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sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:04 PM Jun 2018

McCain Statement on todays events.




To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values. Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn’t.

..............................

Use your last days please to denounce and take down this piece of shit and you will earn our eternal gratitude.

Time to make a stand McCain.
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McCain Statement on todays events. (Original Post) sunonmars Jun 2018 OP
I'm sure his energy level is not up to normal lapfog_1 Jun 2018 #1
If I was McCain, I would denounce Trump publically and resign from the GOP as a last act of defiance sunonmars Jun 2018 #2
But think about it... pangaia Jun 2018 #7
I wouldn't let an interloper drive me from the party I'd belonged to all my adult life. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #18
Why are they Scarsdale Jun 2018 #40
The old time Republicans aren't really in his corner. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #47
The tweet is the stand. nt Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #3
yeah... but asking him to appear on TV or make a speech or something lapfog_1 Jun 2018 #4
I didn't take it as the OP meant to literally take a stand. nt Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #10
+1. I think it's amazing he's even tweeting. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #19
Maybe his daughter JohnnyRingo Jun 2018 #33
That might even have been from Meagan McCain JohnnyRingo Jun 2018 #32
Meghan loves trump AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #37
I don't think so anymore JohnnyRingo Jun 2018 #39
it's only because her father is in terminal conditition AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #49
Her excuse is that she is "explaining" the Trump voter trixie2 Jun 2018 #53
I'm glad someone made this statement YessirAtsaFact Jun 2018 #5
Well, I think it's bullshit. From where I stand, I see almost every Republican supporting Trump. TheBlackAdder Jun 2018 #34
Me, too. Scarsdale Jun 2018 #41
How horrific to lose his voice soon, just when we need it most. No, I've not forgotten hlthe2b Jun 2018 #6
If he wasn't this ill... robbob Jun 2018 #16
I don't know...this thing between the two started before McCain was ill. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #20
FAIR TRADE. pangaia Jun 2018 #8
Not tRump's idea of FAIR TRADE or the world's either, for that matter. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2018 #24
Exactly. pangaia Jun 2018 #28
The only Republican willing to stand up to Trump on anything oberliner Jun 2018 #9
He just made a stand. Bravo, Sen. McCain. nt babylonsister Jun 2018 #11
John McCain proudly stated that he was voting for Don the Con malaise Jun 2018 #12
Yes he did Cary Jun 2018 #14
Rubbing his nose in it. juxtaposed Jun 2018 #13
Just jaw-dropping that one of our most senior Senators would have to say that bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #15
And please renounce the republican tax cuts. Owl Jun 2018 #17
The time for sternly worded statements is in the past. Bleacher Creature Jun 2018 #21
+1 leftstreet Jun 2018 #22
I think the British, Canadians and French NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #23
America to the World: SOS. zentrum Jun 2018 #25
McCain has been working to shore up international relations ever since Trump was elected... rooboy Jun 2018 #26
Wow. That was a hair raiser. Almost got me to re-cross my legs. pangaia Jun 2018 #30
Was this speech Scarsdale Jun 2018 #42
Every time I see a POW flag I wonder if and how they can still support this P.O.S. njhoneybadger Jun 2018 #27
Republican patriotism is as authentic as a three dollar bill. John Fante Jun 2018 #35
Seriously,God bless him and may he make a miraculous recovery. Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #29
Yup. pangaia Jun 2018 #31
too little too late again because no one cares about what he says anymore AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #36
wrong, McCain is Well Known outside of the US . and far more respected than Trump JI7 Jun 2018 #38
Neither one is as Scarsdale Jun 2018 #44
McCain's party stands squarely behind Trump DFW Jun 2018 #43
Although I never voted for McCain, I respect him. maddiemom Jun 2018 #45
Is the bar really this low? Shipwack Jun 2018 #46
What good does it do for a majority of Americans to support our allies when Trump is president. Nitram Jun 2018 #48
Best reply to McCain sharedvalues Jun 2018 #50
I am tired of has assed statements.. BlueJac Jun 2018 #51
I am tired of McCain... BlueJac Jun 2018 #52

lapfog_1

(29,243 posts)
1. I'm sure his energy level is not up to normal
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:10 PM
Jun 2018

so asking him to "take a stand" at this point might not be possible for him.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
7. But think about it...
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:20 PM
Jun 2018

If you WERE McCain, you would be McCain, and he( you) won't do it.


I might instead say--if McCain were you, he would do it..

I wish he were you...



Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. I wouldn't let an interloper drive me from the party I'd belonged to all my adult life.
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:11 PM
Jun 2018

The old-time Republicans don't consider Trump or his supporters real Republicans.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
40. Why are they
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:40 AM
Jun 2018

following his "lead" then? They go along with everything he does. McCain talks out of both sides of his mouth. Some "hero" Supposedly a maverick, yet kissed Dubya's ass, now tRumps. Where was he when his opinion counted? Even now, at this late stage of his life, he will not fully disavow the great leader. Republican to the bitter end.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
47. The old time Republicans aren't really in his corner.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 10:32 AM
Jun 2018

They don't defend him, like his supporters (Devin Nunes & those) do. But they do what party faithfuls do: they vote for tax cuts, they vote for their party bills, etc.

