so many choices!
But just keep in mind no matter what a Democrat says or does - It is feeble appeasement
No statements will suffice. On going behind the scenes maneuvers and strategies do not exist.
Any action that doesn't result in a crushing 100% victory - immediately - is caving in to the GOP and probably done because we are beholding to wall street and obviously owned by Goldman Sachs.
I mean c'mon you seem like a sharp operator, you know what's going on
Eliot Rosewater
(31,152 posts)but I cant anymore.
I am too busy fighting the entire right of this country and MUCH of the alleged left.
Your answer is tweet worthy, if you tweet I highly recommend you do it.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)brer cat
(24,665 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Much the same motivations behind it also, no doubt.
mcar
(42,476 posts)mcar
(42,476 posts)Never have gotten a clear answer.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)I have asked you nicely to sanction Russia. You leave me no choice but to... ask you nicely again.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Well, I guess there's not enough testosterone there for you, but some of us like Senators who get things done.
Can you enlighten us as to what his manly options are?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you clarify?
Got some ideas for what he should be doing, but isn't?
Please list.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)What he said:
What it sounds like:
We ordered a BLT from the day manager, and then the night manager invited this other group to waltz through the front door and order a sandwich ahead of us. That is an extreme dereliction of duty by that night manager, who seems more intent on undermining the day manager than standing up to the new customers who are trying to bully their way to the front of the line.
Stronger statements:
By Republican Senator Kennedy of Louisiana
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/world/europe/kremlin-russia-trump-list.html
Republican Kennedy of Louisiana again
Schumer had been bolder earlier in the week, though, stating that Trump is afraid to sanction Putin.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You say it was "better than nothing" but don't state what he could have done otherwise that would have been "not weak."
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Like "thug" (used by a Republican, no less). The other strong words I cited.
Schumer is being officially polite, that Trump didn't do what he was supposed to. No strong language, as far as I'm concerned.
At least he said something, though.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Not enough testosterone.
Being an effective legislator isn't enough strength. Actual strength is about him using angry words, when you are frustrated at a situation.
Got it.
I guess he won't be getting your vote next time he runs for re-election?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and what Trump is not doing. Not a statement that someone could make criticizing the procedure for ordering a sandwich, which is weak.
Stop arguing with me and being sarcastic. A mere adult response that is bold and clear...that you disagree, is all that is required.
Testosterone has nothing to do with speaking boldly and clearly. His response was, IMO, a typical political statement. Not much else.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)As per your post. Verbatim.
Is "pretty weak" "typical" for all long serving Democratic politicians, or just Schumer?
Can you clarify?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)besides my one post. There's more to life. You made your point that you disagree, although you did it insultingly and sarcastically, which I see you are continuing.
Get a life, dude. And read a book on how to win an argument. You usu don't convince someone by insulting and sarcastic remarks. That's just flaming.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)asked about them. Got it.
Asking you to clarify your conflicting posts is "flaming?"
You mean like saying that a "typical" statement from Schumer is "pretty weak?"
You made an insulting, sarcastic remark, then got offended when someone called you out on it, and call it "flaming."
Got it.