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Finally got into surgery at about 7 am this morning (Friday 6/1). We knew from the imaging that it would be bad. But gangrene? Bet that sucker was quite aromatic!
Now for the recovery. I'm typing through some morphine, trying to stay awake. Why?
My B/P plunged on Wednesday, to the 55/45 regions, and stayed there for about a day. Biliary sepsis.
Imaging on Thursday showed a wickedly angry, and dangerously distended gall bladder, with thick walls, fluid, and, lots-o-rocks. The surgeon got it before it popped. A gangrenous gall bladder.
What a week.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Oh my goodness that must have been unimaginably painful, and frightening.
I sure hope you will be okay soon.
Glad you are on the mend.
livetohike
(22,172 posts)need to recover
hlthe2b
(102,575 posts)That had to have been excruciatingly painful. REST up and glad you are on the mend.
a kennedy
(29,789 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,502 posts)what were your symptoms prior to this becoming an emergency? Also curious because I've had small gall stones reported from a non-related medical scan.
Congratulations for getting this done successfully and we hope you have a speedy recovery. Hopefully, your well-being will be much better in the long run.
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FailureToCommunicate
(14,034 posts)lots of reasons. My doc described them as more milk dud soft than stones though they are sort of crystalline. Many people have a few rattling around in the gall bladder never causing a problem. After a particularly greasy meal where the gall bladder has tried to deal with the glop, a stone can get stuck in the tiny tube and cause bad pain similar to heart attack. I opted to not have the organ removed ( (which carriers it own problems) and avoid super greasy foods. They say pectin-like from apples- or in pill form - can help keep the "stones" from forming. "Maybe"
DemoTex
(25,411 posts)Ended up in the ER and cardiac unit for all the tests, including a gamma-camera stress-EKG. Heart attack was ruled out. Had they continued the differential diagnosis protocol, the gall bladder problem would have shown up as culprit. Instead, I was sent home with a diagnosis of "constipation."
pnwmom
(109,026 posts)IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,078 posts)... I had a stabbing pain, from my middle back straight to the front, felt like I was pierced with a sword and intense ulcer type pain and heart burn. One of the ladies at the ASL interpreter workshop I was hosting at the facility I managed at the time, gave me a Pepto Bismol tab, it helped a bit, but not much.
They did ultra sound and seen 5 gall stones the first time, sent me home; second time, a week later, 8 gall stones, sent me home, "call your doctor on Monday (both trips to ER were on Saturdays). Got in to see my doctor and surgeon on Tuesday, he walked in and asked, "Why did you take so long to come to see me? Did you want to die first?"... "Get your butt across the street and in the emergency room, your gall bladder is the size of a flip phone"! And as I sat in the exam, he called the ER director across the street, literally, from his office, and yelled, "You should have never sent him home the first time, I will be right over for emergency surgery".
So... like the OP said... and was asked...
Just my two cents. Or was that 5 or 8 gall stones?
pnwmom
(109,026 posts)IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,078 posts)... and some antibiotic, I do not recall which one at this time. They gave me Maalox laced with lidocaine in the ER. Man, that was like a cold glass of milk after chomping on a ghost pepper. Sure felt good!
PS: Why does it take 40 minutes for the in house pharmacy to send pain killers to the emergency room? I have a high pain tolerance, but geez...
pnwmom
(109,026 posts)have had their gallbladders out, and one was in an emergency situation. So I understand the risks -- can't understand why some E.R.s don't.
Historic NY
(37,462 posts)I had several major attacks until they found it was the gall bladder. It was thought it was the appendix and then both and diverticulitis.I was in my late 30's.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,502 posts)The OP reminded me of that diagnosis and I've been complacent. I can't deal with spicy hot foods or very greasy ones these days, either. Also can't take turmeric suppliments. At 70, my GB and liver let me know when they're not happy, with an upset stomach.
Thanks for those reminders!......
MFM008
(19,837 posts)Small rough sharp green crystaline things.
My Dr saved me one for posterity from my 1988
Removal.
tavernier
(12,429 posts)Be well quickly!!
irisblue
(33,063 posts)Where will you be tomorrow? Who is with you?
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)kentuck
(111,111 posts)Are you going to be OK?
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)When you get ill, you do it up right, don't you? Shocking. So glad you got it in time.
Lochloosa
(16,086 posts)Seriously, take care.
