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kentuck

(111,111 posts)
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:50 PM Jan 2018

In regards to Trump missing sanctions deadline, Chuck Schumer had this to say:

“We sanctioned the head of their intelligence and then the Trump administration invites him to waltz through our front door,” Schumer said. “This is an extreme dereliction of duty by President Trump, who seems more intent on undermining the rule of law in this country than standing up to Putin.”

From Mother Jones magazine.

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In regards to Trump missing sanctions deadline, Chuck Schumer had this to say: (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2018 OP
Next Time He'll Really Let Drumpf Have It! SoCalMusicLover Jan 2018 #1
My thoughts exactly--that sternly worded letter is on its way! nt shanny Jan 2018 #2
Yep. Squinch Jan 2018 #10
So what are the options that he is missing? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #41
His valid alternatives being precisely what? LanternWaste Jan 2018 #47
Why did they just vote to let him spy on us? bahrbearian Jan 2018 #11
What vote is that? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #37
This bahrbearian Jan 2018 #38
How does that equate with Schumer "voting to allow him to spy" on us? ehrnst Jan 2018 #40
Some Resistance, bahrbearian Jan 2018 #42
Are you being spied on right now? ehrnst Jan 2018 #58
I detect a bit of sarcasm. triron Jan 2018 #15
I think a review of government 101 might be handy. ehrnst Jan 2018 #36
Way easier to sit back and criticize especially if you dont really know anything about it. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #53
Lotta armchair quarterbacking going on. ehrnst Jan 2018 #55
Such a civilized answer, and I hope others will appreciate Hortensis Jan 2018 #62
This is mostly due to being in the minority. AFAIK it is Congress who napi21 Jan 2018 #65
Tell us, please, what the Dems can do about it mcar Jan 2018 #66
Hah! He showed them who's boss! smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #77
You mean like this? ehrnst Feb 2018 #87
Why isn't anyone calling his actions treason yet? Sanity Claws Jan 2018 #3
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #7
There 's not a lot of foot-stomping, is there? PJMcK Jan 2018 #27
Damned right we're "ineffectual." Hortensis Jan 2018 #63
Yes Joediss Jan 2018 #28
McCaskill said it was a constitutional crisis. Does that count? ehrnst Jan 2018 #30
Getting close but not there yet Sanity Claws Jan 2018 #31
Even with the character limit.... ehrnst Jan 2018 #33
When do we start calling Trump an agent of Russia? Tatiana Jan 2018 #4
I mean this seriously: Eyeball_Kid Jan 2018 #17
Thanks! Great idea. triron Jan 2018 #19
And will you be mad if they don't? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #59
Well, Russia's already doing it... Saviolo Jan 2018 #25
That will go over like Kelleyanne saying that Obama was spying through microwaves. ehrnst Jan 2018 #51
Fine, everyone just constantly refer to him as Putin's Gopher ... extra benefit that he'll hate that mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #85
Yeah, those insults are totally going to get things done. ehrnst Jan 2018 #86
How is he getting away with this ? CentralMass Jan 2018 #5
Money. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2018 #18
Republicans Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #43
GOP control of the House and Senate, along with the Oval Office ehrnst Jan 2018 #52
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #6
I'll give you such a pinch! JDC Jan 2018 #8
That's harrassment ProudLib72 Jan 2018 #9
Yeah, that press conference yesterday ehrnst Jan 2018 #54
Some people don't seem to understand how governmentin' works mcar Jan 2018 #67
Yeah that's it. It's not a noticeable lack of charisma or energy. JDC Jan 2018 #78
I do not give one s&it about "charisma" mcar Jan 2018 #80
Nobody's said anything about socializing. We are talking about nessaging JDC Jan 2018 #82
It's a very clear statement. Cha Jan 2018 #12
+1 Lucinda Jan 2018 #13
Aloha, Lucinda.. good to see you! Cha Jan 2018 #14
It's all hat, is what it is. shanny Jan 2018 #23
What cattle are available? What option is he failing to take? ehrnst Jan 2018 #44
You mean Plucketeer Jan 2018 #49
Oh, you think he's not yelling enough on the teevee. ehrnst Jan 2018 #50
When does he take to the internet? Plucketeer Jan 2018 #60
Oh, so NOW you say that he's not on a FB live feed enough... ehrnst Jan 2018 #61
Mother Jones. For chrisake. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2018 #16
Yea, "seems", huh? theaocp Jan 2018 #20
What options are available that they are not taking? ehrnst Jan 2018 #45
Continual offense and not mealy-mouthed tut-tutting. theaocp Jan 2018 #64
It's like D rump is violating his oath of office. Like he foreswore himself when he took the oath. Mc Mike Jan 2018 #21
Is that last line supposed to be facetious? BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #22
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #24
The ACA wasn't "spineless." ehrnst Jan 2018 #46
He's planning a state dinner for Putin dalton99a Jan 2018 #26
Who is planning a state dinner for Putin? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #48
Why when trump commits treason and when our party leader stands up to him it is the Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #29
Tradition is why Eliot - DU Tradition The Polack MSgt Jan 2018 #32
I like your answer better. I was going to laugh now with an emoji Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #34
On. The. Nose. ehrnst Jan 2018 #35
+10000 brer cat Jan 2018 #39
As said. Like pundit rules for covering Hillary. Hortensis Jan 2018 #57
Followed by laments that we aren't coming together mcar Jan 2018 #69
I've been wondering this for a decade mcar Jan 2018 #68
Hey! Hey! John Fante Jan 2018 #56
Nicely? ehrnst Jan 2018 #72
Pretty weak, but something is better than nothing, I guess. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #70
In what way is this "weak?" ehrnst Jan 2018 #71
I view it as this. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #73
Again... what would have been a "strong" alternative? ehrnst Jan 2018 #74
The other statements I cited as stronger. Using direct, strong words. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #75
Oh, he didn't use the word "thug" so that's "weak." ehrnst Jan 2018 #76
Clear, direct language. Bold, strong words that say clearly what happened... Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #79
By "typical" you mean "pretty weak." ehrnst Jan 2018 #81
You need to focus on something... Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #83
Not going to back up your statements when ehrnst Jan 2018 #84
 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
1. Next Time He'll Really Let Drumpf Have It!
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:51 PM
Jan 2018

