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Michael Cohen's attorneys have reportedly left his case. Cohen is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors, sources tell ABC News.As attorneys for Michael Cohen rush to meet Judge Kimba Woods Friday deadline to complete a privilege review of over 3.7 million documents seized in the April 9 raids of Cohens New York properties and law office, a source representing this matter has disclosed to ABC News that the law firm handling the case for Cohen is not expected to represent him going forward.
To date, Cohen has been represented by Stephen Ryan and Todd Harrison of the Washington and New York firm, McDermott, Will & Emery LLP.
No replacement counsel has been identified as of this time.
Cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York, sources said. This development, which is believed to be imminent, will likely hit the White House, family members, staffers and counsels hard.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-cooperate-attorneys-leave-case/story?id=55861988
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**Interesting update***
Person close to Cohen says he hasnt flipped yet, hes sending up a smoke signal to Trump: I need help.
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dameatball
(7,411 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)dameatball
(7,411 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,393 posts)calimary
(81,611 posts)Everything tilts or curves downward at the edges - the eyes, the eyebrows, and the mouth.
If I were ANY of these attorneys, I wouldn't have wanted to get involved with this bunch for any load of publicity or presumed payment (watch 'em get stiffed, which is trump's style of "doing business" . The mark of trump is a professional buzzkill, I suspect. I think it was repentant Republican Rick Wilson who first stated that everything trump touches dies.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)They'd probably have stayed on otherwise. They have other corrupt clients like him, believe me.
He needs all his cash for criminal defense now anyway.
lastlib
(23,391 posts)-- -- (pass the butter, pls!)
Fabulous blast from the past
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)noncliqer
(50 posts)Not yet, anyway. After a throaty YEE-HAH! earlier in the day, I've settled into a mood of cautious optimism.
cilla4progress
(24,804 posts)DEAR GODDESS!
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)1) He is unable to pay their bills.
and/or
2) He will not take their advice.
I suspect it's both. His lawyers have expressed concerns about costs, which a lawyer would do if they were afraid the client couldn't pay.
And I suspect they are advising cooperation and he may be resisting.
But he is absolutely fucked.
forgotmylogin
(7,540 posts)that lawyers in a high profile case like this would work pro bono if they could reasonably expect to win.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)about the privilege review deadline, they specifically said that costs are astronomical.
Baconator
(1,459 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)No doubt timed to get buried by something else.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)And we know Trump won't pay his legal bills, either.
Lulu KC
(2,579 posts)SDNY? Federal, right?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)... at least not that I've seen.
All Federal so far.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)The taxi medallions alone could mean life in prison for him in NY.
Zoonart
(11,922 posts)brooklynite
(95,060 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)to stop him cooperating. But then Cohen will just be subpoenaed to spill the dirt.
jpak
(41,761 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,307 posts)nt
safeinOhio
(32,762 posts)the evidence to State Prosecuters whose convictions cant be pardoned.
malaise
(269,352 posts)Never diss a man in front of his own family. When decision day comes he'll remember.
manor321
(3,344 posts)YES!!!!
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)And BLOTUS gets immediate chest pains!
Snip from the article:
"No replacement counsel has been identified as of this time.
Cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York, sources said. This development, which is believed to be imminent, will likely hit the White House, family members, staffers and counsels hard."
Backwoodsrider
(764 posts)NK in rear view mirror. The balls rolling now.... the intensity of Trump investigations will only increase until its over.
PS they are fighting over control of some 'possible' phone conversations Cohen allegedly recorded. Wasn't there another president in our past who behaved illegally and the tapes proved it so he quit? <sarcasm off>
Takket
(21,726 posts)But let's not be surprised if chump pardons this thug today.
Thekaspervote
(32,825 posts)Wednesdays
(17,498 posts)*cough* Nixon. *cough*
FakeNoose
(32,917 posts)Cohen's flipping, and he knows where a lot of the bodies are buried (so to speak).
He's got a lot of evidence and his testimony will be crucial, almost as damning as Manafort's would be.
kpete
(72,060 posts)So after Mr. Ryan makes false accusations against me in fed court, he now abandons Mr. Cohen, withdraws, tucks his tail between his legs, & goes home? Just like David Schwartz before him!! Not a good look and a disaster for Mr. Cohen and Mr. Trump.
