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Civic Justice

(870 posts)
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 08:31 AM Jun 2018

"How We Win - in November, & How We Sustain it for 2020..

It takes not only ones self to get out in vote, it also takes the work to inspire, urge and incite others to get out and vote!!

Some may not like the work required, and others may fight the work that is necessary... and still some may fight just to fight what they don't want to do. Some may resent being reminded of what's needed. We always have some who detest being reminded and urged as to what we "must do"... if we expect to gain votes, embolden the voters to get out and vote...

It's not enough to just get Trump Out...

It takes not only ones self to get out in vote, it also takes the work to inspire, urge and incite others to get out and vote!!

"Right - Wrong - or- Indifferent" == what we see is "The Committed" Win's... it should "shock" us awake, just knowing such fact.
Those who realize these simple truths, will be a great resource to gather more voters to the Democratic Ideals and urge others to speak up, stand up and become self driven to get out and vote:.

Things we need to know and share with others so they too know..
This Article Tell a Good Reason The White People Support the Republicans

If anyone takes a look at comment sections on news articles, and commentary generated by Right Winger - Republican in General... they will find... these people generate content to push their narrative to embolden and solicit others to join them.

How do we know its true, polls have shown that more people are supporting Trump as the months come along, and more people have backed away from Mueller, and now even more people are backing away from impeachment for Trump...
These numbers tell a story.... but what drives those numbers is, Republican are "writing"... not just jokes and pun, but they write to promote the thoughts and ideals they garner from Right Wing Talk Radio, Right Wing TV, Right Wing Blogs, Right Wing Forums and they post that information. To them, it is real.... regardless how much we say they are ignorant and no matter how much we say they are uneducated, they invest themselves to spread their thoughts among each other and to attract others and they promote their commentary.

It seems the challenge we have, is democrats resent anyone urging them to use the same tools, of writing, too many, especially in this site, "resent" anyone trying to incite, urge and inspire and even pose them with the challenge and necessity of the challenge to write.

We have not yet digested the reality of what "over-confidence" produced in 2016 - which left us with "Trump" and before that, Our "over-confidence left us with a Republican Congress, only 2 yrs, into the Obama Administrations 1st term...

One thing Republican have found out, "Publicity is Publicity"... and when people rush to make comments of jokes on every Republican folly and even about their malice, they find out, it only serves to make Republican People more committed, because there is not enough dominant Democratic Narrative speaking about what Democrats Want, or Details to Explain what Democrats Want. Its just an incessant string of jokes, and one liner puns.. It so shallow, until people can't remember what they were incited about even one week earlier. We don't generate and promote enough narrative to help people with dialog to not be so quick, to be led on another "wack a mole" spin cycle.

Republican's know what they want... and they promote it..... They want what they continue to build, which is support for bias, support for white nationalism, they promote and support the want of authortarian rule, and they want public services diminished to the lower level. even when they know they are the highest number of recipients of public service. They don't care... they want the return to white dominance, and they do all they can to promote commentary and narrative to achieve it.

We seem to not want to know, and understand what we see, as being a view and reality, that tells us, IF we don't create and promote narrative and speak about "what we want" and do it with 'detail"... then we suffer more than we know, and may find out too late, that we did not do enough to inspire, urge and incite others to get out and vote!!

The choice is up to you.... you can resent all you want my continual urging's to write and promote democratic commentary, about what do we really want, but truth is simple, it is you are who will be too, part of what determines the outcomes, not just in 2018, but in 2020.

I'm not going to be a victim of Democratic Over-Confidence.... I saw the damage it caused in 2016, and I'm living with the results of what it caused for the past 6 yrs of Republican controlling Congress during Obama's term, and 2 yrs of Republican Controlling, Congress and the Presidency.


you can gloss over this post, rush to try and bury it, or what ever drives you... and if such over-confidence is what you are comfortable with... then you also will be comfortable with the results that over-confidence has proven to present.

"Right - Wrong - or- Indifferent" == what we see is "The Committed" Win's... it should "shock" us awake, just knowing such fact.


