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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNow this is really bad....look how fat tRump is compared to all the other leaders......
http://www.businessinsider.com/awkward-g7-family-photo-shows-tensions-at-the-summit-2018-6 Im so embarrassed of that AND WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP tRamp is.kimbutgar
(21,290 posts)Kaleva
(36,409 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,786 posts)Maybe we could say a few words about his, oh, I don't know, policies?
a kennedy
(29,793 posts)but he really just stands out with all the other leaders being so slender.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Trump is a piece of crap who takes children away from their parents and puts them in cages.
He needs to be shamed in every way imaginable.
Ignore the Trump defender above. He/she is being an asshole.
Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)It is the same principle. when you shame someone for a characteristic that is not inherently bad - you are passing judgment on everyone else who shares that characteristic.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Trump is a wannabe dictator who actively works to take human rights away and them blames our side for it. Why do you think a man who is putting immigrant children in dog cages after traumatizing them by ripping them away from their parents deserves to be treated like a decent human being? If you object to the trajectory hes started this country into then you should put your efforts into fighting him instead of fighting those who are fighting him. If you want to rise above it then by all means do so. But putting others down for objecting to him in any way is counter productive and positions you as some kind of morality police.
Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)It has to do with not using fat friends as a battering ram against who is currently the insult target. When I use them to take a swing at the target, they invariably get hurt.
If you don't believe fat is inherently vile, it isn't an insult. So if you are using fat as an insult, you are telling everyone else (including all the fat members of DU), exactly how disgusting you think they are.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)It doesnt bother me one iota when anyone insults grotesque gross people by calling them fat. Im also a woman and I dont get my feelings hurt by someone usind the c word. Im 70 yet not insulted if someone assumes Im a doddering senile old woman. Ive done quite well fighting back. But your morality compass is assuming all the things I am need your protection somehow. Believe me if you want to protect anyone then protect those who cant protect themselves, like people being denied life saving health benefits, or families left destitute by being torn apart by Trump and Sessions government.
Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)you don't get to speak for all of the others - several of whom have spoken in this thread saying it is hurtful.
The TOS prohibits bigotry, including when it is targeted against body type.
Members are expected to respect diversity and demonstrate an appropriate level of sensitivity when discussing related topics. Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, or other forms of bigoted intolerance are not permitted.
Why we have this rule: Democratic Underground is a diverse community which includes people of every race, sex, religious belief (or lack thereof), sexual orientation, gender identity, body type, disability, age, etc. We want to promote a welcoming atmosphere for all of our members, and do not want to provide a platform for bigotry
So - while no one is suggesting you have to feel insulted, the TOS says you can't use fat as an insult in this forum.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)By all means stand fast on your morality beliefs.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Hard to imagine anything more disgusting than he, including fat shaming.
Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)that hurts many of our members as long as we aren't more disgusting than Trump?
The point is that shaming Trump inherently also shames everyone else whois fat, including members of DU who have repeatedly asked that fat shaming stop.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We know it refers only to the disgusting POS in the WH. And I'm fat.
Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)fat-shaming trump. You will find members of DU who are fat who are hurting.
Using "disgusting fat slob" (as an example) as a term of insult inherently means you think "fat" is "disgusting" and that being fat is associated with being lazy and slovenly.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)fuck off is model behavior?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Many in this place do not give a fuck if they insult people here.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)as Trump and think that everything revolves around you no one insulted you in this thread.
Hekate
(91,055 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)Using characteristics (race, gender, body types, sexual orientation, etc.) as an insult presumes those characteristics are negative. They don't work as an insult UNLESS they are bad - and they send a notice ot the world that the speaker believes that characteristic to be bad.
(Aside from which expressing bigotry based on body type is prohibited on DU by teh TOS, just as doing so based on race is.)
mnhtnbb
(31,428 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)The discrimination against people who are overweight is similar - at least in nature - to discrimination based on race. Obesity can no more be hidden than skin color (as opposed to sexual orientation or, often mental illness). Unlike discrimination based on race (until, perhaps the Trump effect), it is socially acceptable and legal discriminate based on weight - so it is often not even hidden.
