This isn't about politics. It was about her personally, which is allowed. Ask those same assholes if a private restaurant could refuse to serve Obama.

Sarah Sanders is not a protected class of persons.

We should be better than this.

All the false equivalencies the righties have been trying out about this are about race, gender identity, culture, etc. These are things you are born into: it is what you are.

Sara Three Names was booted for was she DID, not what she is as a person. Big difference.

But, of course, the right can't figure this out.

like skin color. This would explain a lot.

There are statutes protecting your race, etc., from discrimination.

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It’s encouraging that Sarah Huckabee Sanders was judged not by the color of her skin but by the content of her character.

-Anthony King
@theanthonyking

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We have all these people who want to refuse service to me as a member of the LGBTQ community, so I have no sympathy when someone like SHS gets her widdle feefees hurt when the same happens to her. RWers want to persecute and discriminate but when it comes back to bite them in the ass they run crying foul. Better toughen up, smowflakes.

Just don't throw them out of your restaurant because they hate your drapes. If they hate your BEING – or your brothers' and sisters' being – tell them in a principled "high" bearing: "I'm sorry, I cannot be party to, or support, your fascist regime. Come back after you have renounced Trump and everything he stands for."

We go high by being calm, firm and principled. Shouting and cursing is OK on Mondays... well, given the times EVERY day... but... darn it, we'reup against fascism... OK, let's be pissed, but not become fascist ourselves. Does that work? Is that "high"? Or just "not low."?

That is not being fascist, that is being principled.

THE OVERT LYING is nothing we have ever seen before.

Child kidnapping is nothing we have seen before.

This is beyond politics.....this is the very soul of our nation.
THEY started this and we gonna finish.

It's about morals, not politics. Thanks for highlighting that.

But that is the same argument the baker who refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding used. He believed the occaision was immoral and therefore he shouldn't be forced to participate.

Look, I detest SHS as much as everybody else on this site, but refusing her service in a place of business because she violates your personal values, is exactly the same set of principles claimed by the bigots who want to deny service or rights to the LGBQ community.

I know many are completely fed up with the constant lying and undermining of national institutions and values, but stooping to the same abysmal level for a bit of gut level satisfaction is wrong. If Democrats are truly concerned about the erosion of principles and rights, then those rights must be defended in EVERY case - even if you detest the person involved.

The management of the Mexican restaurant where K. Nielsen was heckled had the right approach: let her in and serve her dinner. And when the protesters show up, let them in too. Her right to service was not denied and the protesters right to protest was accommodated.

are not equivalent to morals. Even aetheists have morals.

Let everyone in! The protesters took care of Nielsen! And as for Sanders, I'm kinda torn by that. One, it gives the right ammunition to use against us (whether it's deserved or not), and two, it would be exhausting trying to identify everyone who is immoral. Maybe a better thing to do would have been to serve SHS and her party, and then donate all the money they spent to a progressive cause, and then let her know about it. "Sarah Sanders is funding Planned Parenthood"!

Civil rights concern the basic right to be free from unequal treatment based on certain protected characteristics (race, color, religion, sex, age, handicap, or national origin) in settings such as employment, education, housing, and access to public facilities.

A person doesn't choose to be gay, it's just who they are. The same as their gender or race, etc. it's not something they picked on a whim or because their employer urged them to do so.

A person does choose to be homophobic, racist, bigoted, xenophobic, etc. In doing so they're subject to the social repercussions of their acts. Be it shaming or a lack of service in an establishment staffed by people they've denigrated and/or harmed with their words and actions.

and the support of it.

And the LIES for it / as part of it.

and lie to the public daily as my vocation. So, I doubt would ever come up.

If I went in with, say, a button or t-shirt espousing my political beliefs and was told they don't serve liberals there, well, I'd leave and find someplace not overrun with Trumpkins.

and would be surprised to find out about the ones they know. They really think liberals are all a bunch of welfare layabouts. I always had to keep my mouth shut at work. They have no original thought and spout off every talking point of the day from the RNC no matter how bizarre. I am a petite white woman so I had to listen to a bunch of crap all the time I suppose that I look trustworthy. I had to learn how to shut it out and how to avoid them as much as possible. Maybe we should at least try to define liberal to them. It all boils down to them being bigots and dumbasses. I no longer work with public and don’t want to. I wonder what the ones who were convinced about FEMA camps think about the ICE camps? Or maybe it doesn’t matter in their small minds because they are not whites being held against their will.

