of anti-Catholicism.

The numbers overall are close because hispanic catholics went for Hillary in large numbers.

But White Catholics specifically went for trump.

the bigotry that oppressed them as Catholics and have directed it at another group.

But that doesn't keep the white protestants and white catholics from hating them.

And black protestants aren't oppresors of white Catholics.

Greek Catholics, and Hispanic Catholics that has existed here from the beginning.

Just like they hate black people who are mostly protestants.

From The Root:

When the Irish Weren't White

https://www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754

These are not quotes from a Trump rally or an “alt-right” message board. These are historical statements from yesteryear describing a despised race of people in America. They are indicative of the sentiment of white people throughout this country who thought a subhuman species good for nothing but work and servitude might ruin America with their crime, poverty and interbreeding with white women. They were not referring to Africans, Mexicans or Muslims.

They were talking about the Irish.

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But as we celebrate the first St. Patrick’s Day of the Trumpian era, we should remember when America passed laws against another group of immigrants. We should recall when this country tried to ban another group of people based on their religion. We should never forget that both “American” and whiteness are sociopolitical constructs that have evolved over a long period of time, always seeking exclusion and supremacy, and it was not so long ago that Irish Americans were on the outside looking in.

In his book The Renegade History of the United States, Thaddeus Russell explains that the first large wave of Irish immigrants worked low-paying jobs—mostly building the canals along the Canadian border—that other Americans wouldn’t do. Like finding out a song you thought was new is actually a 100-year-old remake, the Irish were simultaneously accused of stealing all the good jobs and branded as “lazy” and “shiftless.” They were also thought to be the nonwhite “missing link” between the superior European and the savage African based on stereotypes from the early American media, according to the Boston Globe:

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Same people are against black people who are largely protestant.

And as i said most white catholics went for trump.

are all Catholics.

yeah, right.

Discrminated against.

And large majority of white catholics voted for trump.

You have not cited any poll to support the assertion.

That article says nothing about Trump or the percentage of white Catholics who voted for him.

learned to identify with the oppressor.

And even so, only one Catholic has ever been elected President in American history -- despite the fact that Catholicism is the biggest single Christian denomination.

To put it in another perspective, there has been one Catholic President and one African American President.

22% of the US population were officially Catholic in 2017, though a greater number consider themselves Catholic while not being on Church rolls.

About 13% of Americans are African American.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/02/22/5-facts-about-blacks-in-the-u-s/

More than 40 million blacks live in the United States, making up around 13% of the nation’s population, according to 2016 Census Bureau estimates.

Than hispanic catholics.

John kerry is catholic and most white catholics voted against him.

Bigotry against Hispanics has absolutely nothing to do with them being Catholic.

Nothing at all.

Otherwise, we'd see a flood of anti-Irish, anti-Italian anti-Spanish immigrants - all of whom come from countries with higher Catholic populations than most Central American countries. The difference, of course, is that the immigrants from those countries are white.

Why would bigotry against Catholics cause us to "see a flood of anti-Irish, anti-Italian, anti-Spanish immigrants"?

The point I was making that Catholic immigrants from Central and Latin America are the latest group of Catholics, over a span of hundreds of years, to be subjected to anti-immigrant bigotry.

Also, I am not excusing white Catholics who voted for DT or don't support refugees from the South. I think they should be especially sensitive to the plight of the refugees, because previous waves of Catholic immigrants have suffered similar bigotry.

From The Root:

When the Irish Weren't White

https://www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754



These are not quotes from a Trump rally or an “alt-right” message board. These are historical statements from yesteryear describing a despised race of people in America. They are indicative of the sentiment of white people throughout this country who thought a subhuman species good for nothing but work and servitude might ruin America with their crime, poverty and interbreeding with white women. They were not referring to Africans, Mexicans or Muslims.

They were talking about the Irish.