We say we want Republican and Trump to "STOP" doing what they are doing... but we are not saying what we actually want to be done. until we understand what we are not saying, just saying we want Republican to stop.. has little meaning to Republican and it does not feed enough information to Democrats or to Republicans as to knowing and expressing what we want to be done and what we want to achieve.

They on the other had, push and promote narrative to say what they want, and they invest to write and express what they want to be done. We seem to be missing that important point. therefore, we don't counter what they are saying, with dialog as to what we want and what we want to be done. so.. we are far less convincing in getting our ideals promoted.

It's not enough to just get Trump Out..

We need to be able and willing to say and write about what we want, how we want it and how we expect to get it done.
If any democrat does not understand the value of that.... then, it is not a good thing for us, and certainly does not get our ideals and plans for the future promoted.

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Squinch

(51,093 posts)
1. Your harangues against the people on DU meet with indifference
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 08:46 AM
Jun 2018

not because people are over-confident but because, for the most part, we are already heavily engaged in productive activism and we don't really feel the need to explain that to you for the umpteenth time.

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
2. I understand many are, but we always need to attract the new voters, as well as
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 08:59 AM
Jun 2018

attract those who have never voted and those who are not motivated.... If we don't think we need to everyday and through every way, increase our numbers...then we may learn the lesson we don't want to learn.. and see a lot more people who don't go to the polls. If you think what I write is not "Activism", then you are missing the point of the many ways of activism.

Today, we live in a world of social media and web commentary, the point and value of it is indispensable. If and as you are an activist, you for sure, should know well the meaning and value to trying to get people to create, support and promote dialog, by AS MANY MEANS AS WE CAN... and that includes urging people to write.

Thus so, why you come to critique the activism of trying to urge people to write... that is something of question, I find.

When we are up against a dedicated and devoted group as the Republican have shown themselves to be, we don't have the luxury of thinking there is only one way to be an activist. We may well be more concerned with how many ways we can be activist and do all we can to get people to promote and push Democratic Ideals, Wants and Narrative, BY ANY AND EVERY MEANS WE CAN; and that includes trying to get people to "write" !!!

Geez!!!!!!!!

in case you missed it, Republican are AGGRESSIVE... and you are challenged by Aggressive Activism on the part of Democrats by various means of Activism... it more a one dimension concept of Activism that you hold, and that may well prove to be a detriment, by not seeing and knowing there are many ways of Activism....

If you are an activist, then be one for every means and form of activism, rather than being thin skin to feel wounded because of another form of Activism to try to get people to write, when an asserted effort is being made to get people to be activist by "written word"..... by pointing out the detriment of not using "social media" and written words to promote the ideals, wants and agenda.

Think deeper and broader... Obama used the internet, and now republican adopted his model, and here we have people attacking the activism to try to get people to use every element of the internet to get people to create, write and promoted commentary to advance the Democratic Narrative.

I'm wondering what kind of people is being dealt with.... when they don't understand the need for every form and manner of Activism ?????

One thing is certain, passivity in any form in any medium does not work when dealing with Republicans who use every form and means to promoting their message and agenda and they do so aggressively..

Squinch

(51,093 posts)
3. Sigh.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 09:03 AM
Jun 2018
"We don't have the luxury of thinking there is only one way to be an activist"


So stop doing that.
 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
4. You do your method of activism, and I will do mine.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 09:09 AM
Jun 2018

You seem not to understand the need for a "multi prong method'..... and that's a shame.

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
7. I AM NOT going to tell you to stop your means of activism,
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 09:17 AM
Jun 2018

It's pathetic that you'd try to stop another means...

Geez.... how dangerous such is.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
9. Why do you apparently believe the DU community doesn't understand the need for every form
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 10:05 AM
Jun 2018

And manner of activism? What compels you to draw this conclusion?

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
6. overconfidence in only one means is not a good thing, you might want to consider that.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 09:11 AM
Jun 2018

I never said there were not other means of Activism... I'm concern about the content being promoted in every social media forum, including this one...