Keeping that powder dry once again.

Perhaps Chuck should send a strongly worded letter to Lucy.....errrrr.....I mean Donald, asking him to play fair.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
40. How does that equate with Schumer "voting to allow him to spy" on us?
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 02:33 PM
Jan 2018

What are your reasons to believe that was his intent?

Is he in your microwave?

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
42. Some Resistance,
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 02:52 PM
Jan 2018

I wouldn't give Putin's puppet any FISA gifts until the investigation is concluded, but that's just between me and my micro wave.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
58. Are you being spied on right now?
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:40 PM
Jan 2018

Should I be worried?

And I think you may have missed this:

Now, another pressing issue before us this week is FISA and the 702 program.

The Majority Leader is pressing forward on a six-year bill to reauthorize the 702 FISA Court program. This is a significant bill, but right now, the Majority Leader is pushing for its passage without debate or amendments. That’s the wrong approach.

Many of my colleagues would like to offer amendments to this legislation, and frankly, they deserve that right.

And personally, I believe that while this bill makes some improvements to the 702 FISA program, it should go somewhat further. We could do a better job balancing the crucial national security imperatives of the program with legitimate concerns about privacy and protecting the rights of American citizens.

The bill on the calendar is better than the status quo, and it’s certainly better than no bill at all, but that is not the choice before us. The Majority Leader can open the bill up for limited debate and a few amendments – not to delay – but so that we can have some amendments and try to improve it.

For that reason I’ll be voting no on the upcoming cloture motion. If cloture is not invoked, we could quickly move to an amendment process where Senators from both parties could offer ideas to improve the bill.


https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/speech/schumer-floor-remarks-on-net-neutrality-fisa-reauthorization-and-the-bipartisan-immigration-compromise-presented-to-president-trump-
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
36. I think a review of government 101 might be handy.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 01:32 PM
Jan 2018

And what Minority Party and Majority Party have in the way of power - or if you like - "powder."

Here is a link to get you started:

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Majority_Minority_Leaders.htm

Once you've gone over that, maybe you can tell us what options there are for Schumer and the Senate Dems, beyond making public statements informing the public of what is going on.