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Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)I'm mostly kidding, but this news does make the next steps so much more intriguing.
Clearly Trump is the big fish, and I'm sure Cohen has dirt on him, but what does he have? And what kind of evidence is there? Tapes? Emails?
And while the most important thing is bringing Trump to justice, I'd be lying if I said that I wouldn't be disappointed in not seeing the rest of them go down.
awesomerwb1
(4,270 posts)But seriously, I don't underestimate these guys. Especially knowing they can and will be pardoned by cheeto unless the charges are at the state level, and even then it's still not a given they won't be able to weasel themselves out of trouble.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)... everyone twice when he can.
Unless they can put them all under state charges I expect few of them to see jail time
blue-wave
(4,379 posts)the coffee boy! LOL
In all seriousness, this is very serious and very good news.
LiberalFighter
(51,393 posts)I would think all those recorded conversations and documents would be the golden goose egg.
That might be why his attorneys aren't willing to continue. After seeing everything they might be thinking it is a lost cause.
BumRushDaShow
(130,122 posts)But what this "cooperation" could do is lob a hit from an entirely different angle (money laundering from other countries, etc) outside of what Mueller is doing (primarily Russian collusion), although it's possible that any info "relevant" to Mueller's investigation (maybe Russian mob $$$?) could be passed over to Mueller.
yonder
(9,687 posts)Yes. This is good news.
After this past weekend's G-7 minus one fiasco, maybe an "improved" effort will be made to illuminate some of those activities.
donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)So maybe they weren't getting paid. That law firm had quite a few people working 24/7 going thru the documents and that was very expensive. What a waste of money especially since Cohen damn well knew there wasn't much privileged info in there.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)While not getting paid is a common reason for submitting a motion to withdraw as counsel, courts aren't wild about granting those in criminal cases if it would leave the defendant without effective assistance of counsel.
Unlike doctors, dentists, plumbers, or any other professional, the Constitution does grant a right to a lawyer (if you are a criminal defendant).
If a private lawyer is not getting paid and wants out, many judges will take the position that the lawyer should have sought a bigger retainer up front before marching halfway across the river.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,502 posts)That would be appropriate considering it's what most everyday folks getting screwed by tRump's economic policies would have to do!
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)djacq
(1,634 posts)keithbvadu2
(37,061 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,378 posts)keithbvadu2
(37,061 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You want the worst defendants to have the best lawyers.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But once a lawyer decides to represent you in a proceeding, the court can keep that lawyer in whether they are getting paid or not.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Mumia Abu Jamal refused to cooperate with his court-appointed lawyer, demanded to be represented by a non-lawyer, and then appealed on the basis of ineffective assistance of counsel (unsuccessfully).
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)... see a day in jail though.
What are the chances there are some state charges involved?
thx in advance
LuckyLib
(6,823 posts)evidence wheeled out of Cohens house and office and said Outta here!
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Coupla things:
If his attorneys have filed a motion to withdraw, that will show up on the electronic docket in a little while.
If you represent a client in a court proceeding, you can't just bail out unless the court grants you permission to withdraw. They would have to file a motion to withdraw, and the court would have to grant that motion. So, perhaps someone is aware of the motion in the short time gap between it having been filed, and it showing up on the docket.
There are some narrow reasons why a court would grant that motion. If, say, the client was insisting on an illegal or unethical act, the lawyers can get out on that basis (through one of two routes). The other would be that the client has fired them (if, say, Cohen has decided to fall on his sword).
You don't really like to see too many instances in which the lawyers for a criminal defendant are allowed to leave. Sometimes the court can order them to stay on in an advisory capacity to the defendant, even if the defendant doesn't want them. The reason for that is that some criminal defendants are perfectly aware that by disrupting the attorney/client relationship, they can try to set up a situation where they can appeal on the basis of ineffective assistance of counsel.
