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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKen Starr on Face the Nation - still a misogynistic immoral bastard
The last question the interviewer Margaret Brennan asked related to the fact that Monica Lewinski had written about running into him at a restaurant one day. Brennan asked whether Monica Lewinski deserved an apology from him.
He said No. With all due respect to Monica, I wish her the best. But the evidence is the evidence and she was part of an effort to obstruct justice and commit perjury.
I found this article about that encounter:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/26/monica-lewinsky-finally-met-ken-starr-and-things-got-weird-she-says/?utm_term=.f7cd521a8418
I turned and introduced him to my family, she writes. Bizarre as it may sound, I felt determined, then and there, to remind him that, 20 years before, he and his team of prosecutors hadnt hounded and terrorized just me but also my family threatening to prosecute my mom (if she didnt disclose the private confidences I had shared with her), hinting that they would investigate my dads medical practice, and even deposing my aunt, with whom I was eating dinner that night. And all because the Man in the Hat, standing in front of me, had decided that a frightened young woman could be useful in his larger case against the president of the United States.
If Bill Clinton usedher and I personally believe that consensual relationships can ONLY be judged by the people who are actually IN them it was WITH consent. A 20-something woman is old enough to (and entitled to) GIVE consent. Ken Starr USED her WITHOUT her consent. There is nothing moral or defensible about threatening her mother and her family,or turning the affair into a giant public sacrifice for political gain. After all these years, Ken Starr has NO regrets or recriminations? He clearly has decided to be the least interesting, least reflective, least moral character he could possibly be. Humans utterly devoid of empathy seem to be an epidemic in republican America.
dameatball
(7,411 posts)There is a lot of really evil stuff going on and they still want to talk about Bill and Monica.
The last 48 hours has seen the most radical shift in US international relations since WWI, and they have people talking about the sexual picadillis of a POTUS a quarter century ago.
BigMin28
(1,186 posts)helped football coach Art Briles cover for numerous rapists while being President and Chancellor of Baylor University.
Bradshaw3
(7,554 posts)And he gets a pass on it in interviews, despite the huge hypocrisy.
JI7
(89,289 posts)thucythucy
(8,139 posts)His tenure at Baylor was a disaster, and his inaction put its students at risk.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)for the GOP mid terms by Comcast Media.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)or prevented- by the POTUS.
Pathwalker
(6,600 posts)She did not have to do anything she did.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)they should see that he had far more power than she had. He was the most powerful and supposedly wisest person in the room who then watched as she was brutally victimized in an investigation, while loyalists cheered the standard rapist defense tactics that were carried on on his behalf.
JI7
(89,289 posts)He didn't use his power to try to get anything.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)one believes "boys will be boys" and that the POTUS lost all agency in her presence. He was the leader of the Free world, and a much older adult man in the West wing and out of it. But poor pitiful Clinton was at the mercy of a 22 yr. old intern according to him and people who will continue to embrace a system that coddles men who exploite their power for their own sexual gratification.
JI7
(89,289 posts)For what he did and he was wrong in many ways with biggest being he was married. So, no. There is no boys will be boys defense for him.
But not for victimizing her since it was consensual.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)or is it only okay is Democrats and Clinton loyalists do it?
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Your implication that he did is disgusting. It was consensual and there's no indication it was anything less.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Discredit using past history, then demonize and blame the woman on behalf of the man who exploited her. If he really lucky he will have people who are ready to destroy he in the interest of protecting him. It's the system me too is tryiing to disrupt. There are men who get it and are proving to be allies or willing to admit their wrongdoing. Some still want protection.
Pathwalker
(6,600 posts)married older man, she was a trophy wife wannabe, not some innocent girl who had no clue what she was doing. Women like her aren't exactly an endangered species, as many wives of successful men know all too well.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)This is a systemic problem and people who pretend to care about women's rights and equality are happy participants in treating a woman the way the most vile defense attorneys treat victims under some conditions.
Pathwalker
(6,600 posts)But believing in gender equality requires one to treat both equally.
they both could have saved this nation a heap of pain by just being responsible instead of acting the way they did. But Ken Starr and the Republican hypocrites deserve the most blame, since they were all doing pretty much the same thing.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Yet
Pathwalker
(6,600 posts)that spectacle, especially since they were all hypocrites of the highest order. We didn't need to know.
lostnfound
(16,203 posts)I do.
I also prefer the less puritanical views of Europeans, or of America in the 60s.
And freedom.
Not busybodies who think they have a right to dig into other peoples sex lives.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Demonized women, point to puritanism, it's a family matter, are all tactics and rhetoric employed by those defenders of a misogynistic system. It's amazing to see how people who are allegedly allies to women are so forgiving when it is Clinton.I had the same conversation with a Cosby defender recently.
JI7
(89,289 posts)Response to JI7 (Reply #23)
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JI7
(89,289 posts)lostnfound
(16,203 posts)lostnfound
(16,203 posts)Maybe they should just raise the age of consent to 25 for women? Or require a fathers blessing?
F*** people who want to cage everyone into little cages. Relationships (consensual) are like bright red roses pushing up through broken sidewalks.
JI7
(89,289 posts)one of them.
dlk
(11,606 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)for his failures at Baylor U.
[link:https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bennett-l-gershman/kenneth-starr-and-the-bay_b_10262894.html|]
Johonny
(20,974 posts)The dude covered up rape! F' that guy.
ProfessorGAC
(65,456 posts)I think they'd say they couldn't ask him about covering rape accusations because there was no has-been who covered up rape on the liberal side. So, since they couldn't be "fair and balanced" they just left that out.
And, on top of that, if they did ignore the first reason, they would have to lose the "both sides" narrative.
Lazy journalism.