I look forward to your extensive list of options that Schumer is neglecting.

But I think this might shorten your workload a bit:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/30/even-if-trump-is-blatantly-ignoring-the-russia-sanctions-law-theres-not-a-lot-congress-can-do-about-it/?utm_term=.da47d16f3ff2

Eliot Rosewater

(31,152 posts)
53. Way easier to sit back and criticize especially if you dont really know anything about it.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:30 PM
Jan 2018

Most of us have no clue as to how we would handle these things WERE we actually there.

But attacking democrats is a thing lots of folks like to do.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
62. Such a civilized answer, and I hope others will appreciate
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:01 PM
Jan 2018

these good, informative links. These aren't promising sources for more ammo for this crowd, though.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
65. This is mostly due to being in the minority. AFAIK it is Congress who
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 05:07 PM
Jan 2018

has to enforce penalties and punishment for disregarding the laws, and we all know the Pugs won't reprimand THEIR LEADER! Democrats have no power to do anything but bitch about it.

Sanity Claws

(21,866 posts)
3. Why isn't anyone calling his actions treason yet?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:55 PM
Jan 2018

Just list the things Trump has done and the conclusion of treason is inescapable.

Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #3)

PJMcK

(22,075 posts)
27. There 's not a lot of foot-stomping, is there?
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:30 AM
Jan 2018

And the complaints from Democratic leaders are ineffectual.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
63. Damned right we're "ineffectual."
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:09 PM
Jan 2018

I'd bet good money some on this thread voted for "ineffectual," or didn't vote at all.

Acting out can be a way of trying to hide in plain sight.

Sanity Claws

(21,866 posts)
31. Getting close but not there yet
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 01:08 PM
Jan 2018

Her tweet is that the President has defied what Congress enacted. That is a Constitutional crisis because he is supposed to execute the laws.
The tweet does not say that Trump did it because his intent was to support a foreign power at the expense of Americans or tie it in a pattern of behavior that shows treason.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
33. Even with the character limit....
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 01:15 PM
Jan 2018

Intent is going to be hard to prove, she knows that, and focusing on what his actions were is probably the best way to go.

Treason is a particular legal charge, and we have slammed DT pretty hard for making claims about "thousands of illegal voters" with no evidence.

It's like an anti-choicer calling abortion "murder" and "infanticide," they may see it that way, but abortion doesn't fit the legal defintion of murder and infanticide.


I like to think we have a higher standard, even if a statement doesn't particularly strike us as outrage inducing enough.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
4. When do we start calling Trump an agent of Russia?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 08:58 PM
Jan 2018

I'm pretty sure we're past the point of pleasantries.

Let's call him what he is and put it on the Republicans to deny it (pretty hard when all his actions seem to support Russia).

Eyeball_Kid

(7,440 posts)
17. I mean this seriously:
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 10:54 PM
Jan 2018

You can start by calling Trumpy an agent of Russia.

Go onto different forums and find an avenue to make that statement. Keep doing it.

Keep doing it and you'll start to see others do it. Ideas propagate.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
51. That will go over like Kelleyanne saying that Obama was spying through microwaves.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:29 PM
Jan 2018

Or Obama being a racist who hates white people.

Saying that he's an agent when there isn't any direct evidence is really not much better than saying Obama was born in Kenya.

We are the party of facts....

We should act like it.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
85. Fine, everyone just constantly refer to him as Putin's Gopher ... extra benefit that he'll hate that
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:39 PM
Jan 2018

WAAAAY more ... and it's more insulting really.

Throw in Russian Lapdog for variety.

These descriptions have no particular meaning, just an implication, ergo ... nobody can accuse anyone of 'lying'.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
86. Yeah, those insults are totally going to get things done.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 09:07 PM
Jan 2018

I prefer that we concentrate on doing what we can to stop him, and not give him the attention that he seeks so desperately.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
54. Yeah, that press conference yesterday
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:31 PM
Jan 2018

devoted entirely to the Russian sanctions issue just proves that he doesn't do anything.....

But please, don't let that stop a bashing session.