While such bias is less likely to end in targeted violence than bias against blacks, it does have a physical impact via health care - via misdiagnosis of asthma, COPD use of inappropriate or no equipment or just plain refusal to provide medical care for the person rather than obesity
In addition - weight is not as changeable as you might imagine. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1580453
In addition to ordinary challenges to losing weight and keeping it off, there are medical bases for an inablity to lose weight or to maintain the loss (thyroid imbalance, lipedema, hormone impalance) or drugs for other health issues that make it difficult or impossible to lose weight (Corticosteroids, diabetes drugs, antidepressants, steroid hormones, antihistamines, beta blockers, anticonvulsants, antipsychotics and migraine medication).
We should not be engaged in a debate about who it is OK to scorn, based on whether the targets deserve scorn because they can change the characteristic that makes them a target (remember people used that logic against LGBT individuals for decades). We should condemn all shaming based on race, sex, religious belief (or lack thereof), sexual orientation, gender identity, body type, disability, age - and OH - look here - that's what the TOS says, as far as participation on DU.
mnhtnbb
(31,428 posts)Some of us feel you made a false equivalency between obesity and race/color with your argument about bias, discrimination, and shaming. I'm insulted by the equivalency and I'm an overweight senior white woman of privilege.
End of argument.
Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)Using any personal characteristic as an insult inherently defines that characteristic as bad. And the argument about immutability - do you know how long that ws used to justify blatant hate speech directed at LBGT individuals?
I was responding to someone who was being particularly dense about the concept that using a personal characteristic as an insult hurts others who share the same characteristic by using a blatant example that everyone recognizes as insulting all those why share the characteristic to make a point, because the the person I was speaking to was blowing off the pain it causes, despite the responses from fat DU members in this thread - and every time being fat is used as an insult, or as a stand-in for being disgusting, lazy, etc.
If you have a better way of making that point, feel free to share so that I can adopt it - BUT if your point is that using fat as an insult is hunky dory, then you are just plain wrong, and to the extent you use that insult here, it violates the TOS.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)Just look through any thread on DU in which fat is used as an insult - you will see DU members who are hurt by it.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)There children do not get separated? Are American children worth less than immigrant children?
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)trueblue2007
(17,250 posts)bet he looks pretty much like this statue.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)He should be shamed for a million things, including how he lies about being in such great shape and weighing 235 lbs.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Because lowering to his level and making fun of people's physical characteristics makes one like him.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)Fat, short, skinny, bald, flat chested woman, etc etc
are all personal attacks and should be avoided.
That kind of attacks should be limited to elementary school level.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)But to side with him on anything by tearing down people on your side is to just act like a morality policeman.
Are you really defending this strongman wannabe who is taking away your rights as we speak? Do you think we should police our reactions to him when hes comparing Mexicans to rapists and murderers? Or forcibly taking small children and terrorizing them by forcibly tearing them away from their parents and throwing them in dog cages in a warehouse? Are we supposed to be polite to him? Is he supposed to be too precious for our side to fight him in any way we can?
kcr
(15,331 posts)See, I think people who are more worried about whether a person says the C word, or called Trump fat and think those kinds of things are the absolute worst thing a person could do are seriously skewed in their judgment, and lead to utterly whackadoo false equivalencies. I wonder why they even oppose Trump in the first place and how their time isn't taken 24 hours a day with resisting just about every other person on the planet against their own pure, perfect selves.
marble falls
(57,647 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)but in reality slapping one of us down for violating your brand of ethics in this situation is pretty self serving. Why must our side not express disdain against a wannabe dictator who is trying to take everything, including human rights away from us. Wheres your morality regarding the monstrous act of throwing child immigrants in dog cages after snatching them away from their parents? It seems you prefer to defend him by shaming your side.
marble falls
(57,647 posts)grotesque hair styling etc will begin to trivialize his real, provable, significant shortcomings and crimes. He'll become a fat nasty clown and not the traitorous, incompetent, apparently without scruples and degenerate sexually assaultive solipsist he is.
I'm fat. Want to take a swing at me?
I know this: cheetolini is a lot worse than being overweight. If you think this opinion of mine slimes anyone here on DU I will submit respectfully your concern is as misapplied as it is hyper exagerated.
