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kpete

(72,060 posts)
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:38 AM Jun 2018

Michael Cohen's attorneys have left his case. Cohen is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors

Last edited Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)

Michael Cohen's attorneys have reportedly left his case. Cohen is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors, sources tell ABC News.


As attorneys for Michael Cohen rush to meet Judge Kimba Wood’s Friday deadline to complete a privilege review of over 3.7 million documents seized in the April 9 raids of Cohen’s New York properties and law office, a source representing this matter has disclosed to ABC News that the law firm handling the case for Cohen is not expected to represent him going forward.

To date, Cohen has been represented by Stephen Ryan and Todd Harrison of the Washington and New York firm, McDermott, Will & Emery LLP.

No replacement counsel has been identified as of this time.

Cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York, sources said. This development, which is believed to be imminent, will likely hit the White House, family members, staffers and counsels hard.

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-cooperate-attorneys-leave-case/story?id=55861988










**Interesting update***


Person close to Cohen says he hasn’t flipped yet, “he’s sending up a smoke signal to Trump: I need help.”





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Michael Cohen's attorneys have left his case. Cohen is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors (Original Post) kpete Jun 2018 OP
Flip! SHRED Jun 2018 #1
Uh-oh! Someone wake up Rudy and wheel him out. dameatball Jun 2018 #3
Rudy is too busy sorting his own shit out because his 3rd wife is about to clean him out. sunonmars Jun 2018 #7
Okay, I guess it's time for "Mooch, 2.0" dameatball Jun 2018 #12
Maybe his 1st and 2nd wives can help her get the job done. LiberalFighter Jun 2018 #23
I love how his whole face tells you what a sad sack he is. calimary Jun 2018 #53
He just can't pay them. zentrum Jun 2018 #83
"They call him..." lastlib Jun 2018 #88
Wow bornfree17 Jun 2018 #89
Yup he's flipped, expect some raging bullshit tweets incoming. sunonmars Jun 2018 #2
No, he Hasn't noncliqer Jun 2018 #86
Well... noncliqer Jun 2018 #87
PLEASE cilla4progress Jun 2018 #4
Thats the lawyer equivalent of saying, you're fucked Michael. sunonmars Jun 2018 #5
It's a sign of one of two things: Adrahil Jun 2018 #32
I suspect... forgotmylogin Jun 2018 #51
Dunno.... In their arguments.... Adrahil Jun 2018 #52
Trump can ride it to the end and just pardon him Baconator Jun 2018 #70
Yeah, if he's going top do a pardon, that's how it will play out. Adrahil Jun 2018 #74
Trump can't pardon him on state charges. displacedtexan Jun 2018 #77
But aren't they all federal? Lulu KC Jun 2018 #79
He isn't being investigated by the State, so far as I know... Adrahil Jun 2018 #80
He will be. displacedtexan Jun 2018 #82
tRump has been paying Cohen's legal fees out of his re-election campaign funds. Zoonart Jun 2018 #76
Why, it's almost as if he didn't expecft a pardon in his future... brooklynite Jun 2018 #6
Trump may still throw him a pardon as a last desperate attempt OliverQ Jun 2018 #25
Eat it Mikey jpak Jun 2018 #8
Ruh-roh DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #9
Great, now turn over all safeinOhio Jun 2018 #10
Off to the greatest page malaise Jun 2018 #11
Woooooooohooooooooo!!!!!!!! manor321 Jun 2018 #13
This is beyond HUGE. Damn it makes my day! I hope this thug is filling his pants right now! PearliePoo2 Jun 2018 #14
Kim who? Backwoodsrider Jun 2018 #15
The walls are closing in.... Takket Jun 2018 #16
Good Leith Jun 2018 #17
Doesn't Cohen or anyone asking for a pardon first have to be charged and entered a guilty plea Thekaspervote Jun 2018 #57
Nope Wednesdays Jun 2018 #78
We've been saying this all along on DU FakeNoose Jun 2018 #18
Avenatti: kpete Jun 2018 #20
Flip on who? Bleacher Creature Jun 2018 #19
Says who? awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #21
+1, Red Don doesn't give a damn about his public image outside his sycophants and will pardon ... uponit7771 Jun 2018 #62
