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Can we please call it Facism now? (Original Post) Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 OP
Been there, done that, still do. Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #1
Yes winetourdriver01 Jun 2018 #2
Another Time cover dawg day Jun 2018 #3
I call it that all the time. My sign for June 30 will mention it. sinkingfeeling Jun 2018 #4
I got shit for this a couple months ago here... cilla4progress Jun 2018 #5
Doesn't matter at all what we call it. What matters is that we fight back with the aim to win struggle4progress Jun 2018 #6
A very odd type of fascism. former9thward Jun 2018 #7
LOL, "allows elections"... Did the person with the most votes win? ck4829 Jun 2018 #8
No shit. He and his buddy rigged it. Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #11
Yep. We've had proto-fascism simmering under the surface for a long time ck4829 Jun 2018 #12
That has happened about 4 times in our history. former9thward Jun 2018 #13
Rigged elections are not free and fair. Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #16
Rigging them since 1789. former9thward Jun 2018 #18
You know conspiracy bullshit is a TOS violation, right? Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #20
If it is you have violated it several times in this thread. former9thward Jun 2018 #22
I hear some goats on your bridge Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #29
I am sure you hear many things. former9thward Jun 2018 #30
Were you under the impression that we elected the president on a pure popular vote? mythology Jun 2018 #25
Not at all. Just that elections and "elections" shouldn't be proof of not-fascism ck4829 Jun 2018 #31
Uh... Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #10
I wish they still taught history in schools.... former9thward Jun 2018 #14
It's obvious you do. Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #15
Can you read a map? former9thward Jun 2018 #17
I spent a month every year in the Alaskan bush for fifteen years. Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #21
Please do some reading next time you are there. former9thward Jun 2018 #23
There's no need to get mad at each other ck4829 Jun 2018 #26
There's no need to get mad at each other ck4829 Jun 2018 #24
I find the premise that because we have not fully implented it Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #28
He certainly is. A lot of people would rather stay asleep, it's going to take some time to wake them ck4829 Jun 2018 #34
There is no concrete cutoff between Fascism and Democracy, though. Oneironaut Jun 2018 #19
I think you have to look at governments which have historically been defined as fascist. former9thward Jun 2018 #37
All pretty true, and deceiving Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #33
Might check this out.... Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #35
I have seen similar stuff by right wingers trying to prove the U.S. is communist. former9thward Jun 2018 #38
Yes ck4829 Jun 2018 #9
I prefer. Snackshack Jun 2018 #27
Complete Corruption. nt Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #32
Just a thought... welivetotreadonkings Jun 2018 #36

former9thward

(32,178 posts)
7. A very odd type of fascism.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:04 PM
Jun 2018

A fascism that allows opposition parties. A fascism that allows elections. A fascism that allows the media to say what they want. A fascism that allows people to post whatever they want on a internet discussion board. I am happy I have a historical knowledge of fascism and actually know what it is and more importantly what it isn't.

ck4829

(35,097 posts)
12. Yep. We've had proto-fascism simmering under the surface for a long time
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:17 PM
Jun 2018

Now our government and media has simply dropped the proto part.

We've got:
* A government at war with it's own citizens in the form of the war on drugs
* A healthcare system that chooses who is worthy of life and death by using money as access
* A media that is tied to the government, Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting
* Encouraging paranoia of the 'other'... be it liberals, immigrants, Muslims, refugees, etc.
* Conditioning the base, if Fox News said 'KILL', I am convinced we would see something like out of the Purge or historically Pogroms or Rwanda

former9thward

(32,178 posts)
13. That has happened about 4 times in our history.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:30 PM
Jun 2018

Have we lived under fascism since 1789? Are you familiar with the Constitution? If elections are not allowed then why bother with the mid-terms or 2020? Well, I guess you aren't....

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
20. You know conspiracy bullshit is a TOS violation, right?
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:08 PM
Jun 2018

Nothing like this has happened before. It should have been declared an act of war.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
25. Were you under the impression that we elected the president on a pure popular vote?
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:16 PM
Jun 2018

The rules of the election were known. It's not like they changed them on election day.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
10. Uh...
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:11 PM
Jun 2018

He's trying to do away with all of THAT. Just because he has not implented it doesn't make it something different...

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
15. It's obvious you do.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:53 PM
Jun 2018

Don't worry though, there are some great adult education classes around. If you tell me where you live, I can send you a link.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
21. I spent a month every year in the Alaskan bush for fifteen years.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:09 PM
Jun 2018

I promise you I read one better than you...

ck4829

(35,097 posts)
24. There's no need to get mad at each other
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:15 PM
Jun 2018

We need to get mad at the radical right fascists turning the US into a cesspool

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
28. I find the premise that because we have not fully implented it
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jun 2018

It somehow means Trump is not espousing Facism. He certainly is.

ck4829

(35,097 posts)
34. He certainly is. A lot of people would rather stay asleep, it's going to take some time to wake them
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:35 PM
Jun 2018

I see liberals being blamed for everything under the sun "school shootings", "high gas prices", "immigrants", etc. It is getting disturbing.

Even more disturbing I see a few right wingers I reported on Twitter use a symbol for Muslim the same way Nazis used a symbol for Jewish people.

Some people prefer to not face the ugly realities bubbling under the surface and coming up. Voting is a good thing, but it won't fix all of our problems too, it will not be a one-stop solution and that is the one thing you are expected to do, and yes we will need activism too. Many people don't want to realize that Trump and the rising radical right is a failure of civic institutions, not because of some low probability result.

All I'm saying is, it's going to take time and repeated effort to wake people up - Including many Democrats on the left. I used to be asleep too. Don't be too shocked when people don't see this immediately, they don't want to, but remember, there are those of us who do see it.

Oneironaut

(5,550 posts)
19. There is no concrete cutoff between Fascism and Democracy, though.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:08 PM
Jun 2018

Russia is unarguably an authoritarian regime, and they have elections, use of the internet, a "free" press, opposition parties, and mass media.

I don't believe the US is Fascist, but one must be careful not to define Fascism as needing a definitive collection of traits.

former9thward

(32,178 posts)
37. I think you have to look at governments which have historically been defined as fascist.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 07:48 AM
Jun 2018

Germany and Italy being the main ones. The U.S. is not remotely like either one of those countries either when they were fascism or in the years before.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
35. Might check this out....
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:40 PM
Jun 2018
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

Umberto Eco grew up in Italy during Mussolini's fascist regime.

Take a look at the 14 characteristics that he lays out.

former9thward

(32,178 posts)
38. I have seen similar stuff by right wingers trying to prove the U.S. is communist.
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 07:50 AM
Jun 2018

They pull stuff out of the Soviet Union or the writings of Marx or Lenin and then try and say the U.S. has the same things. No it doesn't.

36. Just a thought...
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:55 PM
Jun 2018

Trying to imagine how far Trump could take his party in the same direction other fascist regimes throughout history have gone before Ryan and McConnell would denounce him and encourage impeachment.

It's utterly frightening and completely depressing how far I can take this thought experiment...

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