Supporters' establishments or businesses. Trump I haven't had your experiences, but I hope I plan to pay closer attention.

I'll let you know

The Republican Party is firmly behind businesses that do this to LGBT customers, solely because of their sexual orientation.

They call it "religious freedom"

Well my religion allows me to refuse service to war criminals

Or flipped off, or told they're going to hell, or...

A few elections back...

discriminate against any person based on their moral beliefs, throwing SSH out of a restaurant was the exact same thing."

It's against my religion to deal with monsters. I agree with the OP, time to start making them pay for what they've done.

The baker case didn't create precedent and ruled narrowly for the baker in this situation (wrong though that decision may have been IMHO)

And I agree, that it's a slippery slope. But it hasn't actually happened yet. I'm concerned about Kennedy's apparent insistence that civil rights commissions are now going to have to be constantly looking over their shoulders to make sure that they are being deferential enough to claims of religious freedom- or least careful not to make any too strongly negative comments about religion in general.

but SCOTUS didn't legalize anything nationwide was the point.

BTW is that law being challenged?

So do they realize it would work both ways? You have to wonder. They are white and Republican and maybe it never occurred to them that somebody would not want THEM around.

a person's politics is a choice and can be kept private if desired.

but Religion is a CHOICE and can be kept quiet if desired.

and was born into it.

Religion has been and always will be a CHOICE. You may be "born into" a religion, but it is NOT genetic.

Clothes don't make a religion, clothes are a choice.


You are totally wrong.

I'm sorry your feel that way. And consider yourself lucky if you are probably not on the receiving end of discrimination.

As a gay man, I have been. By religious people claiming I chose to be gay. The same religious people that make a choice to believe in magical fairies that want to kill gays.

So, take your all-seeing self-righteous eye elsewhere.

you want to discriminate against completely different people who didn't claim anything about you or do anything to you.

Do you want to punish me for what those other people did to you? I don't make those claims.

Do you want to be punished because my white privileged gay coworker doesn't believe I was born in America? You didn't make that claim.

and putting words in my mouth that I did not say is so very typical.

Show me where I said I wanted to punish anyone. Welcome to ignore. And take your self-righteous bigoted attitude with you.

Your idiocy knows no bounds.

Reads really close to one.

"Your idiocy knows no bounds."

Calling some's idiocy out in not an attack.

If you are alerted on, it goes to a jury, you may/may not get a hide. You get enough violations, you get FFR.
As to 'snowflake' ohhh kay. The first time I saw that was last year from a RW poster on twitter. I jad to research that.
There is a difference between discussing ideas & insulting your allies. Your milage may vary, either way, enjoy the evening.

targeted quite often. Are they to hide who they are to suite you?

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If they were in a oposition to freely make a choice, do you think they would choose a belief system that treat women so badly. No. Stop being so full of shit.

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You don't have to agree with their choice and neither does anyone else if they're not imposing it on others, but there is such a thing as freedom of religion, just as there should be freedom to love who you want.

Stop with the blatant hypocrisy.

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Karma is just like gravity - it never stops working. If my behavior were such that I got shunned in public, I would sit down and examine what were the causes and conditions that caused it to happen. I would hope that I might learn something from the experience. That I could transform the experience into a little wisdom. In Buddhism, everything is part of the path, and all experiences can be opportunities to become more compassionate for the benefit of others.

As a Buddhist, there is a lot that I could teach SHS about how to live a happy life, but she isn't ready to hear it. I doubt that she wants to hear it, because it would require that she be willing to cast aside her ego-cherishing and all her condescending attitudes towards non-Christians, poor people, people of color, etc.

Which is one step higher on the path to enlightenment than her current being.