I thought he was just blue-wave Jun 2018 #22
Does Mueller really need Cohen? LiberalFighter Jun 2018 #24
Mueller had already handed him off to the SDNY. BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #26
"(...lob a hit from an entirely different angle (money laundering from other countries, etc)" yonder Jun 2018 #39
If they're getting paid they shouldn't care donkeypoofed Jun 2018 #27
Even if they aren't getting paid, they aren't out until the judge lets them out jberryhill Jun 2018 #38
Do they have public defenders for federal cases? KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #84
Yeah, but you have to be broke first jberryhill Jun 2018 #85
Like Pancakes on a Skillet djacq Jun 2018 #28
As one of the GOP finance big shots, doesn't he have enough GOP money to hire more lawyers? keithbvadu2 Jun 2018 #29
He's in so deep that any good lawyers probably don't want to be anywhere near him. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #31
Rudy? keithbvadu2 Jun 2018 #34
That's not how lawyers work jberryhill Jun 2018 #45
True but where's Cohen supposed to get the money to pay for the best? Thx in advance uponit7771 Jun 2018 #63
That's his problem jberryhill Jun 2018 #66
Got it, sounds like another wait and see uponit7771 Jun 2018 #67
Creating chaos on the defense end is sometimes a strategy jberryhill Jun 2018 #68
Ah, sounds like a hail marry but gives Cohen some time. I'm sure Red Don wont allow Cohen to ... uponit7771 Jun 2018 #69
Exactly. They took one look at the piles of incriminating LuckyLib Jun 2018 #55
If this happens, it's a BFD. NT Adrahil Jun 2018 #30
His attorneys aren't out unless the court lets them out jberryhill Jun 2018 #33
If Cohen wants to flip he isn't going to need to spend hundreds of thousands grantcart Jun 2018 #41
There is no motion on the PACER docket as of this moment jberryhill Jun 2018 #44
I think most people understand that in a serious case the judge is grantcart Jun 2018 #46
Thank you for this! tavernier Jun 2018 #48
WOHOO!!! Dem_4_Life Jun 2018 #35
Sing, sing a song louslobbs Jun 2018 #36
just a guess but I bet the attorneys saw those tapes Backwoodsrider Jun 2018 #37
Cohen's new theme song Yavin4 Jun 2018 #40
Or Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #42
Cohen might as well be walking around with a gunsight KCDebbie Jun 2018 #43
Hope he has lots of security. Lots of people don't want him talking. Fla Dem Jun 2018 #47
Maybe he should represent himself...n/t bluecollar2 Jun 2018 #49
huhm...he looks greyer, it seems. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2018 #50
You're spot on... Corktown Jun 2018 #56
Yes, he looks broken.... BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2018 #60
Jump, you bastard, jump! nt Hekate Jun 2018 #54
LOCK HIM UP!!! axm Jun 2018 #58
Is he going into the witness protection program ? duforsure Jun 2018 #59
His next job jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #73
Cohen is running out of money to pay legal fees Gothmog Jun 2018 #61
Who has been paying them, one wonders.... shanny Jun 2018 #64
Tee hee! Cohen's lawyers see the writing on the wall. DinahMoeHum Jun 2018 #65
RE: likely hit the White House, family members, staffers and counsels hard." BadGimp Jun 2018 #71
To paraphrase Michael Cohen ... jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #72
Ricky-Ticky-Ticky - The Perp Walks on Its Way!' MineralMan Jun 2018 #75
I hope Trump pardons him. cstanleytech Jun 2018 #81

calimary

(81,611 posts)
53. I love how his whole face tells you what a sad sack he is.
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:41 PM
Jun 2018

Everything tilts or curves downward at the edges - the eyes, the eyebrows, and the mouth.

If I were ANY of these attorneys, I wouldn't have wanted to get involved with this bunch for any load of publicity or presumed payment (watch 'em get stiffed, which is trump's style of "doing business&quot . The mark of trump is a professional buzzkill, I suspect. I think it was repentant Republican Rick Wilson who first stated that everything trump touches dies.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
83. He just can't pay them.
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 08:50 PM
Jun 2018

They'd probably have stayed on otherwise. They have other corrupt clients like him, believe me.

