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lostnfound

(16,203 posts)
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:12 PM Jun 2018

Ken Starr on Face the Nation - still a misogynistic immoral bastard

The last question the interviewer Margaret Brennan asked related to the fact that Monica Lewinski had written about running into him at a restaurant one day. Brennan asked whether Monica Lewinski deserved an apology from him.

He said “No. With all due respect to Monica, I wish her the best. But the evidence is the evidence and she was part of an effort to obstruct justice and commit perjury.”


I found this article about that encounter:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/26/monica-lewinsky-finally-met-ken-starr-and-things-got-weird-she-says/?utm_term=.f7cd521a8418

In a pointed essay about what she learned from the #MeToo movement, Lewinsky writes about the moment she bumped into Starr — the “man in the hat,” as she calls the former U.S. solicitor general and federal judge — over the holidays at a restaurant in New York.

“I turned and introduced him to my family,” she writes. “Bizarre as it may sound, I felt determined, then and there, to remind him that, 20 years before, he and his team of prosecutors hadn’t hounded and terrorized just me but also my family — threatening to prosecute my mom (if she didn’t disclose the private confidences I had shared with her), hinting that they would investigate my dad’s medical practice, and even deposing my aunt, with whom I was eating dinner that night. And all because the Man in the Hat, standing in front of me, had decided that a frightened young woman could be useful in his larger case against the president of the United States.”


If Bill Clinton “used”her —and I personally believe that consensual relationships can ONLY be judged by the people who are actually IN them — it was WITH consent. A 20-something woman is old enough to (and entitled to) GIVE consent. Ken Starr USED her WITHOUT her consent. There is nothing moral or defensible about threatening her mother and her family,or turning the affair into a giant public sacrifice for political gain. After all these years, Ken Starr has NO regrets or recriminations? He clearly has decided to be the least interesting, least reflective, least moral character he could possibly be. Humans utterly devoid of empathy seem to be an epidemic in republican America.
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Ken Starr on Face the Nation - still a misogynistic immoral bastard (Original Post) lostnfound Jun 2018 OP
Why the hell is this irrelevant sob even on Face The Nation? Dammitt! dameatball Jun 2018 #1
YEP Cosmocat Jun 2018 #2
And yet the POS BigMin28 Jun 2018 #3
Exactly my thoughts Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #5
Did they even ask him about that ? JI7 Jun 2018 #11
So glad you brought that up. thucythucy Jun 2018 #29
Another contrabution in kind Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #4
Every single thing she mentioned could have been stopped loyalsister Jun 2018 #6
Or her. Pathwalker Jun 2018 #7
Unless one subscribes to the idea that boys will be boys loyalsister Jun 2018 #8
She came onto him. She went there with the purpose of having sex with him JI7 Jun 2018 #10
This is only a valid defense if loyalsister Jun 2018 #12
So what ? The point is she wanted to have sex with him. I blame him also JI7 Jun 2018 #13
So, is it also okay when attorneys for rapists demonized women loyalsister Jun 2018 #16
Clinton didn't rape Monica. tammywammy Jun 2018 #25
I said she was treated the way rapist defense attorneys treat rape victims loyalsister Jun 2018 #26
She was twenty FOUR at the time and he was her second Pathwalker Jun 2018 #14
So, defense of a powerful man exploiting his power is perfectly valid if you like the man loyalsister Jun 2018 #17
I'm not defending him, what he did was indefensible. Pathwalker Jun 2018 #19
Republiicans who stand by their men receive well deserved ridicule loyalsister Jun 2018 #20
There was no need for them to put this nation through Pathwalker Jun 2018 #22
Don't people believe a 24 year old woman has a right to make her own decisions? lostnfound Jun 2018 #18
One of many copies outs used to defend men who exploited women loyalsister Jun 2018 #21
Cosby was accused of rape. Clinton and monica was consensual JI7 Jun 2018 #23
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #24
bs, consent is an important factor in all of this JI7 Jun 2018 #28
Bill Gates was wrong to have a relationship with Melinda, too? Nt lostnfound Jun 2018 #30
I knew what *I* wanted when I was a 24 year old woman and it wasn't society approved, either. lostnfound Jun 2018 #31
I agree, bill Clinton was very wrong for many reasons. But victimizing her was not JI7 Jun 2018 #9
Starr Reminds Us Women are Disposable to Republicans, Only a Means to an End dlk Jun 2018 #15
Another opportunity missed to get Ken Starr to explain (an apologize) NCjack Jun 2018 #27
How can you have him on a show and not talk about his covering up rape at Baylor Johonny Jun 2018 #32
I Think I Know How They'd Answer ProfessorGAC Jun 2018 #33

dameatball

(7,411 posts)
1. Why the hell is this irrelevant sob even on Face The Nation? Dammitt!
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:14 PM
Jun 2018

There is a lot of really evil stuff going on and they still want to talk about Bill and Monica.