In general, you WANT to see criminal defendants well represented, because the Sixth Amendment requires it. If they are not, then it is one of the ways in which a conviction can be challenged.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)On defense, so isn't the most likely explanation that the move is at the request of the defendant?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I just checked the docket a minute ago.
There can be some time lag between stuff being filed and stuff appearing on the electronic docket. The SDNY is usually pretty quick.
Even if it is at the request of the defendant, a court will NOT allow a criminal defendant to go unrepresented absent some further proceedings on competence to do so, etc..
But, no matter what the cause, in order to have his attorneys withdraw, there needs to be a motion filed to that effect, and an order granting that motion.
Perhaps a motion was filed and is not visible on the docket yet, but the attorneys can't leave the case - even if the client wants them to - absent permission of the court.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Going to ensure a seamless protection of defendants right to counsel.
What I am wondering is if these reports don't indicate that Cohen's agreement to cooperate isn't further developed, including his "queen for the day" proffer?
I expect we are.going to know a lot more by RMS.
tavernier
(12,429 posts)Very informative to those of us who only know law by way of My Cousin Vinny.
Dem_4_Life
(1,765 posts)louslobbs
(3,241 posts)Sing, sing a song
Sing out loud
What youse guys did wrong
Sing of corruption so sad
Sing of Trumpy and Vlad
Sing, sing a song
Pop that pimple you've waited way to long
Don't worry that it's not
Good enough for Muellers
Office to hear
Just sing, sing a song
Sing, what youse did wrong
Let the world sing along
Sing of all Trumpy did wrong
Your prison stay won't be so long
Sing, sing a song
Turn states witness
So your sentence won't be so long
Hurry cause Putin has a way
Of making you disappear
Just sing, sing a song
(Just sing, sing a song)
Just sing, sing a song
Sent from my iPad
Backwoodsrider
(764 posts)They the attorneys told him sure they would continue to carry his case but he had to pay upfront...
And Cohens case is in SWNY not sure Don the con has much pull with that grp of prosecutors.
Yavin4
(35,455 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Ask for delay to secure yet ANOTHER round of attorneys. Who's paying for all these lawyers?
KCDebbie
(664 posts)Tattooed on his head! He knows too much about Trump's business dealings and he owes the Russian mob money.
Cohen could also fall out a window...
Fla Dem
(23,898 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Corktown
(22 posts)In his pictures from the Huffington Post story about this development, he looks like someone who's been up for two or three days without sleep. Too bad it's because he's worried about saving his own bacon, and not a sense of responsibility for the damage he's helped to incur on our nation, that's making him look that way....
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)*for himself*. That worn look, rather than shamed.
uh.....Did that even make sense? Lol!
Hekate
(91,055 posts)axm
(91 posts)and Trump too!!
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Both he and Manafort have some really, really bad people who'll come after them if they flip. They will send them a message they can be gotten anywhere in the prison system, which is where they're heading. They also know many of these people can never be trusted. End of the day they'll both be flipped, and probably closely protected.
jayschool2013
(2,319 posts)Making Cinnabons at the Westroads Mall in Omaha.
("Better Call Saul" reference)
Gothmog
(146,018 posts)In order to review all of the documents seized for privilege issues, I heard that Cohen's law firm had 10 to 20 attorneys working full time just on this one project. At New York rates, this would add up to $50,000 to $100,000 per day. I suspect that Cohen is running out of funds necessary to review all of the documents seized by the FBI and so is having to get new attorneys
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shanny
(6,709 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,842 posts)BadGimp
(4,024 posts)God, I sure hope so!
jayschool2013
(2,319 posts)" Mueller and you) will meet one day while you're in the courthouse. And (he) will take you for every penny you still don't have. And (he) will come after your (president) and everybody else that you possibly know. So (he's) warning you, tread very fucking lightly, (Mr. Cohen) because what (Mueller is) going to do to you is going to be fucking disgusting. You understand?"
" He's) going to mess your life up
for as long as you're on this frickin' planet
you're going to have judgments against you, so much money, you'll never know how to get out from underneath it."
Oh, and jail. Lots of jail.
MineralMan
(146,354 posts)cstanleytech
(26,365 posts)That way he cannot hide behind the 5th amendment and can be compelled to testify.