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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:39 PM Jun 2018

What a brutal takedown of Fakevanka Trump






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The 36-year-old Ivanka has fallen far from the days when she tried to stage her father’s inaugural to echo Camelot, perhaps with dynastic presidential dreams herself. “She was infatuated with the Kennedys,” Fox said.

She tried to present her brand as luminous, caring and classy — a champion of women and children with a carefully curated image over the years on Instagram, in a blog and in books. Amid the dark hailstorm of her father, Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, she sold herself as the sunny morning — the one who would temper her father’s retrogressive and sometimes wretched moves.

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Even then, before all the horrors that would follow, it seemed like fan fiction. As a former top Trump administration official recently told me, “Donald Trump is the meanest man I’ve ever met.”

Ivanka’s quest to have a brand that both complemented and contrasted with her father was quixotic. After her panic when he left her mother for Marla Maples — Ivanka worried she wouldn’t be able to keep the Trump name, and called him constantly — she spent her life fashioning herself, “Vertigo”-style, into his ideal.

But, of course, no matter how hard Ivanka tried, Donald Trump thought she could be even more ideal. When she was a model, Fox writes, her father “suggested to friends that breast implants might help her along. One friend recalled getting a frantic call from Maryanne Trump, Donald’s sister, urging him to talk Donald out of letting her get plastic surgery that young,

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/opinion/sunday/ivanka-trump.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region


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What a brutal takedown of Fakevanka Trump (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 OP
Has one ever noticed that the Trump women all resemble Stepford Wife Barbie Dolls? ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2018 #1
Sure. sandensea Jun 2018 #19
That or shallow souls. KPN Jun 2018 #43
Except for themselves apparently Volaris Jun 2018 #57
That's the truth. sandensea Jun 2018 #58
Just like the women on Faux News. Oppaloopa Jun 2018 #32
And stiletto heels. All. The. Time. Hekate Jun 2018 #41
The month Melania was gone, she was at reprogramming camp. sarcasmo Jun 2018 #56
Cry me a river, you phony slime ball. I wish you as much or more fail as you father. Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #2
Yeah, her complete silence at the kidnapping thegoose Jun 2018 #10
She was not only silent but also tone-deaf. Remember the lovely pic of her and son? flibbitygiblets Jun 2018 #37
She probably loves her child, but NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #59
A dysfunctional family of damaged people vlyons Jun 2018 #3
Coming from a big family I can't believe not one of these kids would work for Oppaloopa Jun 2018 #28
Yes, but was your father an authoritarian dictator who demanded you obey every wish? flibbitygiblets Jun 2018 #39
I look at them like I imagine the Russian KPN Jun 2018 #47
Ditto here. It's like ... incestuous! Absolutely KPN Jun 2018 #45
Do they ever even see their mother? They are always around him. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #62
Ivanka has constructed a one woman Potemkin Village. madaboutharry Jun 2018 #4
+1 yonder Jun 2018 #38
Thanks for referencing Potemkin village lunatica Jun 2018 #53
A really troubling quote from the book about Ivanka that article discusses: 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2018 #5
Interesting, cooler and funnier...seriously? lunamagica Jun 2018 #6
Her and another classmate at that ultra expensive NY private school........ Bengus81 Jun 2018 #8
Perhaps she needed an extra dose of attention dalton99a Jun 2018 #9
ICK. GoCubsGo Jun 2018 #16
That so fuckng sick. Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #24
Dirty Grandpa Trump Pepsidog Jun 2018 #26
Disturbing, especially if you take all we know about him into consideration. nt oasis Jun 2018 #44
Daddy sexualized her at a very young age. lark Jun 2018 #18
I've always heard that kind of thing... Dave Starsky Jun 2018 #23
He continued to sexualize her right up to the election. "If she weren't my daughter, I'd date her" flibbitygiblets Jun 2018 #42
We have a winner here! KPN Jun 2018 #49
Friendship hug for wife, sexually intimate hug for daughter keithbvadu2 Jun 2018 #46
What a frigging sickening gif -- because it's real! KPN Jun 2018 #50
Yes you are right it smells. If true. Oppaloopa Jun 2018 #29
The Trump crime family belongs in prison dalton99a Jun 2018 #7
Give 'em 10 year's. KPN Jun 2018 #51
She is an absolute disgrace. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #11
I confess that you are kinder than me. KPN Jun 2018 #52
Maureen Dowd finally gets one right. n/t hlthe2b Jun 2018 #12
Yes, this confirms my original intention FakeNoose Jun 2018 #20
The Plastic Princess. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #13
Wow a eye lift and a noise job. Oppaloopa Jun 2018 #30
And chin and cheek implants. SunSeeker Jun 2018 #31
She pretty much bought a new face JI7 Jun 2018 #55
They look like two completely different people. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #63
Same can be said about Melania. Trump sure likes 'em plastic! SunSeeker Jun 2018 #68
Go live in your bubble and leave us alone! Boomerproud Jun 2018 #14
Patton Oswalt called the Trump family bronxiteforever Jun 2018 #15
Sure is, see mama Ivana lately. Stick a pin in and pop her inflated face Pepsidog Jun 2018 #27
Shes just another drumpf liar and grifter. lark Jun 2018 #17
I'm convinced she was sexually abused by that monster. MoonRiver Jun 2018 #21
I have to agree. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #35
When he was asked in an interview what he and Ivanka had in common, he answered smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #64
Yes I remember that, as much as I don't want to. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #65
Your daughter is a lucky girl/woman. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #66
MoDo for the takedown. She has her uses... n/t TygrBright Jun 2018 #22
A pleasure to think about the family and cilla4progress Jun 2018 #25
I was going to say: "they don't read", yonder Jun 2018 #40
She tried to make the inauguration like Camelot? Now that's funny. Epic fail I'd say. Vinca Jun 2018 #33
More like "Scam-a-lot" flibbitygiblets Jun 2018 #60
Maureen is spot on with this one. Tipperary Jun 2018 #34
"Seemed like fan fiction", perfect grantcart Jun 2018 #36
pay wall shanny Jun 2018 #48
I'm just taking a moment to savor the Edith Wharton/NY Society reference.... Hekate Jun 2018 #54
Kinda nice when the snarky smart-ass Maureen Dowd unloads on someone who deserves it. calimary Jun 2018 #61
Ivanka is not that bright and is out of her league Gothmog Jun 2018 #67