SNIP

But as we celebrate the first St. Patrick’s Day of the Trumpian era, we should remember when America passed laws against another group of immigrants. We should recall when this country tried to ban another group of people based on their religion. We should never forget that both “American” and whiteness are sociopolitical constructs that have evolved over a long period of time, always seeking exclusion and supremacy, and it was not so long ago that Irish Americans were on the outside looking in.

In his book The Renegade History of the United States, Thaddeus Russell explains that the first large wave of Irish immigrants worked low-paying jobs—mostly building the canals along the Canadian border—that other Americans wouldn’t do. Like finding out a song you thought was new is actually a 100-year-old remake, the Irish were simultaneously accused of stealing all the good jobs and branded as “lazy” and “shiftless.” They were also thought to be the nonwhite “missing link” between the superior European and the savage African based on stereotypes from the early American media, according to the Boston Globe:

SNIP



From the UK's The Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/12/america-history-of-hating-catholics

America's dark and not-very-distant history of hating Catholics

Pope Francis is expected to be greeted with huge crowds and across-the-board reverence when he tours Washington, New York and Philadelphia during his first visit as pontiff to the United States.

The rapture, however, will not change the awkward – and largely forgotten fact – that for centuries the US discriminated against Catholics.

The land of immigrants enshrined freedom of religion in the constitution yet spent much of its history despising, harassing and marginalising Catholics.

From the first Puritan settlers to televangelists, leading political, business and religious figures lambasted followers of Rome as theological abominations and traitorous fifth columnists.

There was anti-Irish and anti- Italian feeling at the time they were the largest groups of immigrants. Never underestimate the white ability to be prejudiced. If the US were to be all white, then surely some sub-group would become the “others”.

Mexicans and Central American Hispanics have been coming here for decades but are still ostracized.

And not because they're Catholic. If this were about their religion, EVERYONE of the same religion would be treated the same way, regardless whether they were white or not, regardless where they came from, regardless how long people from their countries had been coming here.

I'm not sure why people are trying to cover up and dismiss the clear racism involved in the treatment of Hispanics, but the excuses don't fly. This has nothing to do with their religion. Period.

Their being Catholic was the e cause at the time. Now they are assimilated, it doesn’t seem to be a big deal.

Xenophobes always claim the latest group is not able to assimilate. Look at 19th century anti-immigrant arguments and they are amazingly the same as they are now.

That they are also another race might factor in to make it take longer though. Xenophobes already don’t deal well with differences.

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Do you have a cite for that?

I bet their motive is likely to be abortion. Catholics can be quite fanatical about that even if they are otherwise liberal.

Joe Kennedy, and other Catholic politicians. Whatever their personal beliefs, they believe their political policies should be separate.

Biden and Kerry are being reasonable and I’m sure some Catholics are. But I know the fanatically unreasonable ones

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For example:

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2018/01/24/catholics-are-just-likely-get-abortion-other-us-women-why

Catholics are just as likely to get an abortion as other U.S. women.

According to the latest numbers from the Guttmacher Institute, 24 percent of women who procure abortions identify as Catholic, almost the same as 22 percent of all U.S. women who called themselves Catholic in a 2014 survey by Pew Research Center. In the same sources, evangelical Protestants made up 27 percent of all women in the United States but only 13 percent of those who underwent abortions, revealing a greater reluctance toward choosing abortion, a greater reluctance toward revealing their religion on a survey or both.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2014/02/11/catholic_poll_on_abortion_gay_marriage_and_birth_control_europe_and_the.html

To navigate these difficulties, Pope Francis recently instructed bishops to survey their flocks about various social issues. The issues included birth control, premarital sex, divorce, and gay marriage. The purpose of the survey was to reconsider not the church’s teachings but how it communicated those teachings to the faithful.

Catholics in Europe and the U.S. knew what the results would be. Findings released last week in Germany and Switzerland showed a wide gap between the church and its followers. An independent survey released this weekend by Univision confirms a similar gap in the U.S. On every issue, American Catholics are more liberal than the church’s teachings.