Princess Turandot
(4,791 posts)Were they still able to do the surgery laparoscopically?
Best wishes for your recovery.
PatrickforO
(14,608 posts)Tough going and please accept my hope that you will have a full recovery.
Be mindful you might have to take probiotics from now on, though. Talk to your doctor when you come down from the morphine.
pnwmom
(109,026 posts)but no one ever said anything about that.
PatrickforO
(14,608 posts)until it is needed. Without a gallbladder, your liver injects bile directly into your intestines. Because of this, it is said you don't digest food quite as well, and in fact should avoid spicy foods and sweet, sweet ice cream stuff. Since I'm not a doctor, I'm including a couple of links for your family member, with the caveat to take them with a grain of salt and check with her doctor first.
That said, my wife takes vitamin D2, D6 and probiotics and maybe some kind of ox bile. Not sure. Good luck, though.
Note, she (my wife) did experience some bloating of her abdomen at first, as well.
https://www.everydayhealth.com/gallbladder/living-without-a-gallbladder.aspx
https://wellnessrepair.com/what-you-must-do-if-your-gallbladder-has-been-removed/
pnwmom
(109,026 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Now that what I call a die-hard DU-er. Get well soon and keep us posted.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,078 posts)... I am one of the few, one of the proud! (See above post of mine)
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)LittleGirl
(8,292 posts)By the way, my Mother had a gangrenous ovary and tube when she was 16 (70 yrs ago) and still had 5 kids after that. She's a super breeder! ha. Forgot to add, she's still alive!
Hope you recover quickly!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Hope you feel better soon!
elleng
(131,456 posts)Very glad it was gotten before it popped!
I looked yellow-ish a few years ago, day or so later saw image of lots of rocks, said remove the whole thing and they did. Now I rarely recall that I have no gall!!! bladder.
Be well!
FailureToCommunicate
(14,034 posts)a good surgery team. Good luck as you recover! I had a bout with those nasty "stones" and did not like it one bit!
skylucy
(3,749 posts)Get well soon! You know what? I think it was all TRUMPS FAULT!
classof56
(5,376 posts)BTW, we still miss ya out here in Deschutes County.
Blessings.
flying_wahini
(6,720 posts)and Get some rest.
lapfog_1
(29,244 posts)in fact, most fatty foods...
Solly Mack
(90,803 posts)Hoping you heal well and heal strong.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I've never heard of such a situation. You are one lucky dude to have had that diagnosed when it was. I would think that when you have totally recovered, you are going to feel SO good!
"What a week" is an understatement.
Good luck with your recovery.
mnhtnbb
(31,420 posts)You should be feeling much better very soon with it gone.
Rest up and don't be afraid to take your pain meds on schedule to stay ahead of the pain.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Sending good vibes your way. Hope you have a quick recovery.
Since you are on morphine, be sure to drink lots of water and stool softeners, if allowed.
Glad you caught it in time.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,931 posts)Oh, my. Hope you recover completely.
Are you not doing the fire watch thing any more?
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)and become gangrenous if not removed. My gallbladder became diseased, I had no stones and the doctor told me that it had to come out or it would die and turn gangrenous. They have a test that measures how well your galbladders functioning. This was all news to me at the time, too.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Hope ur doing better. As my wife tells me 'do what the doctor tells u to do'.
Leith
(7,818 posts)Everybody I'm related to (by blood and marriage) has had their gall bladder removed. I'm just waiting for my turn.
Every one of them has had no post-op problems. Once in a while, there is some reaction to high fat foods, but that goes away in a few hours.
Take care.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,840 posts)Wow, gangrenous gall bladder! Scary, painful stuff.
Glad you made it through everything OK and are now recovering.
GET WELL SOON, OK?
greatauntoftriplets
(175,776 posts)Enjoy the drugs while you're on them, they take away the pain.
oasis
(49,491 posts)Texasgal
(17,049 posts)Hope you are healing well!!!
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,370 posts)Give it a Viking funeral.
MFM008
(19,837 posts)Gallbladder and stones, appendix, knees, everything from my hysterectomy, my teeth, half a stomach... kidney stones... I would have enough to create a twin... Dr's refuse of course....
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,370 posts)barbtries
(28,824 posts)glad they caught it. get well soon
lpbk2713
(42,777 posts)And I'm sure you'll agree.
