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applegrove

(118,965 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:45 PM Jun 2018

Farmers in America are killing themselves in staggering numbers

By IRINA IVANOVA at CBS

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-farmers-rising-suicide-rates-plummeting-incomes/

"SNIP........

"Think about trying to live today on the income you had 15 years ago." That's how agriculture expert Chris Hurt describes the plight facing U.S. farmers today.

The unequal economy that's emerged over the past decade, combined with patchy access to health care in rural areas, have had a severe impact on the people growing America's food. Recent data shows just how much. Farmers are dying by suicide at a higher rate than any other occupational group, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The suicide rate in the field of farming, fishing and forestry is 84.5 per 100,000 people -- more than five times that of the population as a whole. That's even as the nation overall has seen an increase in suicide rates over the last 30 years.

.....

However, the figures in the CDC study mirror other recent findings. Rates of suicide have risen fastest, and are highest, in rural areas, the CDC found in a different study released earlier this month. Other countries have seen this issue, too -- including India, where 60,000 farmer suicides have been linked to climate change.

..........SNIP"

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Farmers in America are killing themselves in staggering numbers (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2018 OP
If this information continues, look for more attacks on the CDC by the Trump administration dameatball Jun 2018 #1
I am surprised is isn't higher since the fucking moron won BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #2
I live on a farm. I'm a Democrat. cwydro Jun 2018 #7
If anyone voted for the GOP or didn't vote at all and complains BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #10
Well most farmers I know did NOT. cwydro Jun 2018 #19
Same here MuseRider Jun 2018 #30
Yes. cwydro Jun 2018 #37
How did your county vote? wellst0nev0ter Jun 2018 #41
Yeah. "TOUGH!" Wow, that is what you have to say about suicide. Tipperary Jun 2018 #32
I have a 12 acre farm. SamKnause Jun 2018 #12
Good for YOU! BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #14
Speaking as a farmer about whom you've already generalized... cwydro Jun 2018 #20
Extremely anxious and depressing times. democratisphere Jun 2018 #3
There may be mental health issues also JI7 Jun 2018 #4
Cynical thought here... alwaysinasnit Jun 2018 #5
Apparently. MuseRider Jun 2018 #6
From everything I've read... alwaysinasnit Jun 2018 #9
Soul deadening (R) Achilleaze Jun 2018 #26
The weather added to all that MuseRider Jun 2018 #31
NC here. This year we're getting the rain, thank goodness. cwydro Jun 2018 #38
You have been getting lots MuseRider Jun 2018 #39
Yes they are with bags of cash. Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #8
I guess a lot of them feel that suicide is better than not voting Republican world wide wally Jun 2018 #11
What utter bullshit. cwydro Jun 2018 #21
one wonders why all these red state farmers do not change their voting ways nt msongs Jun 2018 #13
YAY IMA STOCKING UP ON SOYBEANS populistdriven Jun 2018 #18
k and r...nt Stuart G Jun 2018 #15
Hell, I've been living on the same income level OR LESS for the past 20 years... Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #16
BUT... MuseRider Jun 2018 #25
And yes, since I am self employed... Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #29
Thank you for telling me that MuseRider Jun 2018 #33
Thank you very much for your kind words. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #36
Farming, as a small business, is a wicked game. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #17
Soy beans could affect 2018 election results Gothmog Jun 2018 #22
Murder-Suicide - thanks guys lame54 Jun 2018 #23
Just wait until this fall when they take their crops to grain elevators to sell. roamer65 Jun 2018 #24
I fear that our older citizens are going to be adding to that grim trend ladjf Jun 2018 #27
Here in NY it's taxi owners. lapucelle Jun 2018 #28
Good god that is sad. MuseRider Jun 2018 #34
Yes, I read about the increase in taxi driver suicide. Horrible. Tipperary Jun 2018 #35
There are many things MuseRider Jun 2018 #40

BigmanPigman

(51,675 posts)
2. I am surprised is isn't higher since the fucking moron won
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jun 2018

and everyone has been so anxious and depressed (the Dems that is). Now the farmers are sad too? Who did they vote for? They are the reason the Dems are anxious and sad and we voted for a govt that cares about people...if they are too stupid to realize it tough shit! I shouldn't have to suffer, lose my ACA and go bankrupt due to their willful ignorance and blind loyalty.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
7. I live on a farm. I'm a Democrat.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 06:01 PM
Jun 2018

My closest neighbors are farmers. Black farmers.