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,899 posts)
1. Has one ever noticed that the Trump women all resemble Stepford Wife Barbie Dolls?
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:46 PM
Jun 2018


Fake faces. Big boobs. Fake insides. Mechanical gestures.

Just wondering.

sandensea

(21,720 posts)
19. Sure.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 02:14 PM
Jun 2018

Most Republicans are body fascists. The woman (or guy) has to look like a Hitler fantasy, in order to be "ideal."

What it is, I'm not exactly sure. Low self-esteem?

Volaris

(10,280 posts)
57. Except for themselves apparently
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 04:20 PM
Jun 2018

As most of the Republican men that I've met are shaped quite a bit like newt Gingrich, and a paragon of physical virtue he aint.
Work out? Why, that would cut into scheduled precious Piss on Poor People Time, and that's just a bridge too far. Besides, since my wife is biblicaly obligated to sleep with me no matter how disgusting she finds me, why bother?

Hekate

(91,035 posts)
41. And stiletto heels. All. The. Time.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 03:30 PM
Jun 2018

The Mad King has a type he likes, and has transmitted it to his spawn.

 

thegoose

(3,115 posts)
10. Yeah, her complete silence at the kidnapping
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:44 PM
Jun 2018

Of all those children by her father reveals her to be a yawing black hole of immorality. Like the res of those creeps!

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
37. She was not only silent but also tone-deaf. Remember the lovely pic of her and son?
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 03:17 PM
Jun 2018


Isn't it lovely to be able to cuddle your beautiful baby? Womp-Womp!!

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
59. She probably loves her child, but
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 05:32 PM
Jun 2018

that's a posed, professional photo. It might as well be in an advertisement for...whatever.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
3. A dysfunctional family of damaged people
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:48 PM
Jun 2018

And that is exactly what Trump will do - is doing - to our country. He is such damaged goods that every thing he touches gets contaminated with his own ego-cherishing, envy, greed, hate, and stupidity.

Oppaloopa

(867 posts)
28. Coming from a big family I can't believe not one of these kids would work for
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 02:51 PM
Jun 2018

someone in another field. No strong independence for them or loyalty to their mother.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
39. Yes, but was your father an authoritarian dictator who demanded you obey every wish?
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 03:22 PM
Jun 2018

Many people have a parent who is like that, but very few grow up with that kind of wealth and public attention. I would imagine it's nearly impossible to break away from.

Having said that, all his adult children are deplorable. I wish THAT is what Hillary would have said at the debates.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
62. Do they ever even see their mother? They are always around him.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 07:37 PM
Jun 2018

I wonder if he forbids them from spending time with her.

madaboutharry

(40,246 posts)
4. Ivanka has constructed a one woman Potemkin Village.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:12 PM
Jun 2018

There is nothing about her that is real. The obvious plastic surgery aside, it is all fake. The staged family photos taken by professional photographers in which her children are wearing starched clothing and are awash in perfect lighting, her finishing school posture, and her phony little girl voice and annoying mid-sentence smiles are all part of a scheme to be the next Jackie Kennedy. It turned out to be a sick misfire.

Ivanka is as empty and insecure as her father, evidenced by the fake persona she created.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
53. Thanks for referencing Potemkin village
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 03:54 PM
Jun 2018

I’ve started doing it on DU when It was announced that Melania was going to the border to visit a detention center.