Thoughts to change the mind, that we Buddhists are taught, are the preciousness of human life, and that we do not know the day or the hour of our death. Human life is very very rare, compared to all the other species of sentient beings that exist. Only humans have the opportunity to hear the dharma, but it is a very very opportunity to do so. Over 300,000 species of beetles alone. So it's best not to waste the opportunity of a human life in chasing after wealth, power, and fame. And it's a waste of our precious human life to close our minds to treating people with loving kindness. I pray that everyone gets the most auspicious rebirth possible. But it's really not up to me to decide where karma pushes people.

Because of that, I don't anticipate that situation ever occurring.

she didn't either. She just happens to work for and speak on behalf of the President of the United States. However, in this particular instance, her visit to the restaurant was not as Press Secretary, but as a private citizen, just like you. I would agree with her ejection if she was behaving inappropriately or trying to stir up things but, at least as far as we know, it was her mere presence which prompted her removal.

I'm not. She stands up in front of a camera almost every day, lying for our poor excuse for a President. She demonstrates complete contempt for the news media depended on by everyone to tell us what's happening.

She is instantly recognizable by most people. Her public behavior is plenty of reason for her to be shunned.

I am not a public figure. When I go into a restaurant, nobody there has any idea of what my political views might be. Further, I'm not going to share them in a restaurant. I wear no slogans. My behavior is well within the boundaries of normal public behavior. I am there to enjoy a meal, and am willing to pay for it.

Public figures must own their public behavior. I'd throw Sarah Three Names out of my restaurant, too. And Trump. And anyone else from his administration who is a public figure. Their presence is a disruption, due to their public behavior.

I know that some restaurant staff members felt uncomfortable with her there, but unless she was making a scene, attacking staff, etc, there does not seem to a justifiable reason to eject her. Next time employees of some restaurant owned by rabid right-wingers feel "uncomfortable" with Barack Obama and his family or (insert famous Democratic political figure) and they get ejected from a restaurant, will we cry foul and demand justice for them? Or will be forced to agree that the restaurant was within their rights to eject them because of the feelings of their staff/owner? SHS is NOT a good person I agree but, until or unless she is charged and convicted of a crime(s) and given due process, she is still a citizen with all applicable rights and freedoms (I'm throwing up in my mouth typing this but it's true) whatever else we may think of her.

No doubt there will be criticism.

and the owner is the one who makes the final decision. I get that she was trying to be supportive of the staff but I believe the owner still made a mistake IMHO.

Her decision may end up costing her that business. It's too early to tell. The restaurant is very popular. What impact this incident will have is unpredictable.

It's not my restaurant. It wasn't my decision. People make choices, and have to live with the consequences of those choices. I'm just fine with that.

I can say this, however: If I owned a business and any member of the Trump administration entered it, I would ask that person to go somewhere else. I guarantee it.

there must be a check on the outrageous lies and behavior of the administration. SHS is the face of the lies, approves and promotes them. She shames and belittles journalists for asking questions that it's her job to answer.

With no checks and balances from Congress or courts, we are left with public shaming and boycotts.. citizen action while we still can. the police are following orders. Have you noticed?

that this is also about SHS lying for the administration, not just supporting them.

but still. I personally just don't agree with the idea of restaurants picking and choosing whom to serve based on their employer/political affiliation. If we are going down this road, however, we will have no ground to stand on if and when it happens to a prominent Democrat next time.

over something Obama said. Perfectly legal, and easily acceptable if someone does not want their business associated with a certain prominent, outspoken figure.

we pay her salary!! We should have some say

I have never thrown someone out of my business (fortunately never had to) but I have left businesses because they support DT... one day my partner and daughter and I went to eat out and the waiter came to the table with a Trump button on his shirt... we left and told him the reason for leaving (we could not in good faith support a business that supports DT)

Few people recognize me anywhere. Everyone recognizes SHS. She WANTS to be recognized. Baggage comes with recognition, sometimes.

