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Coventina

(27,224 posts)
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 11:47 AM Jun 2018

Saw an interesting point made about White Privilege (Cloak & Dagger)

TV show about two teenagers: A young white woman and a young black man.


The white girl used to be affluent, until the death of her father sent her mother and her into poverty.

The AA boy comes from an upper middle class family.

The white girl is complaining that her extreme poverty has left her with no choice but to steal everything she has.

The AA boy interrupts her, (paraphrasing as I remember), "Because you CAN! You can walk into any room in this country, and no one will question you! I can't even walk into a department store! This entire country is trying to kill me EVERY DAY!"

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In an earlier episode the AA boy is complaining to his mother about how she expects him to be perfect all the time.

She tearfully tells him she's afraid of losing him even if he is perfect.

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I've been a fan of the comics of Cloak & Dagger. I'm glad to finally see a live-action version. I'm also really glad to see the show is taking on racism. However, it's really saddening that, as a country, we don't seem to have progressed at all since the early 80's when the characters were created.

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Saw an interesting point made about White Privilege (Cloak & Dagger) (Original Post) Coventina Jun 2018 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Anon-C Jun 2018 #1
I think (correct me if I'm wrong) it was the first interracial romance Coventina Jun 2018 #2
Nope, Danny Rand (Iron Fist) dated Misty Knight in 1977 and had the 1st interracial kiss in comics. FSogol Jun 2018 #4
OK, thanks for the correction! Coventina Jun 2018 #5
kicking for a good show... Coventina Jun 2018 #3
Is it out already? Would a fan of comics, but not necessarily C&D like it? Or is it mostly teenage FSogol Jun 2018 #6
Yes, it's out already. Coventina Jun 2018 #8
The show handled that very well DavidDvorkin Jun 2018 #7
One of the first interracial couples in comics Nevernose Jun 2018 #9
That's one reason why I like this live-action version. Coventina Jun 2018 #10
Interesting ck4829 Jun 2018 #11
I dig Cloak & Dagger apnu Jun 2018 #12

Response to Coventina (Original post)

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
2. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) it was the first interracial romance
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:02 PM
Jun 2018

in the Marvel universe?

As a young teenage girl, I was less interested in the overall social justice themes.

I just loved the romance and the use of their powers for their war against the exploitation of other children.

As an adult, I'm really enjoying the larger picture. And the way the characters are also aware of them. I do think this generation of teenagers are a lot more informed and aware than I was. I thought I was a social rebel because I was a GIRL who read COMIC BOOKS! LOL!

FSogol

(45,595 posts)
4. Nope, Danny Rand (Iron Fist) dated Misty Knight in 1977 and had the 1st interracial kiss in comics.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:16 PM
Jun 2018

Cloak and Dagger date to 1982.

FSogol

(45,595 posts)
6. Is it out already? Would a fan of comics, but not necessarily C&D like it? Or is it mostly teenage
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:43 PM
Jun 2018

drama.

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
8. Yes, it's out already.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:40 PM
Jun 2018

So far it's a lot of teenage drama, because they are still trying to figure out what is happening to them (power-wise).

However, I think it's being handled pretty well, and I have hopes for it growing into something more.

The setting has been changed from NYC to New Orleans. IMHO, I think the change is for the better.
It certainly helps to give Ty more of an interesting backstory. His father (it turns out) is part of one of the secretive tribes of AA men in New Orleans.

DavidDvorkin

(19,510 posts)
7. The show handled that very well
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:31 PM
Jun 2018

Both characters got to make their points, and both were presented powerfully.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
9. One of the first interracial couples in comics
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:54 PM
Jun 2018

Bill Mantlo, the creator, is also the guy who gave Hulk his pathos (and the creator of Eocket Raccon, Groot, Starlord, and many others). Fascinating, tragic story behind the man. Look him up and consider donating to his medical fund.

C&D are complicated, because Mantlo was trying to be anti-racist. Much of Marvel’s stuff was “woke” decades before it was cool. First (mainstream) black superhero. First gay, first bi, first Native American, first everything.

The problem with C&D’s original origin was Tandy was a rich white kid and Tyrone was a poor black kid from the projects. When Tandy runs away to the city, Tyrone protects her and teaches her how to be streetwise. Then they overdose on mutated heroin; when they come back to life, they have powers.

For fans of Luke Cage — another example of Marvel making an inclusive, multicultural superhero that was accidentally horribly racist — check out the stuff from the late 70s, specifically “Powerman and Iron Fist.” There are multiple issues where Luke Cage, “the Hero of the Streets,” has to hep a pimp retried his stolen prostitutes. It’s well-intentioned, but also 70s blaxploitation made by non-blacks.

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
10. That's one reason why I like this live-action version.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:01 PM
Jun 2018

It reverses the socio-economic status of the two characters.

Tandy is squatting in an abandoned church while Ty is from an upper-middle class family.

She's already a drug addict, while he is a good student, etc.

apnu

(8,760 posts)
12. I dig Cloak & Dagger
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 01:56 PM
Jun 2018

Both the comics and the show. I like where its going and I like that it takes unflinching looks a current issues. We aren't in the 80s anymore what worked then, in comic form isn't going to work today in TV form.

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