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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:03 AM Jun 2018

Trump threatens Harley-Davidson with taxes 'like never before' and predicts its eventual collapse

By Damian Paletta June 26 at 8:40 AM

President Trump on Tuesday threatened the iconic motorcycle company Harley-Davidson with severe taxes and predicted a public revolt that he said would eventually put the 115-year-old firm out of business, blasting the Wisconsin company for a plan to move some operations outside the United States as a way to avoid getting caught in the middle of an escalating trade war.





Trump also accused Harley-Davidson, without providing any evidence, of intentionally misleading Americans by saying the firm was moving some operations out of the United States in response to new tariffs imposed by the European Union.

The intensity of these attacks, which he typically reserves for political opponents, came in Twitter posts.

Tuesday marked Trump’s second straight day of leveling attacks at Harley-Davidson. The company’s announcement sparked a massive sell-off in the stock market amid fears that other companies might follow suit, worried about getting caught in the middle of Trump’s trade war with Europe, Canada, Mexico, China, Japan and possibly India.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/06/26/trump-threatens-harley-davidson-with-taxes-like-never-before-and-eventual-collapse/?utm_term=.b82e78bf5744
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Trump threatens Harley-Davidson with taxes 'like never before' and predicts its eventual collapse (Original Post) workinclasszero Jun 2018 OP
wtf, so he is saying he is going to tax harley at a different rate than other corps? Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #1
You are trying to talk about facts to a man who just makes stuff up. Botany Jun 2018 #8
Trump will stir up his brownshirt Trumpanzees workinclasszero Jun 2018 #34
Harley sounds almost like Hillary! Lock them up! Go after their emails! lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #37
Alex Jones on infowars workinclasszero Jun 2018 #38
Trump is a madman with fascist leanings Botany Jun 2018 #39
Now comes the time when the fascist demagogue turns on the capitalists workinclasszero Jun 2018 #31
He is sounding more like Mussolini by the minute. madaboutharry Jun 2018 #2
And the fucken GOP in congress sits on their asses, the yes men and sycophants, while the nation RKP5637 Jun 2018 #3
100% Agree Civic Justice Jun 2018 #9
"congress sits on their asses, the yes men and sycophants" mitch96 Jun 2018 #16
They might be learning (possibly/hopefully) not to fall for a con man. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2018 #17
Oh the cognitive dissonance, it hurts. C_U_L8R Jun 2018 #4
Harley Davidson will outlive and survive Twitler kimbutgar Jun 2018 #5
Can't they sue him for this or at least the office of the presidency ?!!? At some point PUNCH BACK!! uponit7771 Jun 2018 #6
Trump takes responsibility for nothing... Civic Justice Jun 2018 #7
trump, his family, and his henchmen are about to all be arrested like never before chelsea0011 Jun 2018 #10
GOP against free trade, stands by trade wars AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #11
I'm now waiting for "i burned my Harley" Watchfoxheadexplodes Jun 2018 #12
Most of the Harley Davidson owners I know are Trumptards. ooky Jun 2018 #26
Doesn't matter jberryhill Jun 2018 #28
This is a much different culture. ooky Jun 2018 #32
You'd think... jberryhill Jun 2018 #36
Yeah Fuhrer Dump turned millions of deplorables against the most popular sport workinclasszero Jun 2018 #35
Translation: modern International companies aren't playing by my 1890s playbook. Johonny Jun 2018 #13
But it's okay for him to build overseas? SharonClark Jun 2018 #14
Harley said that the Orange Anus's steel tariff back in April would cost them an CentralMass Jun 2018 #15
" steel tariff would cost them" mitch96 Jun 2018 #42
I believe that's against the law matt819 Jun 2018 #18
Time for tariff on Trump Org in2herbs Jun 2018 #19
Isn't this, like Unconstitutional? He's using his position to affect business? haele Jun 2018 #20
Exactly! Just saw your comment. He definitely has a different playbook R B Garr Jun 2018 #22
Well, so are Bills of Attainder. Dave Starsky Jun 2018 #40
Attacking another American business -- like a true Russian asset would do. R B Garr Jun 2018 #21
ABUSE OF POWER, plain and simple. shraby Jun 2018 #23
I hope this tweet changes some minds in Wisconsin! riversedge Jun 2018 #24
So now Donnie is openly threatening American corporations? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #25
Look at Trump, picking winners and losers! muntrv Jun 2018 #27
He's threatening all businesses duforsure Jun 2018 #29
While I don't play an attorney on tv, Corgigal Jun 2018 #30
Harley-Davidson will still be around when the last "TRUMP" is Buns_of_Fire Jun 2018 #33
Hog tying... Blue Owl Jun 2018 #41
I think he should go to a biker bar and say that. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2018 #43
wouldn't he be welcomed at a biker bar? pstokely Jun 2018 #44
Not if he's going to dis Harley Davidson Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2018 #46
but does their love for HD outweigh their hate? pstokely Jun 2018 #47
You don't know many bikers do you Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2018 #48
admittedly I don't, I doubt many bikers in the cult of deplorables will change their minds pstokely Jun 2018 #49
so if you disagree with don, he'll raise your taxes? spanone Jun 2018 #45

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
1. wtf, so he is saying he is going to tax harley at a different rate than other corps?
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:07 AM
Jun 2018

or he is going to tax corp who have overseas ops?

or just more lies from the Pig.