None of us voted for that pig. Try not to talk about what you don’t know.

Take your broad brush and...find something else to do with it.

BigmanPigman

(51,675 posts)
10. If anyone voted for the GOP or didn't vote at all and complains
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 06:23 PM
Jun 2018

about the policies coming home to bite them I say tough! That applies to any profession and those who are unemployed or retired.

MuseRider

(34,142 posts)
30. Same here
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jun 2018

but it is just too easy to slam them all. Ranchers around here vote Republican far more than farmers. I do not know why but it is the case in this state anyway. I cannot back that up with numbers though but from all the elections I have worked on and from those sending us out to try to make some inroads that is what they say.

Farmers understand socialism by their daily lives but they do not understand it politically. It should be easy to change politically but it isn't, at least for me. I have had little luck with those discussions but that does not mean they don't vote for Democrats.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
37. Yes.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:15 PM
Jun 2018

So much broad brushing here by people who’ve never done a hard days labor in the sun or cold or rain.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
32. Yeah. "TOUGH!" Wow, that is what you have to say about suicide.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:18 AM
Jun 2018

What a true liberal. What a caring person. Such empathy for others that you know nothing about at all.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
20. Speaking as a farmer about whom you've already generalized...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:00 PM
Jun 2018

I don’t need your clapping emojis.

JI7

(89,289 posts)
4. There may be mental health issues also
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 05:53 PM
Jun 2018

Because this is a way of life where it's not just like getting another job or even govt financial assistance.

Farmers entire lives are based on farming. Even if they were given other opportunities the changes in their everyday living would be too much.

Work many jobs you go to work and then home. If you change jobs maybe you might have to move but most times you do when not working will be the same.

This may be why you see more suicides in this area.

MuseRider

(34,142 posts)
6. Apparently.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 06:00 PM
Jun 2018

Around here every corn crop is so uniform it is unreal. Soybeans as well. Everything is Round Up Ready and when everything dies for whatever reason, drought or glut, more and more move on and more and more land becomes uniform and poison.

It is hard out here in the best of times and I am a small timer.

alwaysinasnit

(5,085 posts)
9. From everything I've read...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 06:06 PM
Jun 2018

Every time a farm bill comes up in Congress, the deck keeps getting more and more stacked against small farmers, making it nearly impossible to eke out a living. And when eking out a living no longer works, I imagine that suicide becomes more attractive for some.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
26. Soul deadening (R)
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:00 AM
Jun 2018

this uniform GMO-chemical crap deadens the soul eventually, in combo with all the other factors. Then comes the suicide wave...

MuseRider

(34,142 posts)
31. The weather added to all that
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:17 AM
Jun 2018

and it is no surprise. We are going to hit 101 this week, in June. We had 103 in May as a heat index. Where I am we are a bit dry but the wheat crops are devastated, so many farmers lost everything or nearly in the West. When you have to buy everything all over again every year these crop devastating years become life devastating.

MuseRider

(34,142 posts)
39. You have been getting lots
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:26 PM
Jun 2018

I think I recall. Good for you! I had to be in another city today, MIL in ICU but doing fair. I looked on my phone for my local weather, well it was an index of 108 today but the temp at that time was only 92. It is going to be 102 tomorrow for the temp and the index looks to be even higher. My crop is already ruined, I grow brome hay and it is so short there are acres that will probably not even cut for bales. I guess it will not be any worse if it turns brown in the field. I have never seen that. Through all the big and little droughts I have never seen the brome turn brown in the field before it gets cut.