If you think I don't weigh in on the abomination in the White House on DU you don't know enough about me to short-shrift my character. It just becomes another meaningless character assassination.
We don't want him out because he's fat. We want him out because he is who he is.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I am quite comfortable with all three and quite capable of fighting my own battles which Ive done all my life, and very effectively. It doesnt offend me in the least to see someone use all these things as insults.
Other than that I agree with you on all your points. But you wont find me shaming anyone on my side of the Trump issue for how they express their anger and shock about what he is and what hes doing. Infighting among ourselves only serves his agenda.
marble falls
(57,647 posts)I look like more than half of Congress and I'm just as old as most of them.
Our day is over and it largely has been a disaster for everyone but a very small minority of Americans.
I agree with every word of your last post. Implicitly. My hope is we come out of this Nov 6 election with a Congress that looks a lot less like me. To do this I will work with you and other fellow Democrats to get out the vote. This is one of the few times were we literally have to hang tight to each other or we will lose maybe the last chance we have to get Congress fixed before its too late.
Congress is to be the voice of the people and not the rubber stamp of a wannabe dictator.
Yup! If we stick together through everything we have a chance. If not well lose much more than we think.
bdamomma
(63,978 posts)we need to put them back on track, they do get their cues from us. If we speak out loudly the Congress may get it.
None of this: The repigs broke it they fix it crap they don't fix anything. Just my opinion.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)MFM008
(19,839 posts)And no I'm not better than that.
marble falls
(57,647 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,786 posts)than his body type to complain about.
Please pardon me for defending Trump, but per post https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210711486#post50, I'm an asshole. I just can't help it, I guess.
stonecutter357
(12,699 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I doubt it's "the best we can come up with." My guess would be "it's simply one more thing..." rather than best thing.
But, if you think that it is in fact, the "best we can come up with," that flaw appears to an argument of your own making no one else holds, rather than a collective sentiment.
As for words about his "oh-you-don't-know" policies, I'll direct you to approximately 75% of the posts on DU.
(But I get it... pretending we're offended by a thing, and further pretending it's the sole content of DU, does allow one to live a rather imaginative and fictitious world of our making)
BannonsLiver
(16,549 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,030 posts)and eat a helping of mac and cheese and a cookie and watch cartoons, while the adults are sitting at the big table, eating grown-up food and discussing important grown-up stuff.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,041 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,122 posts)D_Master81
(1,823 posts)* these stats are authorized and approved by President Trump's office.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)I am fat. He is fat.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)greymattermom
(5,754 posts)is 6'2". Just compare their heights.
Cha
(298,139 posts)Just a comparison from 3 years ago..
lunatica
(53,410 posts)looks like the start of a much anticipated partay!!
I leave it up to you too decipher which is which!
Cha
(298,139 posts)Good description, lunatica..
treestar
(82,383 posts)Which he is, as those are real world leaders.
Cha
(298,139 posts)bdamomma
(63,978 posts)was in present time. That is when we were admired by everyone. We had a smart professional knowledgeable man as President.
Geez we are really in trouble.
That piece of trash junk food stole our most prestigious title and now we are isolated. Sucks really.
ProfessorGAC
(65,466 posts)From the waist up.
Assuming his height is correct, he has the dimensions of an NFL linebacker. He is DEFINITELY not built like an NFL linebacker.
That 237 is the just another lie, and he got a military doctor to do the lying for him. Anything PINO gets near turns to feces.
thegoose
(3,115 posts)Scowling with arms at sides. What an embarrassment!
unblock
(52,513 posts)Committed crimes to become president, committed crimes to get away with it, is destroying our government, is pitting Americans against Americans, is bankrupting our treasury, is breaking up families, is breaking treaties, is breaking alliances, is turning America into a Russian satellite state,...
... but "fat".
That's what you're gonna go with, fat.
Alllll righty then.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)But HOW can you lie about your height?
unblock
(52,513 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)As you age, you shrink.
I've always said I was 5' 2.5" tall. At various doctor's offices during my cancer treatment (within a 3 month time-frame, at most), I was measured as anywhere from 5' to 5'2."