Botany

(70,668 posts)
8. You are trying to talk about facts to a man who just makes stuff up.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:11 AM
Jun 2018

You are right the POTUS does not set tax rates but that has nothing to do
w/Trump's stupidity and insanity but that means nothing to Trump and >75%
of the media.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
34. Trump will stir up his brownshirt Trumpanzees
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:38 AM
Jun 2018

to attack Harley!

Call them traitors and democrats. He will drag their name through the mud on Fox "news" and hate radio.

The capitalist GOP's Frankenstein monster will not be controlled by wall street and the MSM insists that we be polite as the fascists take over LOLOLOL!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
38. Alex Jones on infowars
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:49 AM
Jun 2018

will accuse H-D of being a front for George Soros.

Hannity will say Hillary and Obama are pulling HD's strings LOL

Botany

(70,668 posts)
39. Trump is a madman with fascist leanings
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:50 AM
Jun 2018

Trump kept a book w/a copy of Hitler's speeches by his bed.


As far as I am concerned Trump's base are not worth spending 1 minute of time on
or $1.00's worth outreach to .... Trump scratches their racist/sexist/proud to be a
dumbfuck itches.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
31. Now comes the time when the fascist demagogue turns on the capitalists
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:31 AM
Jun 2018

that put him in power!

JUST LIKE HITLER!

If democrats don't have a historic, massive turnout in the midterms, the USA is DEAD!

How do you like your dictator and his chickenshit constitution destroying GOP now wall street!?

madaboutharry

(40,248 posts)
2. He is sounding more like Mussolini by the minute.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:07 AM
Jun 2018

Now he is threatening private corporations. Next thing we know he is going to try to "nationalize" the company. Just waiting for him to go on full on fascist.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
3. And the fucken GOP in congress sits on their asses, the yes men and sycophants, while the nation
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:08 AM
Jun 2018

is destroyed. The greatest danger to America is a republican.

mitch96

(13,948 posts)
16. "congress sits on their asses, the yes men and sycophants"
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:26 AM
Jun 2018

I think that they will keep him to get their agenda passed and they don't give a shit about Harley or another company that will suffer. Once their agenda is not being met,
he's gone.YMMV, that's just me..
I wonder what the tRump voting Harley employees feel about this?
Like my Mom said about politicians...Vote for me the hell with you!
m

C_U_L8R

(45,047 posts)
4. Oh the cognitive dissonance, it hurts.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:08 AM
Jun 2018

What are hog-riding Trump voters gonna do now?
Stay true to their ride or hang their hats with Trump and burn their trusted bikes???
Maybe it's time they became Democrats - we don't pull bullshit like that, ever.

kimbutgar

(21,289 posts)
5. Harley Davidson will outlive and survive Twitler
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:10 AM
Jun 2018

I wonder if his supporters who owns Harley’s are now trying to destroy them? All those red neck bikers must be so mad at their motorcycles now! Ha ha couldn’t happen to a better bunch. Will we see you tube videos of people burning up their bikes?

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
7. Trump takes responsibility for nothing...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:11 AM
Jun 2018

the low life... is like a wild maniac... with no idea of the consequences of his actions.

We can expect nothing but "more attacks" on something, and based on his attack mentality, he's like a gangster, that knows nothing but attack and greed gouging. Trump is a Parasite !!!!

Wait till the other nations truly get engaced with their their defenses against this trade mess Trump has created....When the suffering hits the average household and affects each as an Individual... maybe then people will begin to voice their opinions... and promote new ideas on how we can do things different for the betterment of the nation and us as a people.

Until then.....

ooky

(8,942 posts)
26. Most of the Harley Davidson owners I know are Trumptards.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:09 AM
Jun 2018

Its going to be interesting to see how they react to this. For a lot of them, their self image is tied to their Harley and their social life centers around their interaction with other Harley owners. Just look at the Facebook pages where they proudly display themselves with their Harley. I don't think that making war on Harley is going to be a winner for Trump. Not seeing this culture being willing to go to war with him against their iconic brand.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. You'd think...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:45 AM
Jun 2018

How much of the H-D culture revolves around buying new H-D motorcycles, as opposed to aftermarket, restoration and trade in classic models?

I knew some folks who were heavily into Mercedes car clubs who, I swear, hadn't been anywhere near a Mercedes showroom in over a decade.

