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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSaw an interesting point made about White Privilege (Cloak & Dagger)
TV show about two teenagers: A young white woman and a young black man.
The white girl used to be affluent, until the death of her father sent her mother and her into poverty.
The AA boy comes from an upper middle class family.
The white girl is complaining that her extreme poverty has left her with no choice but to steal everything she has.
The AA boy interrupts her, (paraphrasing as I remember), "Because you CAN! You can walk into any room in this country, and no one will question you! I can't even walk into a department store! This entire country is trying to kill me EVERY DAY!"
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In an earlier episode the AA boy is complaining to his mother about how she expects him to be perfect all the time.
She tearfully tells him she's afraid of losing him even if he is perfect.
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I've been a fan of the comics of Cloak & Dagger. I'm glad to finally see a live-action version. I'm also really glad to see the show is taking on racism. However, it's really saddening that, as a country, we don't seem to have progressed at all since the early 80's when the characters were created.
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Coventina
(27,224 posts)in the Marvel universe?
As a young teenage girl, I was less interested in the overall social justice themes.
I just loved the romance and the use of their powers for their war against the exploitation of other children.
As an adult, I'm really enjoying the larger picture. And the way the characters are also aware of them. I do think this generation of teenagers are a lot more informed and aware than I was. I thought I was a social rebel because I was a GIRL who read COMIC BOOKS! LOL!
FSogol
(45,595 posts)Cloak and Dagger date to 1982.
Coventina
(27,224 posts)Coventina
(27,224 posts)FSogol
(45,595 posts)drama.
Coventina
(27,224 posts)So far it's a lot of teenage drama, because they are still trying to figure out what is happening to them (power-wise).
However, I think it's being handled pretty well, and I have hopes for it growing into something more.
The setting has been changed from NYC to New Orleans. IMHO, I think the change is for the better.
It certainly helps to give Ty more of an interesting backstory. His father (it turns out) is part of one of the secretive tribes of AA men in New Orleans.
DavidDvorkin
(19,510 posts)Both characters got to make their points, and both were presented powerfully.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Bill Mantlo, the creator, is also the guy who gave Hulk his pathos (and the creator of Eocket Raccon, Groot, Starlord, and many others). Fascinating, tragic story behind the man. Look him up and consider donating to his medical fund.
C&D are complicated, because Mantlo was trying to be anti-racist. Much of Marvels stuff was woke decades before it was cool. First (mainstream) black superhero. First gay, first bi, first Native American, first everything.
The problem with C&Ds original origin was Tandy was a rich white kid and Tyrone was a poor black kid from the projects. When Tandy runs away to the city, Tyrone protects her and teaches her how to be streetwise. Then they overdose on mutated heroin; when they come back to life, they have powers.
For fans of Luke Cage another example of Marvel making an inclusive, multicultural superhero that was accidentally horribly racist check out the stuff from the late 70s, specifically Powerman and Iron Fist. There are multiple issues where Luke Cage, the Hero of the Streets, has to hep a pimp retried his stolen prostitutes. Its well-intentioned, but also 70s blaxploitation made by non-blacks.
Coventina
(27,224 posts)It reverses the socio-economic status of the two characters.
Tandy is squatting in an abandoned church while Ty is from an upper-middle class family.
She's already a drug addict, while he is a good student, etc.
ck4829
(35,096 posts)apnu
(8,760 posts)Both the comics and the show. I like where its going and I like that it takes unflinching looks a current issues. We aren't in the 80s anymore what worked then, in comic form isn't going to work today in TV form.