Like it or not, Trump is their leader. Just as if Dems had a leader they didn't want as President. They're not going to not vote on Dem bills because they don't like him. They're not going to side with Republicans (at least not many of them) to go against their own leader. Republicans are even more so party driven and party loyal. And the old-time Republicans are not in control. The alt-right is in control, and there are too many Trump supporters among the voters for the public to support dissing Trump. Just a handful have been brave enough to make public statements against him. Flake, McCain, and a couple of others.

McCain's a Republican. The old party faithful are Republicans, who believe in a different set of policies and ideology than the Democrats. That's what democracies are all about. That doesn't mean they are bad people, by definition.

As McCain said about Obama, "He's a fine man, a family man. We just disagree on policies."

lapfog_1

(29,243 posts)
4. yeah... but asking him to appear on TV or make a speech or something
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:14 PM
Jun 2018

may just tax the man a little too much. Tweets are probably it for now.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. +1. I think it's amazing he's even tweeting.
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:13 PM
Jun 2018

He's still keeping up with the news, what's going on, and responding to it publicly. That's amazing. I don't know if I'd be able to do that.

JohnnyRingo

(18,697 posts)
33. Maybe his daughter
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 01:48 AM
Jun 2018

I'm sure she can speak for her father and add some from herself as well. trump's mug is probably taped on the dart board in the den.

JohnnyRingo

(18,697 posts)
32. That might even have been from Meagan McCain
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 01:45 AM
Jun 2018

John McCain is probably pretty busy on staying alive right now, but if Meagan asked if she can use his account to kick Trump in the nuts, he'd likely give her a quick nod. She in particular owes Trump.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
37. Meghan loves trump
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 03:46 AM
Jun 2018

I heard her defending him on multiple occasions to my kwn disbelief after what he said about her father.

JohnnyRingo

(18,697 posts)
39. I don't think so anymore
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 04:47 AM
Jun 2018

It's true she's been pretty wishy washy on Trump, but I've heard her say more negative about him in the past weeks.

Meghan McCain fires back at Trump
The daughter of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., accused the president of using her father to distract from his own political problems
by Jonathan Allen / May.31.2018 / 12:30 PM ET

WASHINGTON — Meghan McCain fired back at President Donald Trump on Thursday, accusing him of attacking her father, cancer-stricken Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to distract from his own political problems.

"It's really good politics that they're doing right now," the younger McCain said ABC's "The View" on Thursday. "Because they are trying to change the narrative ... not talking about all the other bad things that are going on."

Her remarks come two days after Trump ripped into her father at a political rally in Nashville, Tennessee, and less than three weeks after White House aide Kelly Sadler dismissed the senator's significance because he's "dying anyway."

In Nashville, Trump roused his crowd by going after the elder McCain for his vote last year against a bill that would have overturned Obamacare.

"We had it done folks, it was done, and then early in the morning somebody turned their hand in the wrong direction," Trump said. "The person that voted that way only talked repeal and replace. He campaigned on it."

Though Trump didn't mention McCain by name, the audience wasn't confused about his target.

"There was boos," Meghan McCain said. "It was elicited by President Trump at the rally."

Bad blood has defined the relationship between Trump and John McCain, but the president had been silent on his political adversary since Sadler's remark was reported earlier this month.

Meghan McCain said Sadler reneged on a vow to apologize.

"I was promised an apology, Kelly Sadler publicly to my family. I did not receive that," Meghan McCain said. "This is not an administration that's capable of apologizing."


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/meghan-mccain-fires-back-trump-n878911




trixie2

(905 posts)
53. Her excuse is that she is "explaining" the Trump voter
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 07:47 PM
Jun 2018

She is still defending him and will defend him. She married Ben Domenech and it is clear that he writes her blue cards on The View. We are all disgusted by her.

She can't even have her own opinion and just Friday she was railing at Joy that the Dems don't have their own plan to satisfy middle America. Like she even knows where that is and has any idea of not paying a bill, or not eating, not having health care etc. She will regret staying silent like the rest of the GOP. What kills me is that neither side likes her. The GOP can't stand her.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
5. I'm glad someone made this statement
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:17 PM
Jun 2018

I don't think most Americans agree with Trump's love of dictators and disdain for our traditional allies.

It's time we started making that clear, to hopefully limit the damage the orange twit does while squatting in the White House.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
41. Me, too.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:47 AM
Jun 2018

He is doing what they have wanted for many, many years. Destroying the middle class. Taking away Social Security and Medicare. Any program that ordinary citizens depend on. Giving the rich even more tax cuts. They are like reverse Robin Hoods, take from the poor, give to the rich. The greedy rich. So, who cares about the destruction he is accomplishing? They probably are hoping for a Democratic president to come along and clean up this mess. It is the gop way, isn't it?

hlthe2b

(102,571 posts)
6. How horrific to lose his voice soon, just when we need it most. No, I've not forgotten
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:19 PM
Jun 2018

how many times he's said & done disgusting things, and supported horrendous policies, but we do need his voice on this now.

bucolic_frolic

(43,530 posts)
15. Just jaw-dropping that one of our most senior Senators would have to say that
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:53 PM
Jun 2018

McCain is standing for American values here. American values are not Trump values.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
23. I think the British, Canadians and French
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 10:54 PM
Jun 2018

have been our allies for a good 100+ years now. The Germans and Japanese, noticeably less, but still 70 years.

rooboy

(9,446 posts)
26. McCain has been working to shore up international relations ever since Trump was elected...
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:29 PM
Jun 2018

He came to Australia in 2017 to basically say that "we all know there's a fuckwit in the WH, help us get through this"...