They’re relying more and more on the Wag The Dog optics. I think someone finally realized that Hitler’s rise was helped tremendously when he hired Leni Riefenstahl to make movies about him. The footage we see of his speeches and the adoring Germans giving him the Nazi salute as he rides through the streets standing in his car are her work. She was a consummate movie maker and her films have given us the image of the Hitler we know.

Trump’s reliance on having been on his reality show hasn’t quite proven to be enough. He makes sure to get important (to him) footage of himself in his rallies. It’s probably the real reason he has them. His daughter and wife are used to do the Potemkin version.

It’s really scary, because our voices and protests will be forgotten, just like any dissentors that resisted Hitler. Almost all we have of that point in history is carefully directed propaganda film and photographs of the head Nazis. We’re left thinking every German allowed it to happen. Or more than that, every German did their patriotic duty to help it happen.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,110 posts)
5. A really troubling quote from the book about Ivanka that article discusses:
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:12 PM
Jun 2018
She flashed a hot dog vendor when she was in eighth grade.


That action is portrayed as one of the behaviors that actually make Ivanka interesting.

My question is - what makes a 13-year-old girl flash a stranger on the street? That sounds like very abnormal behavior to me.

Bengus81

(6,939 posts)
8. Her and another classmate at that ultra expensive NY private school........
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:36 PM
Jun 2018

Just more of the same thinking by people like Trumps that MONEY can buy you the right to do anything to anybody with no consequences.

lark

(23,199 posts)
18. Daddy sexualized her at a very young age.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jun 2018

Such a totally disgusting, deplorable and abject failures as people family, every one of them.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
23. I've always heard that kind of thing...
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 02:37 PM
Jun 2018

Is a warning sign for sexual abuse.

It's fucked up any way you look at it.

What a strange, deeply disturbed family. They make the family from The Hills Have Eyes look like the Brady Bunch.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
42. He continued to sexualize her right up to the election. "If she weren't my daughter, I'd date her"
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 03:30 PM
Jun 2018

Trump touching her hip/waist in public.

His strong associations with convicted pedophiles and abusers of girls and women.

The way she has been noted to be "the world's best compartmentalizer" (in other words, has an uncanny ability to block out negative thoughts and memories). Hmm, how did she get so good at that?

keithbvadu2

(37,049 posts)
46. Friendship hug for wife, sexually intimate hug for daughter
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 03:43 PM
Jun 2018

Friendship hug for wife, sexually intimate hug for daughter

Body Language Expert Weighs In on Donald Trump’s Awkward RNC Stage Hugs With Melania and Ivanka

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/donald-trump-awkwardly-hugs-melania-ivanka-expert-weighs-in-w430543
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KPN

(15,679 posts)
50. What a frigging sickening gif -- because it's real!
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 03:50 PM
Jun 2018

I can’t imagine ever touching my own daughter that way!

What is f’ing wrong with the people who voted for and continue to support him. There is something tragically flawed in their human spirit.

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
20. Yes, this confirms my original intention
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 02:24 PM
Jun 2018

... of never reading that book about the Trump family. I'll bet some DUers will pick it up though.

SunSeeker

(51,808 posts)
31. And chin and cheek implants.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jun 2018

And huge, porn star sized breast implants. Just how daddy likes. Which is why he paid for it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
63. They look like two completely different people.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 07:39 PM
Jun 2018

That is all the work of a surgeon. Nothing about her is natural.

lark

(23,199 posts)
17. Shes just another drumpf liar and grifter.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 02:09 PM
Jun 2018

That is all. She is shallow and vapid beyond belief, nothing more that daddys' toy.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
21. I'm convinced she was sexually abused by that monster.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jun 2018

How far it went and for how long is completely unknown, unless Ivanka writes a tell-all, probably after the monster's death.

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
35. I have to agree.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 03:07 PM
Jun 2018

There are too many signs to ignore which point to some kind of abuse. The history of misogyny, the photos, and the sexual descriptions of his daughters point to a very deranged man who would have likely engaged in that kind of depravity.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
64. When he was asked in an interview what he and Ivanka had in common, he answered
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 07:41 PM
Jun 2018

"Sex". No kidding. How repulsive.

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
65. Yes I remember that, as much as I don't want to.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 07:58 PM
Jun 2018

Also, when Tiffany was a baby, or one year old, he was asked who she looked like and he said something along the lines that she was going to be very attractive because she had her mother's legs, and we'd have to wait and see if she developed her mother's (then he used his hands to indicate large breasts).

When my daughter was born and to this day I think that she is the most beautiful girl in the world, but I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, imagined or thought about how her legs, breasts, or other physical attributes were going to develop. I have, like any normal, non-pathological father, been focusing on her confidence, intelligence, and developing a well mannered but assertive and self assured young woman.

The man is just s disgusting sack of crap!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
66. Your daughter is a lucky girl/woman.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:07 PM
Jun 2018

It's so important to have a father who values his daughter as a human being and not as a piece of meat.

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