He needs all his cash for criminal defense now anyway.

 

noncliqer

(50 posts)
86. No, he Hasn't
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:36 PM
Jun 2018

Not yet, anyway. After a throaty YEE-HAH! earlier in the day, I've settled into a mood of cautious optimism.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
32. It's a sign of one of two things:
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:41 AM
Jun 2018

1) He is unable to pay their bills.

and/or

2) He will not take their advice.


I suspect it's both. His lawyers have expressed concerns about costs, which a lawyer would do if they were afraid the client couldn't pay.

And I suspect they are advising cooperation and he may be resisting.

But he is absolutely fucked.

forgotmylogin

(7,540 posts)
51. I suspect...
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:30 PM
Jun 2018

that lawyers in a high profile case like this would work pro bono if they could reasonably expect to win.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
52. Dunno.... In their arguments....
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jun 2018

about the privilege review deadline, they specifically said that costs are astronomical.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
74. Yeah, if he's going top do a pardon, that's how it will play out.
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 02:13 PM
Jun 2018

No doubt timed to get buried by something else.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
80. He isn't being investigated by the State, so far as I know...
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 05:08 PM
Jun 2018

... at least not that I've seen.

All Federal so far.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
25. Trump may still throw him a pardon as a last desperate attempt
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:24 AM
Jun 2018

to stop him cooperating. But then Cohen will just be subpoenaed to spill the dirt.

malaise

(269,352 posts)
11. Off to the greatest page
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:45 AM
Jun 2018

Never diss a man in front of his own family. When decision day comes he'll remember.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
14. This is beyond HUGE. Damn it makes my day! I hope this thug is filling his pants right now!
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:49 AM
Jun 2018

And BLOTUS gets immediate chest pains!

Snip from the article:

"No replacement counsel has been identified as of this time.

Cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York, sources said. This development, which is believed to be imminent, will likely hit the White House, family members, staffers and counsels hard."




Backwoodsrider

(764 posts)
15. Kim who?
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:49 AM
Jun 2018

NK in rear view mirror. The balls rolling now.... the intensity of Trump investigations will only increase until its over.

PS they are fighting over control of some 'possible' phone conversations Cohen allegedly recorded. Wasn't there another president in our past who behaved illegally and the tapes proved it so he quit? <sarcasm off>

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
18. We've been saying this all along on DU
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:54 AM
Jun 2018

Cohen's flipping, and he knows where a lot of the bodies are buried (so to speak).
He's got a lot of evidence and his testimony will be crucial, almost as damning as Manafort's would be.

kpete

(72,060 posts)
20. Avenatti:
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:00 AM
Jun 2018

So after Mr. Ryan makes false accusations against me in fed court, he now abandons Mr. Cohen, withdraws, tucks his tail between his legs, & goes home? Just like David Schwartz before him!! Not a good look and a disaster for Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump.


Bleacher Creature

(11,258 posts)
19. Flip on who?
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:57 AM
Jun 2018

I'm mostly kidding, but this news does make the next steps so much more intriguing.

Clearly Trump is the big fish, and I'm sure Cohen has dirt on him, but what does he have? And what kind of evidence is there? Tapes? Emails?

And while the most important thing is bringing Trump to justice, I'd be lying if I said that I wouldn't be disappointed in not seeing the rest of them go down.

awesomerwb1

(4,270 posts)
21. Says who?
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:07 AM
Jun 2018

But seriously, I don't underestimate these guys. Especially knowing they can and will be pardoned by cheeto unless the charges are at the state level, and even then it's still not a given they won't be able to weasel themselves out of trouble.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
62. +1, Red Don doesn't give a damn about his public image outside his sycophants and will pardon ...
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:22 PM
Jun 2018

... everyone twice when he can.

Unless they can put them all under state charges I expect few of them to see jail time

blue-wave

(4,379 posts)
22. I thought he was just
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:15 AM
Jun 2018

the coffee boy! LOL

In all seriousness, this is very serious and very good news.

LiberalFighter

(51,393 posts)
24. Does Mueller really need Cohen?
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:19 AM
Jun 2018

I would think all those recorded conversations and documents would be the golden goose egg.