Like I said, I am a small timer with only 53 acres with some woods and some nice but getting smaller ponds. One crop and it was here when I bought the place. Now if I can just keep my goats and ancient horses alive in this I will just stop caring about my poor crop. My neighbor got less that 1/3 of what she got last year. Hope I can feed everyone on that.

Sending good wishes that your crops remain healthy and hopes for a good harvest.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,121 posts)
16. Hell, I've been living on the same income level OR LESS for the past 20 years...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 06:54 PM
Jun 2018

I adjusted. Suicide is stupid. No matter how bad things look.

MuseRider

(34,142 posts)
25. BUT...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:55 AM
Jun 2018

do you have to pay your employer for your job? Farmers have to pay for seed every year now, then they have to pay for fertilizer, then they have to pay for the weed killers since they can't really farm the new seed like the old seed. They have to buy their own equipment, even when they do it as a co-op with the other nearby farmers and those things cost more than many people spend on a house. Upkeep is incredibly expensive too.

Just a point, I am not trying to argue about this at all. I understand what you are saying.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,121 posts)
29. And yes, since I am self employed...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:13 AM
Jun 2018

I have to pay for everything that creates my income.

And I appreciate that we are not arguing. I was just making the point that a LOT of people are living on the edge and DON'T commit suicide. Those that are contemplating it need help.

MuseRider

(34,142 posts)
33. Thank you for telling me that
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:24 AM
Jun 2018

I did not know. My father was a self employed man who ended up employing people. We liked to starve some years because for some reason he feared the unions but kept pace with them so he could keep his people. Some years were mighty slim for us because of that. You could not talk about that to him, he was dead set. I have no idea how he voted since those things were never discussed.

The wheat crops are almost a loss this year, for many they are. You just cannot pay that much money every year when you lose. Even one year creates life altering changes for people who have a generational farm that they end up losing.

To me it is sad, I don't care who they voted for. This has been in the works for years with at least 16 years of Democrats in the presidency and enough in the legislature to have stopped this or at least altered it so it was not like this. Why do some Republicans vote against their own states farmers? Agribusiness. You cannot win with a small family farm for very many bad years with that.

I wish you years of gains and success. Much luck to you.

roamer65

(36,748 posts)
24. Just wait until this fall when they take their crops to grain elevators to sell.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:58 PM
Jun 2018

I highly suspect many grain companies will not want their crops as they will have no market for them.

That’s when they will really start killing themselves...or even worse...”go postal”.

If they do sell, it will be half the market price then their crop will immediately be shipped to Canada and remarketed at full price to the Chinese.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
27. I fear that our older citizens are going to be adding to that grim trend
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:06 AM
Jun 2018

when they realize that the Republicans have taken away their health benefits and that they are going to die earlier as a result.

That tax bill will eventually cause the unnecessary deaths of millions of Americans.

lapucelle

(18,418 posts)
28. Here in NY it's taxi owners.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:21 AM
Jun 2018

Uber killed the business. My dad made his living driving a big yellow checker. We lived in a nice house in a leafy borough, and my mom didn't need to work. We went on vacations, my parents paid for college and weddings, and when it was time to retire, my dad sold his medallion and my folks used the proceeds as their nest egg.

https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/after-6th-suicide-cabbies-call-city-hall-stop-deaths

MuseRider

(34,142 posts)
34. Good god that is sad.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:29 AM
Jun 2018

I have a son who drives Uber because there is little else available to him right now. The wave of the future I guess. This is so sad. I am not adjusting well to these changes.

I spoke of my father above, we had all that too but nearly starved some years but we still had all that and 2 cars. The hard years, the slim ones were always made up for the next year and with care you could do the whole middle class thing.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
35. Yes, I read about the increase in taxi driver suicide. Horrible.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jun 2018

I do not care who anyone voted for when it comes to this topic, and it saddens (horrifies) me that some think that is a-ok to think otherwise.

MuseRider

(34,142 posts)
40. There are many things
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:29 PM
Jun 2018

these days that I read here and other places that sadden and horrify me. I think I may have outlived my purpose whatever that was.

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