JDC

(10,152 posts)
78. Yeah that's it. It's not a noticeable lack of charisma or energy.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:49 PM
Jan 2018

We all just don't get it. We need to slowly and methodically work the system. Just like MLK said. It's time for the tranquilizing effects of gradualism.

mcar

(42,476 posts)
80. I do not give one s&it about "charisma"
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:14 PM
Jan 2018

I don't want to have a beer with our candidates, I want to know if they can govern. And, if they are Democrats. Period.

JDC

(10,152 posts)
82. Nobody's said anything about socializing. We are talking about nessaging
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:24 PM
Jan 2018

It's part of today's governing. Like it or not. Idiots like *45 because he is perceived as strong in their mind. He's aggressive and it translates to votes. It's ridiculous, but it's true. Look at any poll that includes "strength" as a question. The same question posed/applied here would not garner the same positive results from a general audience. Pose to Democrats yes, maybe. Ind and Rep, no way.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
50. Oh, you think he's not yelling enough on the teevee.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:26 PM
Jan 2018

Other than the weekly press conferences? Like the one yesterday, devoted to the Russia sanctions:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/30/schumer-trump-russia-sanctions-379355

I guess he feels that he's got work to do.

He's a Senator from a big state. There are a lot of people he answers to.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
60. When does he take to the internet?
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jan 2018

Or is that too avant garde for him? TV is not the only avenue of contact - unless you're maybe an aging, anti-computer baby boomer. Decorum is all very well, but I'd like to see some outrage wrinkle his face now and then. I can only conclude he's trying to out-torpor the turtle. Nice for him, I guess, but we need some heartfelt inspiration right now - something akin to congressional cage fighting.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
61. Oh, so NOW you say that he's not on a FB live feed enough...
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:46 PM
Jan 2018

once someone points out that he actually is on the teevee...


https://www.facebook.com/senschumer/videos/10156222338959407/



And his face doesn't screw up enough in anger for you. And you need some more displays of testosterone.

Don't vote for him then, especially since you just can't put your finger on why, but you won't like anything he does or doesn't do, says or won't say.



theaocp

(4,252 posts)
64. Continual offense and not mealy-mouthed tut-tutting.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 04:30 PM
Jan 2018

You get direct and do not beat around the bush. Cheers.

Mc Mike

(9,118 posts)
21. It's like D rump is violating his oath of office. Like he foreswore himself when he took the oath.
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 11:04 PM
Jan 2018

Like he committed felony perjury on America.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,580 posts)
22. Is that last line supposed to be facetious?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 11:11 PM
Jan 2018

Either that, or has Schumer not been following politics for the last year? It's not that Drumpf isn't "more intent" on "standing up to Putin"...he has NO intention whatsoever of standing up to Putin.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
46. The ACA wasn't "spineless."
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:18 PM
Jan 2018

Ask anyone with a kid who had a pre-existing condition. It wasn't profanity laced bluster, but it was legislation.

And why don't you write up a "butt boy" statement for him?

I'm sure that Chuck is waiting with bated breath to meet your rage approval level.

Because some bad dude manly John Wayne asskicker talk always does what the law can't.

Yee haw! Testosterone will save the day.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,152 posts)
29. Why when trump commits treason and when our party leader stands up to him it is the
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 12:56 PM
Jan 2018

DEMOCRAT who is attacked on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND?

The Polack MSgt

(13,208 posts)
32. Tradition is why Eliot - DU Tradition
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 01:14 PM
Jan 2018

It is always our fault.

Choose the descriptor that suits the moment - Mainstream Dems, Blue Dogs, Establishment, Professional Elite - there are just so many choices!

But just keep in mind no matter what a Democrat says or does - It is feeble appeasement

No statements will suffice. On going behind the scenes maneuvers and strategies do not exist.

Any action that doesn't result in a crushing 100% victory - immediately - is caving in to the GOP and probably done because we are beholding to wall street and obviously owned by Goldman Sachs.

I mean c'mon you seem like a sharp operator, you know what's going on

Eliot Rosewater

(31,152 posts)
34. I like your answer better. I was going to laugh now with an emoji
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 01:23 PM
Jan 2018

but I cant anymore.

I am too busy fighting the entire right of this country and MUCH of the alleged left.