That might be why his attorneys aren't willing to continue. After seeing everything they might be thinking it is a lost cause.

BumRushDaShow

(130,122 posts)
26. Mueller had already handed him off to the SDNY.
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:31 AM
Jun 2018

But what this "cooperation" could do is lob a hit from an entirely different angle (money laundering from other countries, etc) outside of what Mueller is doing (primarily Russian collusion), although it's possible that any info "relevant" to Mueller's investigation (maybe Russian mob $$$?) could be passed over to Mueller.

yonder

(9,687 posts)
39. "(...lob a hit from an entirely different angle (money laundering from other countries, etc)"
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:48 AM
Jun 2018

Yes. This is good news.

After this past weekend's G-7 minus one fiasco, maybe an "improved" effort will be made to illuminate some of those activities.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
27. If they're getting paid they shouldn't care
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:32 AM
Jun 2018

So maybe they weren't getting paid. That law firm had quite a few people working 24/7 going thru the documents and that was very expensive. What a waste of money especially since Cohen damn well knew there wasn't much privileged info in there.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
38. Even if they aren't getting paid, they aren't out until the judge lets them out
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:45 AM
Jun 2018

While not getting paid is a common reason for submitting a motion to withdraw as counsel, courts aren't wild about granting those in criminal cases if it would leave the defendant without effective assistance of counsel.

Unlike doctors, dentists, plumbers, or any other professional, the Constitution does grant a right to a lawyer (if you are a criminal defendant).

If a private lawyer is not getting paid and wants out, many judges will take the position that the lawyer should have sought a bigger retainer up front before marching halfway across the river.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,502 posts)
84. Do they have public defenders for federal cases?
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 10:01 PM
Jun 2018

That would be appropriate considering it's what most everyday folks getting screwed by tRump's economic policies would have to do!
...

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
66. That's his problem
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:29 PM
Jun 2018

But once a lawyer decides to represent you in a proceeding, the court can keep that lawyer in whether they are getting paid or not.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
68. Creating chaos on the defense end is sometimes a strategy
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:34 PM
Jun 2018

Mumia Abu Jamal refused to cooperate with his court-appointed lawyer, demanded to be represented by a non-lawyer, and then appealed on the basis of ineffective assistance of counsel (unsuccessfully).

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
69. Ah, sounds like a hail marry but gives Cohen some time. I'm sure Red Don wont allow Cohen to ...
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:37 PM
Jun 2018

... see a day in jail though.

What are the chances there are some state charges involved?

thx in advance

LuckyLib

(6,823 posts)
55. Exactly. They took one look at the piles of incriminating
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jun 2018

evidence wheeled out of Cohen’s house and office and said “Outta here!”

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
33. His attorneys aren't out unless the court lets them out
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:41 AM
Jun 2018

Coupla things:

If his attorneys have filed a motion to withdraw, that will show up on the electronic docket in a little while.

If you represent a client in a court proceeding, you can't just bail out unless the court grants you permission to withdraw. They would have to file a motion to withdraw, and the court would have to grant that motion. So, perhaps someone is aware of the motion in the short time gap between it having been filed, and it showing up on the docket.

There are some narrow reasons why a court would grant that motion. If, say, the client was insisting on an illegal or unethical act, the lawyers can get out on that basis (through one of two routes). The other would be that the client has fired them (if, say, Cohen has decided to fall on his sword).

You don't really like to see too many instances in which the lawyers for a criminal defendant are allowed to leave. Sometimes the court can order them to stay on in an advisory capacity to the defendant, even if the defendant doesn't want them. The reason for that is that some criminal defendants are perfectly aware that by disrupting the attorney/client relationship, they can try to set up a situation where they can appeal on the basis of ineffective assistance of counsel.

In general, you WANT to see criminal defendants well represented, because the Sixth Amendment requires it. If they are not, then it is one of the ways in which a conviction can be challenged.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
41. If Cohen wants to flip he isn't going to need to spend hundreds of thousands
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:49 AM
Jun 2018

On defense, so isn't the most likely explanation that the move is at the request of the defendant?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
44. There is no motion on the PACER docket as of this moment
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:54 AM
Jun 2018

I just checked the docket a minute ago.

