There are some really screwed up people in this country if they still support that idiot

Fake news, Democrats, locusts, solar flares, sugary soft drinks, kittens, whatever.

It was at that point me and the wife took shelter with the little uns in the storm cellar to escape them Mexican solar flares created by this new danger. We made sure to bring lots of Diet Coke with us because that is the Prezdents favorite drink and he says that sugar pop causes Muzlim locust swarms.

I'm so close to Mexico and it's so hot here I can't handle it with BBQ mittens!

more people are leaving the party. The country is approaching critical mass that Trump and his GOP enablers are Fascists, greedy, incompetent, liars, and just plain stupid.

He's over 40% according to 538's poll aggregate.

But there are a lot of conservatives who aren't so unconditionally loyal.

Right-leaning indies are less committed overall.

Many conservative women are outraged and, as said, heartbroken, by child abuse.

Some Christian conservatives are very strongly opposed.

A lot of Hispanic trumpsters weren't nearly as enthusiastic about him as their white supremacist counterparts are before this.

The OP's right. We were doing well before Trump started kidnapping and abusing children for political benefit. And now! As an angry, humiliated Trump looks for ways to double down...

His days are numbered. His life will be ruined and his family will be ruined. I have no doubt.

We are all better than this. I refuse to believe that a majority of people in this country are behind such an evil person.

do u?

Remember the last time we "relaxed" ("Hillary's got this in the bag - NO reason to worry!" ).

He was so good on that 6PM show when he filled in. Donny and John make a great pair.

Remember when Mark Halperin was fired for sexual Harassment.? That really hurt John.

https://deadline.com/2017/10/mark-halperin-nbc-news-fired-sexual-harassment-morning-joe-1202196008/


Ari Melber replaced the show. Donny was on Ari this week.
Joe is so jealous of Donny he is rude to him. Donny appears regularly on Nicole Wallace. A favorite of hers.

damage and gain as much ground as they possibly can before the crash.

Dems will need massive turnout & margins to win some areas.

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I should have made my user name "Whitaker Walt" but I was listening to a Proclaimers' album when I came up with Leith.

Oh, well. Maybe next time.

Tons of Americans love what he's doing. Nothing he does ever hurts him. I bet his approval goes up or barely moves from this.

That trend will continue. Trump is going down.

nothing to celebrate yet

This november adrenalin will our motivation.

The celebration should be reserved for a roaring success in November. That being said, the Trumpster has definitely jumped the shark on this issue. But behind the curtain, the GOP monster-elves are busy at work undermining the fabric of the country with their quiet introduction of a bill to dismantle Medicare, Medicaid and reduce Social Security. They're also planning another take-down of the ACA, a halt to the Mueller investigation and the coming 'summit' with Pooty.

Time is short. Their work is never done.

Nor is ours.

What really concerns me is our vulnerability in votes not being counted on election day. What happens if Russia, North Korea or China hack into our voting apparatus? Or, shut down the electric grid on election day?

Is this why Trump is visiting Putin next month? To make sure things are being coordinated? Today's collusion?

I do not think this meeting with Putin is coincidental. We know the trolls and bots are swarming and the hacking/cyber-intrusion is a real threat. However, a 'wave' at the polls makes turning an election far more difficult than a close margin. That's why getting people off their couches and down to the polls is so important. As for a possible grid attack? That one's pretty much above our pay grade and out of our hands. We all need to stay focused on what we can do and do it x 1000.

My 45 loving Faux watching gun humping Mexican hating sister in law is still praising the Mango Molester. Until that changes I can't believe that our country has turned a corner. She is my 'canary in a coalmine' for the GOP's bullshit.

He has done many things and said many things that should have prevented him from getting this far.

I hate to think what might have to happen to take him down, but tormenting little brown foreign children is not working.

2/3 of Americans oppose family seperations, and we've only caught a glimpse of what's really going on in these camps... yet.

optimism. What I see via acquaintances and even a few relatives/family members is doubling down and amping up by Trump supporters. We are not at a turning point by any stretch in my view — more like at a heightened hazard zone, a wider, more treacherous mine infested battlefield.

I'm more relaxed and optimistic than I've been in a while. Reason: this catastrophe can not be wrapped up within a few news cycles. It's going to go on, and on, and on, and on...

It's easy and desirable for the media to cover this because it is human interest. Easy to understand. Emotionally gut wrenching. And it all points directly to the White House--not some band of segregationists in Charlottsville. Not some conservative lobbyists or corporate criminals. Not even credible reports by informants about the President. Nothing complicated.

The helpers are working to put this right--the NGOs, local mayors and governors and eventually they will. But at the federal level it is chaos and they actually like it that way.

Their reasoning is that if they create enough chaos, then a wall makes the best solution. It doesn't, but they think the American people will think that.

What will do it is a good, comprehensive immigration system. Something we have been needing for a very long time. Come on Congress--get it done!