Your answer is tweet worthy, if you tweet I highly recommend you do it.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
56. Hey! Hey!
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:33 PM
Jan 2018

I have asked you nicely to sanction Russia. You leave me no choice but to... ask you nicely again.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
72. Nicely?
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:58 PM
Jan 2018

Well, I guess there's not enough testosterone there for you, but some of us like Senators who get things done.

Can you enlighten us as to what his manly options are?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
71. In what way is this "weak?"
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 06:54 PM
Jan 2018

Can you clarify?

Got some ideas for what he should be doing, but isn't?

Please list.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
73. I view it as this.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:17 PM
Jan 2018

What he said:

“We sanctioned the head of their intelligence and then the Trump administration invites him to waltz through our front door,” Schumer said. “This is an extreme dereliction of duty by President Trump, who seems more intent on undermining the rule of law in this country than standing up to Putin.”


What it sounds like:

We ordered a BLT from the day manager, and then the night manager invited this other group to waltz through the front door and order a sandwich ahead of us. That is an extreme dereliction of duty by that night manager, who seems more intent on undermining the day manager than standing up to the new customers who are trying to bully their way to the front of the line.

Stronger statements:

"I wish he'd talked about sanctions on the Russians and explained to us why he is not immediately imposing the sanctions, because I think (Russian) President (Vladimir) Putin has acted for the past five years like a thug

By Republican Senator Kennedy of Louisiana

It is a grave breach of President Trump’s responsibilities to reward President Putin by inaction for his intervention in an American election — it represents nothing less than appeasement for an attack on our country’s democracy,” said Representative Adam Smith of Washington State, the ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee. “It is time for us time to stand up for our country. We cannot let these actions to continue to go unpunished.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/world/europe/kremlin-russia-trump-list.html

Let’s go through the list,” Mr. Kennedy replied. “Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, he meddled in our election, he’s helping North Korea cheat. I mean it seems to me in terms of sanctions, we only hit him so hard he’s coughing up bones. I mean he’s not getting better. He’s getting worse.”

Republican Kennedy of Louisiana again

Schumer had been bolder earlier in the week, though, stating that Trump is afraid to sanction Putin.
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
74. Again... what would have been a "strong" alternative?
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:31 PM
Jan 2018

You say it was "better than nothing" but don't state what he could have done otherwise that would have been "not weak."

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
75. The other statements I cited as stronger. Using direct, strong words.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:34 PM
Jan 2018

Like "thug" (used by a Republican, no less). The other strong words I cited.

Schumer is being officially polite, that Trump didn't do what he was supposed to. No strong language, as far as I'm concerned.

At least he said something, though.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
76. Oh, he didn't use the word "thug" so that's "weak."
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:39 PM
Jan 2018

Not enough testosterone.

Being an effective legislator isn't enough strength. Actual strength is about him using angry words, when you are frustrated at a situation.

Got it.

I guess he won't be getting your vote next time he runs for re-election?


Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
79. Clear, direct language. Bold, strong words that say clearly what happened...
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 07:53 PM
Jan 2018

and what Trump is not doing. Not a statement that someone could make criticizing the procedure for ordering a sandwich, which is weak.

Stop arguing with me and being sarcastic. A mere adult response that is bold and clear...that you disagree, is all that is required.

Testosterone has nothing to do with speaking boldly and clearly. His response was, IMO, a typical political statement. Not much else.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
81. By "typical" you mean "pretty weak."
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:21 PM
Jan 2018

As per your post. Verbatim.

Is "pretty weak" "typical" for all long serving Democratic politicians, or just Schumer?

Can you clarify?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
83. You need to focus on something...
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:25 PM
Jan 2018

besides my one post. There's more to life. You made your point that you disagree, although you did it insultingly and sarcastically, which I see you are continuing.

Get a life, dude. And read a book on how to win an argument. You usu don't convince someone by insulting and sarcastic remarks. That's just flaming.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
84. Not going to back up your statements when
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:27 PM
Jan 2018

asked about them. Got it.

Asking you to clarify your conflicting posts is "flaming?"

You mean like saying that a "typical" statement from Schumer is "pretty weak?"

You made an insulting, sarcastic remark, then got offended when someone called you out on it, and call it "flaming."

Got it.

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