There can be some time lag between stuff being filed and stuff appearing on the electronic docket. The SDNY is usually pretty quick.

Even if it is at the request of the defendant, a court will NOT allow a criminal defendant to go unrepresented absent some further proceedings on competence to do so, etc..

But, no matter what the cause, in order to have his attorneys withdraw, there needs to be a motion filed to that effect, and an order granting that motion.

Perhaps a motion was filed and is not visible on the docket yet, but the attorneys can't leave the case - even if the client wants them to - absent permission of the court.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
46. I think most people understand that in a serious case the judge is
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 12:03 PM
Jun 2018

Going to ensure a seamless protection of defendants right to counsel.

What I am wondering is if these reports don't indicate that Cohen's agreement to cooperate isn't further developed, including his "queen for the day" proffer?

I expect we are.going to know a lot more by RMS.

louslobbs

(3,241 posts)
36. Sing, sing a song
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:44 AM
Jun 2018

Sing, sing a song
Sing out loud
What youse guys did wrong

Sing of corruption so sad
Sing of Trumpy and Vlad

Sing, sing a song
Pop that pimple you've waited way to long

Don't worry that it's not
Good enough for Muellers
Office to hear
Just sing, sing a song

Sing, what youse did wrong
Let the world sing along
Sing of all Trumpy did wrong
Your prison stay won't be so long

Sing, sing a song
Turn states witness
So your sentence won't be so long

Hurry cause Putin has a way
Of making you disappear

Just sing, sing a song
(Just sing, sing a song)
Just sing, sing a song


Sent from my iPad

Backwoodsrider

(764 posts)
37. just a guess but I bet the attorneys saw those tapes
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:44 AM
Jun 2018

They the attorneys told him sure they would continue to carry his case but he had to pay upfront...

And Cohens case is in SWNY not sure Don the con has much pull with that grp of prosecutors.

 

KCDebbie

(664 posts)
43. Cohen might as well be walking around with a gunsight
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 11:52 AM
Jun 2018

Tattooed on his head! He knows too much about Trump's business dealings and he owes the Russian mob money.

Cohen could also fall out a window...

Corktown

(22 posts)
56. You're spot on...
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:05 PM
Jun 2018

In his pictures from the Huffington Post story about this development, he looks like someone who's been up for two or three days without sleep. Too bad it's because he's worried about saving his own bacon, and not a sense of responsibility for the damage he's helped to incur on our nation, that's making him look that way....

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
60. Yes, he looks broken....
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:14 PM
Jun 2018

*for himself*. That worn look, rather than shamed.

uh.....Did that even make sense? Lol!

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
59. Is he going into the witness protection program ?
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:10 PM
Jun 2018

Both he and Manafort have some really, really bad people who'll come after them if they flip. They will send them a message they can be gotten anywhere in the prison system, which is where they're heading. They also know many of these people can never be trusted. End of the day they'll both be flipped, and probably closely protected.

Gothmog

(146,018 posts)
61. Cohen is running out of money to pay legal fees
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 01:15 PM
Jun 2018

In order to review all of the documents seized for privilege issues, I heard that Cohen's law firm had 10 to 20 attorneys working full time just on this one project. At New York rates, this would add up to $50,000 to $100,000 per day. I suspect that Cohen is running out of funds necessary to review all of the documents seized by the FBI and so is having to get new attorneys


jayschool2013

(2,319 posts)
72. To paraphrase Michael Cohen ...
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 02:06 PM
Jun 2018

&quot Mueller and you) will meet one day while you're in the courthouse. And (he) will take you for every penny you still don't have. And (he) will come after your (president) and everybody else that you possibly know. So (he's) warning you, tread very fucking lightly, (Mr. Cohen) because what (Mueller is) going to do to you is going to be fucking disgusting. You understand?"

&quot He's) going to mess your life up … for as long as you're on this frickin' planet … you're going to have judgments against you, so much money, you'll never know how to get out from underneath it."

Oh, and jail. Lots of jail.

cstanleytech

(26,365 posts)
81. I hope Trump pardons him.
Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:06 PM
Jun 2018

That way he cannot hide behind the 5th amendment and can be compelled to testify.

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