I've never seen so much (richly deserved) vitriol hurled at a POTUS like this. Even GWB after Iraq/Katrina didn't get it this bad.

I haven't been able to attend any other marches. I think it will be huge.

These children need to stay in the public eye all summer. I’m sorry to say that but people do have a short attention span, the next crazy tweet could knock them off the front page.

I sincerely hope I’m wrong. We cannot let them get kicked to page six.

There are some really intelligent writers on this forum, maybe a “White Rose Society” type of action may work. Have them write out essays about what terrors are taking place and we less fortunate writers could print out and distribute flyers or copy and paste to as many social forums as possible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

The White Rose (German: die Weiße Rose) was a non-violent, intellectual resistance group in Nazi Germany led by a group of students and a professor at the University of Munich. The group conducted an anonymous leaflet and graffiti campaign which called for active opposition to the Nazi regime. Their activities started in Munich on 27 June 1942, and ended with the arrest of the core group by the Gestapo on 18 February 1943.[1] They, as well as other members and supporters of the group who carried on distributing the pamphlets, faced show trials by the Nazi People's Court (Volksgerichtshof), and many of them were sentenced to death or imprisonment.

I like your white rose idea,

you are correct.

The man who is President of the United States is on tape saying that. There are literally hundreds of horrendous, vile things he's said and done since then. He can lie with impunity as long as he never admits he's wrong. He mockingly blames everyone else for every real or perceived issue, including those he needlessly created because of his own stupidity and greed. His immigrant "genius" wife just returned from a staged kiddie prison photo-op wearing a "Don't really care" jacket. Corey Lewandowski "womp-womped" on live TV to a 10-year old Down's syndrome girl who was separated from her mother by the policies of the Trump administration.

Trump supporters are "womp-womping" America and the world. What could he possibly do to piss them off?

All good?

And our base was seriously depressed, so this crossing of the line has actually caused many Dems to get back in the fight. Our indivisible group had 100+ more people show up at our last meeting.

Additionally, we're pushing some Independents to either $hit (do what's necessary to stop Trump) or get off the pot.

If none have perished, they would be allowing reporters, Congressmen, and the Red Cross in.

Remember, "You can do anything -- grab them by the pussy" was supposed to end his campaign.

The ability of people -- especially Republicans -- to rationalize away any horrible action never ceases to amaze me.

They'd be the ones who'd be praising Hitler for making the trains run on time.

I never fully grasped how 1930s Germany could fall under the sway of one man and a bunch of overtly insane ideas.

I now comprehend it. Fully.

the conversation has moved on from "is building a border wall a good idea?" to "if we give you money for the wall, will you stop kidnapping children?" this is a significant shift that has gone under-reported, along with fresh GOP plans to gut Medicare and Medicaid.

i think this is by design

the signalling to his base is clear: very soon they'll be able to physically purge Hispanics from society, but not just yet. patience.

meanwhile, the Republicans are circling the wagons to prop up and protect their favorite demagogue

the unthinkable has become debatable. things that would have led directly to impeachment of a president of either party are now open to further consideration. those who discard the significance of this shift now will be very surprised in November. and yes, i'll be happy to eat my words if the "Blue Wave" actually happens.

To derail the focus on the latest horror show.

Also, his followers (and probably most Republicans, given that they’ve hitched their wagon to that fucking fascist) are ALL of the belief that the border fiasco is the fault of those seeking asylum: “They’re illegal, so they blah blah blah.

The Republican Party’s penchant for racism, sexism, and catering to billionaires has been super-charged by King Asshole. They are HEARTLESS and SOULLESS and MUST BE STOPPED.

It is incredibly foolish to believe that. I'm convinced anyone who does believe that simply doesn't have any right wing friends or acquaintances. The word swoon was used earlier in this thread. That is absolutely correct regarding how white Republican American views Donald Trump.

His approval rating has been climbing and will not drop sharply, if at all, due to this topic. The Happy Adjusters are the most incompetent group of forecasters on the planet. That is the type who takes the latest bit of information and overreacts to comical extreme. I'm seen that group recently proposing Trump's approval back down to 30% range if not lower.

It took a string of outrageous acts and comments to lower Trump's approval to the mid to low 30s sustained for much of last year. There is nothing similar currently. Oh, his actions and words may be similar caliber but it was always guaranteed that the nation would come to be more accepting of that type of thing, as long as prosperity holds. I warned about that early in 2017. Trump happened to inherit an Obama economy ready to take off.

Once we had a stretch without a Charlottesville type of situation, along with economic confidence building among all income brackets, many people have simply changed their mind about Donald Trump toward accepting if not positive. They aren't going to tilt fully the other away again simply due to this immigration issue. First term presidents whose party did not hold the White House in the prior term receive immense benefit of a doubt.

Trump's approval will hold in the low 40s, even after this border issue is fully baked into the national mood.