Maybe you don't understand the expanse and value of what is web based social media and forums that promote dialog and its power. If so, then that's your choice. I happen to value the element of forum based commentary that pushes the message and generate dialog... to speak about the challenges we face, but also to discuss the elements that support the platform.

Thank you for the attack.... it only emboldens me, to continue to write, because you present an example as to why writing is so necessary. and you represent an dire example of why the need to urge people to write, is even more necessary.

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
10. Asylum Seekers, "What is our idea of what should happen and how it should happen?"
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 10:15 AM
Jun 2018

We may well want to present them with ideas on how to handle immigrants seeking entry to America.

When it comes to people in general and parents with kids, "how would we handle it"... may be the dialog that matters. We can easily know what we don't want to happen and what we detest happening, but can we explain how we want things to happen?

I can... and I will..... the question to each is... can you and will you? explain how you would want it done?

If we are going to detail people for processing and we are spending money to house parents and kids, then we can create the same facilities to house parents with kids in a setting that is humane and respectful, and we can develop a "fair and equitable process where everyone is given the same "equality of opportunity" that was given the influx of Europeans over the past 100= yrs or so.
when they flooded the border of America. We did not separate them, and we gave them a fair shot to be admitted. We can't be a nation that give a fair chance to "white only people", and then turn and have a negative vile method when it comes to people who are non white, and don't come from European countries.

If we spent money to build tents, and use military bases, then we can do it with the EXACT same open regard we gave to the millions of Europeans who flooded this nation through Ellis Island, as well as the Millions more who came by any and many means, including illegal, which includes those who came and overstayed their Visa's and the countless ways that European white people have fled into this country.

If we can create places with attributes while they are being detained, then we can create and use those resource to provide it, while we at the same time "Respectfully", consider their plight with a sense of dignity and integrity, with a system that honors the values we claim to uphold.

We claim to give asylum to people, then we need not have a policy nor attitude that Latin America people from Mexico and Central America are less deserving of asylum as people, when they seek to escape from harms way.

We have massive volume of land in America, and we also have volumes of work that these people are willing to do, that American's are unwilling to do. We can develop a plan and program, where these people can be considered for these works and the areas that these works are needed, because its a fact.. that "White Americans" and "black american's are NOT going to do many of these jobs. No one is going to get a mass of white American who want to work in Vegetable Growing industry, and certainly after the history of slavery, there is not going to be a mass of black american, that are going to go to these fields and pick vegetables, or a variety of other jobs, they were once enslaved and forced to do.

The fact is, when we "know what we want" and know how we can consider and want to address what we want, then we have a better chance of getting that done. But when we only show our detesting attitude about the vile that is being done, without offering up 'ideals as to how it can be done, and show the benefits of having it done by such means... then we are not going to have the same affect to change the minds of Republicans.

We have to show how it can be done, and what can be the positive benefit of doing it a designed way by the ideal and outline, then we have a better chance to support our ideals and the case regarding immigration of people who cross illegally seeking asylum.
The average person who came here knowing they have nothing, and must get away from the violence of their land, they come willing to do what every work they can. They come knowing that Americans are not going to do various jobs and they come willing to do those jobs and do them with a determination and dedication, as they look to their childrens future in the long term, and they are willing to do this work to pave a way for their children to have a better future, and they know... this work... is a benefit and help to America, as their way of showing.. they support America.

That's the message we may want to invest ourselves to promote, to promote the understanding that can support the dignity and integrity of the people who want to come here, they people who need to come here for asylum's sake, and at the same time, demonstrate our sense of dignity and integrity as American, to know our own truth, and understand our own need and benefit of them coming here.

America has an aging workforce, and we have a high volume of America's who are determined NOT to do certain jobs, yet we know those jobs are valuable.

Then we may need to frame our message and promote it, with IDEALS.. of how to do what we must do... to support the integrity we say we have as American, and how we deal and treat those who come seeking asylum.

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