There used to be a similar thing with VW beetles and vans (probably still is). I can tear down and rebuild an air-cooled VW engine, but haven't touched one of their cars since the Rabbit.
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
35. Yeah Fuhrer Dump turned millions of deplorables against the most popular sport
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:43 AM
Jun 2018

in the country.

Wait and see what he does to Harley now.

Eagerly waiting for the first dotard burning of the Hogs on YouTube!

Johonny

(20,975 posts)
13. Translation: modern International companies aren't playing by my 1890s playbook.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jun 2018

I'll just twitter tantrum them until they do.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
15. Harley said that the Orange Anus's steel tariff back in April would cost them an
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:20 AM
Jun 2018

additional $20 million in material costs this year (~ 8 months). This latest EU counter tariff would raise the cost of their bikes built here and sold there by $2200 and would cost them about $100 million a year. Over 16% of Harley's sales were in Europe last year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/25/harley-davidson-says-it-will-not-raise-prices-to-cover-eu-tariff-cost.html

mitch96

(13,948 posts)
42. " steel tariff would cost them"
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:12 PM
Jun 2018

I wonder when tRump's beloved corporate tax break equals the steel and EU tariffs?
Oh wait!! I know. Harley will cut wages, benefits and employees to "meet quarterly numbers" bullshit. With the boomers not buying due to age Harley is hurting. Their numbers aren't what they use to be...
m

matt819

(10,749 posts)
18. I believe that's against the law
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:49 AM
Jun 2018

Saying stuff that could affect stock price as well as taxing specific companies.

You really gotta marvel at the abject stupidity demonstrated by the buffoon-in-chief.

His trade war actions result in tariffs on H-D motorcycles.

H-D does what any corporation would do in a similar situation if resources allow - move production elsewhere to avoid the tariffs. No brainer. China. Big market. Avoid tariffs.

Then the buffoon-in-chief says if you want to "come back" to the US, i.e., create jobs, we're going to tax the hell out of you to make sure that doesn't happen, and we're going to put you out of business.

Books will be written about this.

in2herbs

(2,947 posts)
19. Time for tariff on Trump Org
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:49 AM
Jun 2018

PM Trudeau if you're listening, please impose your country's tariffs on the Trump Organization, not the American people. Otherwise, your country's border one day will border to a Russian-ruled country (US).

I'm a newbie: can anybody tell me how to remove all but the Reply to Post icon?

haele

(12,702 posts)
20. Isn't this, like Unconstitutional? He's using his position to affect business?
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:53 AM
Jun 2018

Putin must be very happy today. America is going down the toilet, and all it cost was a pittance of his stolen wealth! What a great investment he made in Drumpf...

Haele

R B Garr

(17,020 posts)
22. Exactly! Just saw your comment. He definitely has a different playbook
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:57 AM
Jun 2018

other than America First. He is a complete gift to Putin.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
40. Well, so are Bills of Attainder.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 12:32 PM
Jun 2018

Which, even if this shithead Congress passed a law punishing Harley, is exactly what this would be.

But it's not like we give a shit about the Constitution anymore. He's been blatantly violating the Emoluments Clause since Day One.

R B Garr

(17,020 posts)
21. Attacking another American business -- like a true Russian asset would do.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:56 AM
Jun 2018

When will they get it and do something.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
25. So now Donnie is openly threatening American corporations?
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:03 AM
Jun 2018

And implying he'll cook up a special punitive tax rate just for them??

Sadly, the Trumpers will still find a way to spin this.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
29. He's threatening all businesses
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:21 AM
Jun 2018

Do as I want, or else, and he's all along tried to use suggestions to make them comply with his shakedown , and pay into his campaign PAC which he then funnels it into his pockets for whatever he wants. Those that resist as he abuses his power to hurt them with, like he's doing to people , and these little children now. Its all about shaking others down to bow down to him and his demands or else. Businesses should if they can join together and sue him for damages he's caused intentionally to use against them now. putin did this in russia and controlled or stole businesses to enrich himself with to the tune of over 200 billion.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
30. While I don't play an attorney on tv,
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:23 AM
Jun 2018

nor on DU. I have a feels the Mueller team had to buy another box of folders from staples.
Just a theory.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,218 posts)
33. Harley-Davidson will still be around when the last "TRUMP" is
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:33 AM
Jun 2018

being sandblasted from some unfortunate hotel.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,509 posts)
48. You don't know many bikers do you
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 03:31 PM
Jun 2018

Most are apolitical. However if you want to fuck with their favorite activity...………………..

pstokely

(10,541 posts)
49. admittedly I don't, I doubt many bikers in the cult of deplorables will change their minds
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:01 PM
Jun 2018

I'm not a white boomer male getting too old to ride their overpriced cycle, but I am near a soon to close HD plant,

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