So - I've shrunk at least a half an inch - perhaps as much as 2.5" - and the doctors' offices don't agree as to my current height. Those that had a tape on the wall, I suspect misplacement of the tape. But at least two that had an integrated height and weight unit measured me at least a half an inch different from each other. Time of day - gravity taking its toll on older bones?
But height is not as objective as it might seem.
Hekate
(91,055 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)"One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong..."
Cha
(298,139 posts)this President..
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He was such a gift. How low we have sunk since then.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And looks like part of that group, unlike the Dotard.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)to make him really look alone
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Seagulls could land and nest on it.
Texasgal
(17,049 posts)We have enough ways to shame him.... Please don't do the body shame.
shraby
(21,946 posts)I don't think he needs anyone to cut him any slack
Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)When you express disgust for someone because of how fat they are, you are telling anyone else who also happens to be fat just how you feel about them.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)He lies about it - he must be exposed
Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)Unless you're there with him peering at the scale. (I think it highly likely - but that is still just speculation).
2. To the extent he is lying about his weight, then shame him for lying - not for being fat
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Just look at his body language. He KNOWS he doesn't belong.
Kajun Gal
(1,907 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)With none of Cartman's intelligence.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Hope this image shows up.
rhiannon55
(2,672 posts)They really are unusually small.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)think he got tired of all the political cartoonist making fun of it?
rhiannon55
(2,672 posts)I love the way he's standing.
MontanaMama
(23,369 posts)Dayum! What a cutie patootie inside and out. A good man.
sir pball
(4,768 posts)He's bigger than the other men for sure, but they're wearing much higher quality suits in both fit and finish, most likely bespoke.
It's amazing what a difference in appearance that level of detail makes, moreso when the "husky" fellow in the rack suit is a lazy slob with no concept of gravitas or poise.
radius777
(3,635 posts)and looks like bloated penguin about to fall over.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,604 posts)But then, if he was buttoned up he couldn't show off his Trump tie extending below his belt, as usual.
pansypoo53219
(21,016 posts)uponit7771
(90,378 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)despite the Russia/Wikileaks/alt-right efforts to install her.
Putin would've had two puppets up there instead of one.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,931 posts)A true mystery.
Beaverhausen
(24,476 posts)What the fuck DU? We should be better than this.
question everything
(47,616 posts)As far as I am concerned "insensitivity" does not apply to him. With all his mocking, and offending.
Beaverhausen
(24,476 posts)msongs
(67,509 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,137 posts)And you've just told them exactly what you think of them.
Beaverhausen
(24,476 posts)People like you arent worth it
DangerousRhythm
(2,916 posts)It's a good thing you have the skill to look at someone and tell what they're guilty of having done to their bodies and how poorly it reflects on their character. That's news to me. I'll never defend this shitbag some people call the president, but that statement is WAY wrong and doesn't account for about a million different situations one might encounter out in reality.
nadine_mn
(3,702 posts)I appreciate your insight on the fact that according to your philosophy I am a shit person. Never mind my years of advocacy for victims of domestic violence, my volunteer work or just in general the fact that I consider myself to be a loving and generous person- I am fat...even fatter than Trump..which makes me an even worse person than he is.
meadowlander
(4,413 posts)Hekate
(91,055 posts)I forgot she actually had a cohort.
Because, wow, that goes so far beyond what the OP was trying to say that it's left planetary orbit and is accelerating.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Cha
(298,139 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,396 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,218 posts)And he's starting to come down from whatever drugs they shot him up with.
And the seven layers of Kevlar don't do much for his svelte MANLY-MAN figure, either.
And I think the picture was taken just before he started drooling on himself.
ChrisTee
(63 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,218 posts)Another year or two, and I think he'll start looking like Cartman.
Rhiannon12866
(207,016 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,755 posts)Trudeau is wearing brown shoes with a blue suit. I'm going to need some brain bleach!!!11!11!!!
Rhiannon12866
(207,016 posts)Next thing you know, he'll be chewing gum!
tavernier
(12,431 posts)Its how he stands, like he has a stick up his ass. The others have beautiful posture and form. And it doesnt help that he buys his suits from Omar the tent maker. No taste, no class.