There are consequences for being a party to fascism.

fight back more.

but I don't agree with what the restaurant did here and may possibly lead to a tit-for-tat situation that I don't believe will be good for the country. Not to mention that stuff like only energizes the Trumpian right-wing base and gives them ammo that they otherwise wouldn't have going into the midterms. SHS is a detestable person working for a truly despicable man and his (mis-)Administration. That being said, I don't know that this sort of protest/shunning is effective and/or warranted just because of her politics or who she works for and this behavior can (and probably will) just as easily be wielded against us as well.

“A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.”

like, we are supposed to be better than this.

...while we're "being better than that," we could be loaded in boxcars and sent to the camps. If it were up to me, NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON from the tRump* shithole administration would ever be tolerated in public, polite company again.

And further, I am sick to fucking death of <clutch pearls> wondering what tRump*s base will think of it. tRump* "base" only knows two things: hate and fear, which he feeds to them like mother's milk.

BULLETIN: tRump*s base has no issue with children ripped from their parent's arms, all to make a vindictive point. Donald J. tRump* has created a HUMANITARIAN CRISIS of monumental proportions, and was able to do so because persons like Sarah Huckster Sanders* keep giving him cover and an air of legitimacy.

just seems like an ineffective strategy to me- even if the person in question is SHS. Having patrons inside or outside expressing their free speech rights confronting her would have been a better idea JMHO. Maybe the restaurant owner should have encouraged her employees to confront her themselves would have been better. Throwing her out of the restaurant just gives her an opportunity to claim victimhood status and energize the righties at a time that we don't want/need them energized. Plus, it will probably just lead to more tit-for-tat denial of services. Do I personally really care if she got thrown out of the restaurant? No, not really. But I disagree with it as a political strategy.

...from what I understand, the owner take a poll of all the employees at the restaurant AND THEY VOTED NOT TO SERVE the Huckster*.

Charles Pierce from Esquire add his take:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210785226

This debate is stupid. It’s also dangerously beside the point. SarahHuck is the lying mouthpiece of a lying regime that is one step away from simply hauling people off in trucks. That she was politely told to take her business elsewhere is a small step towards assigning public responsibility to public officials that enable a perilous brand of politics. There are bigger steps to be taken, but everyone in official Washington is too damn timid to do what really needs to be done about this band of pirates.

And from me to you: You fly our Pride flag. This "administration" would kick us to the curb without a second thought. Stonewall came about because Drag Queens, Trans Peeps, Hustlers and other "deviants" stood up and said: FUCK YOU we are not going to take this anymore.

What if an admitted full-blown Nazi or KKK member came into your restaurant? There has to be a limit to what is tolerated in the name of politeness. Remember they are attempting to normalize these positions, so that they are not socially unacceptable, as they had become.

and then allow laws that attacks others for who they personally are. Should have thought that one through a little longer,eh?

Now, the majority has the same right. It's a hold our beer moment.

I would at least be mature and responsible enough to accept the social fallout that came with such behavior. Something rethugs used to refer to as personal responsibility.

Very well stated. Absolutely spoke for me. This should go viral if it is at all possible.

Thank you

they simply didn't serve us:

A native American woman and I walked into a rural Pennsylvania diner in the 1990s and sat at the counter. There were other customers but the place wasn't anywhere near full. After looking at the lunch menus, we tried for about an hour to get service. They studiously avoided all eye contact with us. We never got so much as a glass of water there. Finally my friend said they weren't going to let us buy lunch and we left. I don't know exactly what they thought but they obviously decided they didn't like us. Or maybe it was just me they didn't like: I think she told me she had eaten there in the past

And I was told to leave other places, when I wasn't making any noise at all but was just waiting for a waitress so I could order food

as a long hair guy back in the day I had similar experiences.

If she got all belligerent about the "slow service", then film her being a belligerent cry baby.

In northern Mn there are a lot of djt supporters.(I can't even put his name in here)! I will not knowingly go to any consumer that is a supporter of this immoral, obscene, despicable, lying piece of white trash!!! I just don't get how anyone can support him. Especially those who claim they are Christians.

I find myself unable to enter the door of any establishment that has a whiff of Trump.

The mearest molecule of it.