This is from his speech in May 2017...



I realise that some of President Trump’s actions and statements have unsettled America’s friends. They have unsettled many Americans as well. There is a real debate underway now in my country about what kind of role America should play in the world. And frankly, I do not know how this debate will play out.

What I do believe, and I do not think I am exaggerating here, is that the future of the world will turn, to a large extent, on how this debate in America is resolved.

That is why I and others are fighting so hard to ensure that America stands by our allies and remains an active, principled leader in the world. And we cannot do it alone. We need your help, my friends. Now more than ever, we Americans are counting on Australia and our other allies to stick with us ... to encourage us to stay true to who we are at our best ... and to remind us always just how much is at stake

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
42. Was this speech
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:53 AM
Jun 2018

before or after he took all that money from the NRA and Russia?? I do not trust McCain, he is a little turncoat. Says one thing, does the opposite. I still remember him calling Dubya "dumb as a stump" then hugging him with that blissful look on his face. How about the birthday cake, too? Republican to the very core.

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
27. Every time I see a POW flag I wonder if and how they can still support this P.O.S.
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:33 PM
Jun 2018

Meghan McCain what the fuck is wrong with you?
I guess rethugs won't do the right thing until they're on death's doorstep.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
35. Republican patriotism is as authentic as a three dollar bill.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 02:34 AM
Jun 2018

You can't continuously and consciously fuck over Americans with scams like trickle-down economics and call yourself a lover of this country.

As for the deplorables, Trump could take a massive dump on the headstone of Audie Murphy, as long as he follows it up by saying racist shit about Mexicans, they'll line up to drink Trump's bathwater.

Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
29. Seriously,God bless him and may he make a miraculous recovery.
Sat Jun 9, 2018, 11:42 PM
Jun 2018

If that miracle does indeed happen McCain will return to the senate, talk tough on Trump and then backtrack as soon as he gets questioned by Fox News. Rinse and repeat.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
36. too little too late again because no one cares about what he says anymore
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 03:34 AM
Jun 2018

certainly not repubs, definately not democrats and no one outside the US even knows who he is. There was a time when he had power to do good and he remained silent and that is how he will always be remembered as a politician. As a person, he is a war hero and deserves respect.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
44. Neither one is as
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:56 AM
Jun 2018

respected as Barak Obama, or Bill Clinton. They are welcome anywhere in the world. tRump not so much. Dubya was not respected, but tRump beats him in the disrespect department. Both of them are low on the I.Q. totem pole. The gop does NOT welcome intelligent people into their fold. You have to be sneaky, greedy and not too bright to be accepted by the gop.

DFW

(54,519 posts)
43. McCain's party stands squarely behind Trump
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:53 AM
Jun 2018

As long as he still can, he could REALLY make a bold move and switch parties. Not only would it give his arch-enemy McTurtle a smack in the face, it would also make McTurtle instant minority leader.

All he has to do is use the line of Jim Jeffords: "I didn't leave the Republican Party. It left me."

One last grand act of true patriotism and heroism.

ahhhh, who am I kidding?

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
45. Although I never voted for McCain, I respect him.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 07:48 AM
Jun 2018

I would have voted for the late Soupy Sales or one of the Three Stooges over Trump. Where is he getting the unilateral power to screw so much up? His vaunted base are NOT the majority of voters, but the situation is becoming dire. Thankfully my area and state have some active Dems in office.

Shipwack

(2,185 posts)
46. Is the bar really this low?
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 09:54 AM
Jun 2018

I see many posts here lauding McCain’s “bravery” and shake my head. This is pretty much a textbook case of “slacktivism”; a tepid online statement of support with no follow-up actions.

Yes, he disagreed with Trump’s actions. This only stands out because the Republicans are the Stepford party.

But has he been speaking out against Trump consistently? No. Has he argued against or voted against Trump policies (with the exception of his ACA repeal vote)? No. Is he urging others in his party to oppose Trump? No. Is he going to leave the Republican Party? No.

McCain is not acting as a statesman, let alone an ally. He is just an old man trying to get into heaven, or at least secure a better spot in the history books.

Nitram

(22,974 posts)
48. What good does it do for a majority of Americans to support our allies when Trump is president.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 02:38 PM
Jun 2018

McCain voted for his tax bill.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
50. Best reply to McCain
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 03:55 PM
Jun 2018

Give us an example of how he could use his power to hold Trump accountable?


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Give us an example of how he could use his power to hold Trump accountable?

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
52. I am tired of McCain...
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jun 2018

it is too late to speak out now. Once you have made your bed you sleep in it!

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