Cha
(298,139 posts)llmart
(15,572 posts)like he has a pantful. Probably does.
yonder
(9,687 posts)his 6'-?" lying ass looks winded from however far he had to walk for the photo.
Vinca
(50,342 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)He doesn't act well either but the bags under his eyes are tells he's not sleeping, and I wonder if he's on amphetamines again. His declining health is showing.
bornfree17
(89 posts)Make you lose weight. He's not getting sleep because he is haunted by his actions
raccoon
(31,138 posts)A persons weight isnt just a matter of calories in, calories worked off. It may be a metabolic problem. And some meds cause weight gain. Everyone That Ive known in real life who is taking SSRIs has gained a bunch of weight.
treestar
(82,383 posts)eat well, but in the ways that cause problems.
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Bettie
(16,151 posts)to how awful he is, unless you are making the argument that all people above whatever size you deem correct are inherently evil.
The fact that he is the living embodiment if pretty much every negative characteristic possible should be enough. There are so many reasons to despise him, but "look at the fatty" is the go-to for many people.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Do you also belittle all POC because of the bad actions of one black person?
Do you also belittle all women because of the actions of one bad woman?
Do you also belittle all LGBTQ people because of the actions of one bad LGBTQ person?
Does Trump deserve everything that gets thrown at him? Yes, but that doesn't mean you have to play into his name-calling, ignorant, and juvenile games by behaving as ignorant and juvenile as he does.
This is suppose to be a progressive site but some days you just have to wonder about that.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Wonder how long it would take for a hide if a DUer said "She looks like a $5 hooker!" about Melania's appearance?
Trek4Truth
(515 posts)like a slob. I'm not shaming anyone just making an observation.
samnsara
(17,667 posts)...and wishing she could be a Cougar!
pandr32
(11,646 posts)...who is taller, fitter, much more handsome, and way more popular.
Butterflylady
(3,560 posts)He never has his jacket buttoned. I wonder why?
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)for all those who are offended. imo
It is revenge shaming on my part, and perhaps many others. I have not forgotten that he called Miss Universe, "Miss Piggy".
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)about Trump is fat.
JUST STOP.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,476 posts)Who are you people?
Hekate
(91,055 posts)So many delicate sensibilities to be offended all on one message board. Imagine.
Let me put it this way: the man is bloated and puffy and looks unhealthy as all get out. He looks and acts irritable. He looks like he doesn't get enough sleep and doesn't eat right. His bad habits have caught up with him. He looks choleric, like a stroke waiting to happen.
But oooooo, body shaming: we can't state the obvious because someone will make it all about them.
meadowlander
(4,413 posts)It's about all the fat people (including fat kids) reading this thread and thinking - "I can't be a leader because I don't look how a leader should look" "I shouldn't put myself out there because people will judge me" "People think I'm stupider, lazier or less capable than other people because of my weight".
Trump is a terrible leader because he is lazy, ignorant, self-involved, petty and short tempered, not because he is fat. The OP isn't about his health. It is saying "He's an embarrassment compared to other world leaders because of the way he looks." And that does make it about everyone else who happens to look the same way Trump does.
Hekate
(91,055 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Forgot to add this earlier:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/19/ill-give-her-a-week-to-lose-the-baby-weight-trump-said-of-melania-months-before-alleged-tryst-with-porn-star/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.26374cc8ce56
'I'll give her a week' to lose the baby weight, Trump said of Melania, months before alleged tryst with porn star
by Callum Borchers January 19
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Literally.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)that ample ass.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)bdamomma
(63,978 posts)tRump doesn't exercise, plus his mirror is telling him he is the fairest of them all!!
BigDemVoter
(4,160 posts)We can say the same thing regarding this fucking pig. He consumes 2/3 of the total of anything. . . What a goddamned swine.
ailsagirl
(22,912 posts)doc03
(35,459 posts)with a person being a good or bad president. I remember Rush Limbaugh comparing Chelsie Clinton to a dog.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)msdogi
(430 posts)He just looks sloppy, badly dressed, way out of shape and really pissed. Another is the long string of humiliations to our country for letting this slime be where he is.