"This is reserved for the hat of the Grand Dragon." I asked what it meant and did not get an answer. We paid our bill left and never returned. I did find out what was referenced it meant what I thought. I too prefer that Trump supporters, racist, Fascist and Klan advertise who the are so I can express my right of association.

2008 working on Obama campaign and at a roadside vendor was told to move on when they saw the Obama bumper sticker..

SHS Is representing a truly evil admin....and republicans themselves have pushed for service to be be denied based on moral grounds. It's 2 way sword and I and we all should stand proudly with the Red Hen manager..

"What if that was you and your child was pulled from your arms, put in a cage, and you didn't know where they were or see them for months?"

I find their sense of anger to be far, far too selective.

Especially the last bit. When they go low we need to go right after them. Enough is enough.

1. Last year, the house across the street was undergoing major renovations. The general contractor showed up one day and parked his drumpf-stickered truck blocking my driveway. I had to hunt him down to ask him to move it so I could leave for work. After glaring at me for interrupting his berating the subs (some of whom were POC), he lumbered to his trash-heap and parked it a few feet past my driveway. When I have some renovations done on my 81-year-old house, he'd be the last contractor I'd hire.

2. My former primary care physician had an electronic count-down clock/calendar at the check-out counter (this was during President Obama's re-election campaign and the device counted down the time until the end of his first term). I told the clerk there that I found it inappropriate and offensive. She told me that other patients had complained, but "Dr. B" insisted on keeping it there. I changed doctors immediately.

3. My favorite local cafe is the last place ShitHeadSarah or any of her ilk would show up for a meal. About half of the staff are LGBTQIA and the others treat them like family (maybe even better). Another reason it is my favorite is because there's no TV, so no Faux Gnus. The sound system plays channels from Sirius/XM satellite radio, but strictly music. Political comments occasionally emerge at the bar, but very rarely do I hear regurgitation of right-wing paranoia, rage or other talking points. There are plenty of other places near-by, some less expensive, where knuckle-draggers might feel welcome. Point is: I feel welcome there, as do so many other patrons.

There’s no way that I would ever stand behind a White House podium and lie to the world in behalf of Donald Trump.

So, if l did get kicked out of a restaurant, it wouldn’t be the same as SHS. So, false analogy.

Mrscorpio.........I can't believe any of this - it's like some horror movie. I, for one, can't wait to never hear of DJT or his pack of cronies again. Apparently, SHS doesn't have any moral code herself. How can she lie and mislead people and support such a creep? And.....I can't understand why doesn't anyone call DJT out on his behavior, past and present? What are they afraid of? Makes one wonder.

"This is not political, it's moral."

We need to keep that in front of us, I think.

asked to leave a restaurant? It would be celebrated in memes and viral emails. I remember one of those emails from years ago about how a Vietnam Veteran kicked Jane Fonda out of his restaurant. The right wingers loved it (even though the story was bullshit). I don't see how this is a real controversy.

because of the owner's dislike for Biden's politics.

Ask them about the non-existent outrage from the right when that happened.

Plus those other right wing assholes were not in the process of overthrowibg the government...and tossing it into the hands of the international mob..



Oh, wait.....

The fascists on the right want to expunge liberalism, will not compromise or negotiate with Democrats, and in fact believe that Hillary (and Obama) are more dangerous to our republic than Vladimir Putin. There is absolute no telling where this could lead, but being asked to leave a restaurant may be the least of our worries in the future. There is currently a very large armed militia willing to do the government's bidding if abolishing progressives from the planet is the edict.

Isn't it funny that the gun nuts believe the 2nd Amendment is to protect us against government tyranny, but now that we actually have a tyrannical government, they walk in lockstep with it? Let's face it, this interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is actually a call to arms when DEMOCRATS are in office, plain and simple. Call a spade a spade.

I avoid Cracker Barrel.

on his car? Or the bakery that got over a million dollars in bigot donations when they refused to bake a same sex wedding cake?

Anthony King: It is encouraging that she was judged not by the color of her skin but by the content of her character.

With you 110% Well said!!!

He opened up the broadcast with it