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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm watching groundbreaking socialist liberal propaganda on Netflix.
The Andy Griffith Show. Have you seen it yet? My god.
Yes, not a black person in sight. And certain episodes haven't aged well.
But the wisdom, the delicacy of thought and emotional intelligence in other episodes --
Astounding. Absolutely the best parts of down-to-earth America. Plain and simple love. True heartfulness.
Brilliant writing. This show will be played in space. It should be required watching for all Americans. I know my kids loved it, still talk about it.
Andy Griffith -- wherever you are, sir, I salute you.
And I wish you were real.
And the music! Holy cow!
BannonsLiver
(16,548 posts)As you mentioned not a person of color in sight but I think that reflects tv in the early 1960s. On the upside at least it avoided the painful stereotypes of the help prevalent in other shows and films of that era.
Talk about not aging well. Song of the South comes to mind. Disney has never made it available on home video formats. I remember seeing it in a double feature with a new Disney release called Condor Man around 1981, and even 9 year old me could see that it was offensive and ridiculous.
patricia92243
(12,607 posts)"Gilligan" was obviously lip-sinked but I'm not sure about the girl.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)2naSalit
(86,968 posts)bdtrppr6
(796 posts)the greatest tv show ever. any time we don't know what to watch, don't want to commit, we choose "Andy".
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)they are opposite and dont belong to the same sentence.
Beartracks
(12,839 posts)Would love to be able to succinctly argue how the right is wrong when they equate the two, which they ALWAYS do.
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TimeSnowDemos
(476 posts)The right can't define socialism.it equates it to Venezuala and China, neither of which are socialist countries because - guess what - there's never been a socialist country. When dictators and conmen use words it's a fool that just believes them eg. North Korea claims to be a Republic. Using that definion America must be a dictatorship, because it too claims to be. Republic. Etc.
Americans are known globally to not understand the word socialism and communism. In fact Wikipedia even has a page explaining that Americans can't define th word socialism.
So don't be confused by the right OR the left in America.
Google socialism, learn what it means, and then decide for YOURSELF, if it's liberal or not.
TimeSnowDemos
(476 posts)Because frankly you're absolutely wrong.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a basic personality type with distinctive characteristics, conservative the other. If anyone wants to discuss liberalism, liberal democracy or conservative economic policy, say, that has to be identified further.
Socialism is a form of social organization (that can be run by liberal or conservative leaders, but the latter have a way of corrupting and putting it under authoritarian control if not stopped).
There not only can be, and is, such a thing as liberal socialism because socialist systems can be based on on liberal principles. Successful liberal partial socialist systems in Scandinavia should not be confused with failed socialist dictatorships elsewhere.
Btw. in spite of what right-wing propaganda is pushing big time, there is no such thing as liberal fascism, because liberal personality and liberalism are incompatible with fascism. Fascism is an authoritarian archconservative philosophy, whether the government form is "left" (production officially owned by the people) or "right" (privately owned).
As one prominent fascist put it,"Fascism is the state, liberalism is the individual." Benito Mussolini
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Social democracy is not the same thing as democratic socialism. The Nordic Model is quite capitalistic.
Beartracks
(12,839 posts)hunter
(38,353 posts)And I'm damned well pleased when someone calls me a radical environmentalist or some kind of Luddite.
This thing we currently call "economic productivity" is not productivity at all, it's a direct measure of the damage we are doing to whatever's left of the earth's natural environment and our own human spirit.
If we were smart we'd be paying people to experiment with lifestyles having small environmental footprints. People with high energy industrial consumer lifestyles might look over at people successfully living with less and say, "Whoa, why are those tofu eaters happy and I'm not?"
Do people *need* automobiles to be happy? Do people *need* factory farm meat? Do people *need* a giant house with 200 amp electrical service and central air conditioning?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Simply saying it as such doesn't make your case. Lay out for us the objective evidence which supports your premise.
Otherwise, I'm under the impression you are unaware of either definition. And by reading the relevant historical and political texts in existence, you can easily and conveniently rectify your dramatic lack of knowledge as it applies to both words.
Good luck!
Or, you can simply go the mentally lazy route, and allege you're right and everyone else is wrong.
I'm betting on a variation of the latter option.
Judi Lynn
(160,683 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Still makes me laugh my ass off after nearly 60 years.
Lately I've been obsessed with that other pinko liberal show from the late 1950s, Have Gun - Will Travel--about a highly educated, Shakespeare-quoting, racially tolerant San Franciscan gunfighter.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)when I was 4 years old !!!!!
PatSeg
(47,770 posts)I watched it as a kid, but can't remember any of the episodes now.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)YouTube has a lot of the episodes. I just found out that our local library has the DVDs available for loaning.
Amazon has the DVDs for sale at about 10 dollars a season. You can't even get into a single movie for that price. Treat yourself and buy a season of Have Gun - Will Travel. You won't regret it.
PatSeg
(47,770 posts)We had MeTV very briefly when we switched to Comcast, but we went back to Dish TV after a few days. I'll check out YouTube. The theme song is playing in my head right now!
PatSeg
(47,770 posts)Dish TV does have MeTV, which is great as it has a lot of old TV programs. Thanks again.
tblue37
(65,552 posts)for some reason I was thinking about it just yesterday.
GMTA.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I mean, for the time it was made. You could not make a TV show these days about a main character who is educated and cultured and tolerant of others, but who is still "tough". Those other qualities are not acceptable now. Richard Boone pulled it all off.
Gene Roddenberry was one of the writers for this show. He enfolded a lot of his ideas into Star Trek.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)If I knew how to post videos I would post the time he explaines why. Should be required watching for anyone buying a firearm.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)tblue37
(65,552 posts)argyl
(3,064 posts)The guitar player is Clarence White, one of the all time greats. Not only in bluegrass but as a member of The Byrds as well. He was maybe 17 when these were recorded.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)the Dilllards..a real family....Clarence White came much later.
argyl
(3,064 posts)Clarence was a mean picker but couldn't sing for shit. I checked out IMDB and The Country Boys played on Season 1, Epi.19.
PatSeg
(47,770 posts)I've seen every episode more times than I can count. To hear Ron Howard describe his time on the show, it sounded like a really positive environment and Andy was like a 2nd father.
Andy managed to write music into the show whenever he could. It was a show quite unlike any other.
Mc Mike
(9,118 posts)csziggy
(34,140 posts)Docreed2003
(16,905 posts)Andy becomes a real a-hole when Barnie leaves the show...it's clear the dynamics changed after that. That being said, the show is still one of my faves.
Sancho
(9,072 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,522 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,522 posts)But other than that......
MountCleaners
(1,148 posts)...unless "Crocodile Hunter" was on. Except late one night, I was, for some reason, watching one of those "nostalgia" channels. And Andy Griffith came on. The dog watched the entire show. It wasn't my choice for the night, but he was smiling and doing his dog "laugh" and loved it so much I couldn't bear to change the channel.
I had to start watching it to see what the dog was seeing in it.
2naSalit
(86,968 posts)quite the flatpicker himself.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)If you liked this, you have GOT to watch "A Face in the Crowd"
byronius
(7,413 posts)Showed Griffith's acting chops. The man had skills.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)That movie warned us about Donald Trump 60 years ahead of time. If only we'd listened.
A Face in the Crowd is a classic, must-see movie.
Mopar151
(10,014 posts)Of De-escalation and defusing situations. They should show the relevant episodes in the Police Academy!