The Univision poll found that 54 percent of U.S. Catholics supported same-sex marriage. Fifty-nine percent supported admitting women to the priesthood. Sixty percent thought Catholics who had divorced and remarried outside the church should be eligible to receive communion. Sixty-one percent thought priests should be allowed to marry. Seventy-six percent thought abortion should be permitted at least in some circumstances. Seventy-nine percent supported contraception.





https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2016/09/28/poll-finds-many-us-catholics-breaking-church-over-contraception-abortion-and-lgbt

Most American Catholics, including those who go to church on a regular basis, have no moral problem with contraception, the survey found.

Just 8 percent said contraception is morally wrong, with 89 percent saying it was either morally acceptable or not a moral issue at all.

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On the issue of abortion, about half of all U.S. Catholics say it is morally wrong, though that number shoots up to 83 percent among Catholics who attend services regularly.

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About two-thirds of all U.S. Catholics (64 percent) say that homosexual behavior is either morally acceptable or not a moral issue at all, while 32 percent say it’s morally wrong.

Gives me Hope =)

I say this as a Catholic. I ALSO say, that they represent about the worst kind of Catholicism that could possibly exist in America at the present moment...powerful minds, but they do not necessarily use that power for good...

But that's an interesting perspective, and one I hadn't considered. At the beginning, there was a fear of the Papacy and I can see why it was there. Now, it's just generational bigotry same as any other for sure.

should be especially sensitive to the plight of those in the current wave, from Central and South America. Too many of us aren't.

But Pope Francis clearly is.

Insomuch as my rational mind says it isn't useful, I very much pray for the day when Priests can be Married and be Women can be priests. (I think it would go a long way to attracting converts lol).
I also appreciate that this Pope isn't quite as stupid as some of his predecessors; this motherfucker survived the Dirty Wars, and isn't gonna let the Cardinals intimidate him. He wants to sneak of out of the Vatican to go feed homeless people, and wash the feet of the Locals, good for him that's what he SHOULD be doing.

like this one. I wish he was a younger man. With only one lung, I'm afraid he's living on borrowed time.

But...maybe he'll live to a hundred cause gawd doesn't like to fuck around lol...who knows.
I suspect that either way, he's made his peace with that=).

"In the fall campaign against Richard Nixon, Kennedy traveled to Houston to reassure Protestant ministers that he wouldn’t take orders from Rome or let his faith affect his decisions in the Oval Office."

Now, Protestant ministers not only want, but demand that THEIR faith affect decisions made in the oval office.

They aren’t for separation of church and state for themselves

Are probably a lot of Catholics in offices. And these days it would not be a big issue for very many people.

It would be of interest to learn of how integrated American Catholic Churches are. Are the Hispanic immigrants who are Catholic segregated into different churches ? And is that due to wanting to do masses in Spanish or because white Catholics are bigoted or some combination of factors ?

should be more sensitive to the plight of the current wave of Catholic immigrants, because of what our own ancestors went through.

In my experience hispanic immigrants aren't segregated into separate parishes, and I've think I've read that this is least common in Catholic churches (as opposed to other Christian denominations). However, we do have Spanish masses, and I assume most of the people who choose to attend speak Spanish. But anyone speaking any language is welcome to any of the services.

As for the number of Catholics in lower offices, I don't know. But as anyone who supported HRC or Obama for President knows, it also matters who is elected President.

And you would might surprised by the number of people who still are anti-Catholic. Even in my part of the country, where Church affiliation is low, and many people assume nothing about anyone's religion -- I have run into "Christians" who don't consider Catholics to also be Christians. They think we all worship the Pope, or icons, or something.. . .

area with a lot of Polish, Italian and Irish Catholics. People who were not Catholic did not seem to be hostile in any way as of the 60s. It was a big deal at one time, my grandfather who was Catholic married my grandmother who was not, and in the 20s that bothered both sides, but they dealt with it.

taming in the capture of sections of the continent. That fact weighs heavily on their racist hearts and policies.