Cosmocat

(14,595 posts)
2. YEP
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:18 PM
Jun 2018

The last 48 hours has seen the most radical shift in US international relations since WWI, and they have people talking about the sexual picadillis of a POTUS a quarter century ago.

BigMin28

(1,186 posts)
3. And yet the POS
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 12:25 PM
Jun 2018

helped football coach Art Briles cover for numerous rapists while being President and Chancellor of Baylor University.

thucythucy

(8,139 posts)
29. So glad you brought that up.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 11:34 PM
Jun 2018

His tenure at Baylor was a disaster, and his inaction put its students at risk.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
8. Unless one subscribes to the idea that boys will be boys
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:33 PM
Jun 2018

they should see that he had far more power than she had. He was the most powerful and supposedly wisest person in the room who then watched as she was brutally victimized in an investigation, while loyalists cheered the standard rapist defense tactics that were carried on on his behalf.

JI7

(89,289 posts)
10. She came onto him. She went there with the purpose of having sex with him
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:38 PM
Jun 2018

He didn't use his power to try to get anything.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
12. This is only a valid defense if
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:45 PM
Jun 2018

one believes "boys will be boys" and that the POTUS lost all agency in her presence. He was the leader of the Free world, and a much older adult man in the West wing and out of it. But poor pitiful Clinton was at the mercy of a 22 yr. old intern according to him and people who will continue to embrace a system that coddles men who exploite their power for their own sexual gratification.

JI7

(89,289 posts)
13. So what ? The point is she wanted to have sex with him. I blame him also
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jun 2018

For what he did and he was wrong in many ways with biggest being he was married. So, no. There is no boys will be boys defense for him.

But not for victimizing her since it was consensual.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
16. So, is it also okay when attorneys for rapists demonized women
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 06:01 PM
Jun 2018

or is it only okay is Democrats and Clinton loyalists do it?

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
25. Clinton didn't rape Monica.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 10:03 PM
Jun 2018

Your implication that he did is disgusting. It was consensual and there's no indication it was anything less.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
26. I said she was treated the way rapist defense attorneys treat rape victims
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 10:20 PM
Jun 2018

Discredit using past history, then demonize and blame the woman on behalf of the man who exploited her. If he really lucky he will have people who are ready to destroy he in the interest of protecting him. It's the system me too is tryiing to disrupt. There are men who get it and are proving to be allies or willing to admit their wrongdoing. Some still want protection.

Pathwalker

(6,600 posts)
14. She was twenty FOUR at the time and he was her second
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 05:52 PM
Jun 2018

married older man, she was a trophy wife wannabe, not some innocent girl who had no clue what she was doing. Women like her aren't exactly an endangered species, as many wives of successful men know all too well.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
17. So, defense of a powerful man exploiting his power is perfectly valid if you like the man
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jun 2018

This is a systemic problem and people who pretend to care about women's rights and equality are happy participants in treating a woman the way the most vile defense attorneys treat victims under some conditions.

Pathwalker

(6,600 posts)
19. I'm not defending him, what he did was indefensible.
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jun 2018

But believing in gender equality requires one to treat both equally.
they both could have saved this nation a heap of pain by just being responsible instead of acting the way they did. But Ken Starr and the Republican hypocrites deserve the most blame, since they were all doing pretty much the same thing.

Pathwalker

(6,600 posts)
22. There was no need for them to put this nation through
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 07:02 PM
Jun 2018

that spectacle, especially since they were all hypocrites of the highest order. We didn't need to know.

lostnfound

(16,203 posts)
18. Don't people believe a 24 year old woman has a right to make her own decisions?
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jun 2018

I do.
I also prefer the less puritanical views of Europeans, or of America in the 60s.
And freedom.
Not busybodies who think they have a right to dig into other people’s sex lives.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
21. One of many copies outs used to defend men who exploited women
Sun Jun 10, 2018, 07:01 PM
Jun 2018

Demonized women, point to puritanism, it's a family matter, are all tactics and rhetoric employed by those defenders of a misogynistic system. It's amazing to see how people who are allegedly allies to women are so forgiving when it is Clinton.I had the same conversation with a Cosby defender recently.

Response to JI7 (Reply #23)

lostnfound

(16,203 posts)
31. I knew what *I* wanted when I was a 24 year old woman and it wasn't society approved, either.
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 08:45 AM
Jun 2018

Maybe they should just raise the age of consent to 25 for women? Or require a father’s blessing?



F*** people who want to cage everyone into little cages. Relationships (consensual) are like bright red roses pushing up through broken sidewalks.

Johonny

(20,974 posts)
32. How can you have him on a show and not talk about his covering up rape at Baylor
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 10:03 AM
Jun 2018

The dude covered up rape! F' that guy.

ProfessorGAC

(65,456 posts)
33. I Think I Know How They'd Answer
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jun 2018

I think they'd say they couldn't ask him about covering rape accusations because there was no has-been who covered up rape on the liberal side. So, since they couldn't be "fair and balanced" they just left that out.

And, on top of that, if they did ignore the first reason, they would have to lose the "both sides" narrative.

Lazy journalism.

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