Glad you are on the road to recovery.
spanone
(135,951 posts)Hekate
(91,055 posts)My appendix was full of stones when it went kablooie and almost killed me. But the thing about the stones cleared up one mystery in my mind: the intermittent and irregular episodes of excruciating pain that had plagued me a couple of times a year for over 30 years.
Take care of yourself, Demo Tex. People love you.
JoeOtterbein
(7,703 posts)blood cells. This is what I learned when I tried to sleep after a dangerous operation. Imagine the good cells gathering to overwhelm the enemy!
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)area51
(11,945 posts)pansypoo53219
(21,015 posts)Vinca
(50,336 posts)Just in time.
Best wishes for a total quick recovery.
BumRushDaShow
(130,122 posts)And that is some amazing spirit to post on DU after that (although I expect it can be a good distraction).
malaise
(269,352 posts)Demsrule86
(68,867 posts)Maraya1969
(22,520 posts)CousinIT
(9,278 posts)Take care. Wishing you full recovery! FAST.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)MineralMan
(146,354 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)Several years ago this happened to a dear friend of mine. Out of the blue, out of town visiting their daughter she was gripped by *the* pain. As you put it gall bladders can get quite angry.
She's fine now and so will you be. Thanks so much for letting us all know what's been happening. Take care and know that we'll be thinking all good thoughts for you every day as you recover.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)his phone away and he's hopefully feeling most of a day better.
I thought my recent severe pancreatitis caused by gall stone blockage was a little rough. Nothing like what you had/have. Good luck.
ellie
(6,929 posts)I was 38 at the time when it was removed. From a lifetime of eating "low fat."
Johnyawl
(3,205 posts)That's some scary shit! As they say, getting old is a bitch, but it's better than the alternative
Very best wishes and hopes for a speedy recovery from Geni and I
malthaussen
(17,241 posts)Now that you have been purged of your gall, you should be a much sweeter man.
-- Mal
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,257 posts)My discharge instructions did not prepare me for what recovery would be like.
When you have a gall bladder and eat fat, your gall bladder releases an appropriate amount of bile. But now you don't have a gall bladder, so there is no regulation of the amount of bile your liver puts out. Normally your liver produces about a quart of bile a day, so it will be dumping bile instead of your gall bladder releasing as much or as little as needed.
What happens? DIARRHEA!!! URGENT liquid diarrhea. Know where the nearest bathroom is at all times. Carry a change of underwear. No, I'm not kidding. The urge will hit you FAST.
You should eat frequent small meals instead of 3 large meals. You still want to eat healthy fats and oils, just a little at a time.
When you eat too big a meal with too much fat, it will go straight through you. Then nutrition becomes a problem. The nutrients in your food don't have enough time to be absorbed, so consider taking vitamins. For better absorbtion I use a liquid multivitamin. A liver support supplement is good too.
Probiotics are your friend. You can take them in pill form, but it's even better to add fermented foods like kefir, sauerkraut, kimchi, etc.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Youre an invaluable and unique contributor to DU. We all love you.
Fla Dem
(23,898 posts)cate94
(2,817 posts)Get well soon!
colorado_ufo
(5,746 posts)God bless you (if you don't mind my saying that!). What an ordeal. I spent 30+ years in the medical community, in various roles (surgical assistant, back office, medical transcription, etc.) and never saw a gangrenous gallbladder.
A speedy recovery to you: Just focus on how FABULOUS you will feel when you are healed! I am sure that thing festered under the radar for a long time.
woofless
(2,670 posts)Heal!
keepon, keepin on
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)rasberry
(49 posts)I also had a gangrenous gall bladder which was removed laparoscopically. Unfortunately some gall stones escaped and blocked my liver bile duct and more procedures were required several weeks later.
Good luck to you.
Tikki
(14,565 posts)and I am a girl. 44 years later...Never a problem.
I certainly have empathy for what you have been through.
You will start feeling better soon.
This kind of surgery and after care and excellent results are
pretty routine now.
Tikki
kooth
(219 posts)Sounds like that the worst is over: Hang tough and get better!
LeftInTX
(25,824 posts)But mine is still in!!
Best of luck to you and hope you get well real fast!!
Hope your blood pressure rises quickly!!
My grandmother had gangrene of the brain. (She had a death wish for 3 years after breaking her hip. Gangrene of the brain was about the only thing that could kill her)