His numbers went up during the election because it was Republicans coming home to there nominee.


They were always gong to vote for them.


But when you talk about the idiots on the far left the sheer inability to tell the difference between an imperfect friend and a deadly enemy will end up killing us.

I typed it over and over again during the election. If trump & the repubs win, the Supreme Court will be extreme right for decades. Thanks alot you ignorant left leaners.

But it will affect millions and millions of Americans. I hope all the purity people enjoy the dark ages, cause that is where we are headed now. As a gay man, I wonder if my partner of 22 years and i will be allowed to live once Trump gets his dream court. Oh well, it doesn't affect jill and susan.

granted is now at risk

and those that they duped to not voting or voting third party will also pay the consequences of their garbage

The 2015 marriage equality decision impacted all inheritance rigjts and social security benefits. Untangling that decision, I fear, will give the financial oligarchs so much motivation to do do.

these programs along the lines of you older people can keep
yours but you younger people really won't need it because
Wall Street and the big banks will take good care of you. Besides,
self-responsibility and all that blah, blah.

the mind set, I got mind so I don't care what happens to the younger generation

The vested interests have so far managed to keep the US in some pretty select company - the group of nations that don't have single payer, universal health care. Somehow, they have managed to convince enough people that the US is in no position to achieve what illustrious countries like Gabon, the Maldives and Pakistan have managed to achieve. On its face, it's pretty pathetic. Look behind the facade a little, and it's downright evil.

But, hey...if you aren't going to have health care as you head into old age, why bother dragging the whole exercise out by eking along in a pension for a decade or two?

This is insanity.

(I was going to interject "Fuck me" into this at one point, but I think "Fuck THEM" is far more appropriate.)

Susan Sarandon? Simple stupidity?

Sarandon makes me sick.

When they overturn legal and safe abortions, she'll whine, but she already helped make them illegal.

will just jump on their fucking Gulfstreams and fly to Europe. Like they always fucking have.

"Weeeeeeeelllll, folks, anyone Trump picks will be better than MERRICK GARLAND!!!!!!"

Thanks a heap, Anthony Kennedy. You couldn't have held out for even one more year? Shirking your patriotic duty again, 'eh? Distinguished member of the IGMFU Club ("I Got Mine, F-U" ).

You can't blame any of those two, the blame has to fall on the voters, they are the ones who are in the obligation to stop believing their TV talking heads, to do their due diligence and not vote for idiots.

If people don't get engaged and try to learn about the people who are running for office this madness will continue. For people to constantly believe that it is the previous Democratic administration's fault without looking at the facts is none of those two women's fault, it is the voters fault.

We need people to become more engaged, do their research before they choose candidates.

How is it that people still believe the man-child? Doesn't 25 million fee for fraud on his university, the fact that he bragged about grabbing pussy enough? Just those two should have disqualified him, but there you go...

Like the "Biker for trump" who was interviewed and said "harley davidson bikers are the most patriotic people in the world"...patriotism means wanting to know the truth about things that may affect your country, voting for the people who will fight for your rights, not take them away, who are not interested in enriching themselves by putting your tax dollars in their pocket, people who tell the truth, etc.

Anyway...you all know the rest.

They both used their platforms to trash Hillary and tell people not to vote for her saying she was the same as Donnie. I CAN blame them for being short sighted, lying pieces of trash. If I ever see either of them in public, what happened to that feckless c*nt in that Mexican restaurant will be a party in comparison.

I just hope that people finally realize that elections have consequences. The age and health conditions of the SC justices were known before. What was at stake and the kind of person Trump is was known 100%. Yet, to make a point, they'd rather see the country burn down. Or just to feel special to support a third party candidate that has no chance in hell to even come close to winning a single state.

It's pretty realistic that Trump's first term will shift the balance to a 6:3 with Roberts as the most sensible judge on the right. Congratulations. And despite all that, we still see the same shit from the same arsonists of 2016.

Pointless, useless, silly. I guess it makes the op feel cool though.

I guess they are the ones who will continue changing the channel at the oil change place, turning magazines around at the grocery...brave, intrepid folk.

healthcare, civil rights, abortion rights, etc. in the meantime


It took a hundred years after the Civil War for the Civil Rights Act to happen


This is not about discouraging anybody, it is stating the most probable outcome

women's rights, voting rights, etc. for decades to come.

Don't start the nonesense that the Civil War wasn't about slavery. It sure was. Lincoln's
priority was to preserve the union, but he opposed slavery, and in fact the Articles of Confederation were very clear about the preservation of slavery.

The emancipation proclamation made it very clear Lincoln's position on slavery, among other things

and once Kennedy is replaced, I can see the Constitutionality of Mueller being argued before the SC

to mean that you thought he didn't care about slavery. He certainly did care about slavery, and was against it

But the Kochs et al don't have to worry, there won't be enough
fight much less a war from today's americans.

“You see, the Democrats nominating Hillary Clinton caused people to vote for Trump.”

We are living in a banana republic. The oh-so-pure self-appointed keepers of the flame helped take us there like the NRA and the National Right To Life Committee.

I could give a rats ass about the last election.

I voted for Bernie

I voted for Hillary

And in the remaining primaries I'm voting for the most Progressive Democratic candidate I can get.

They are desperately needed now, more than ever.

And if my Progressive primary candidate, loses to a Democrat who is not Progressive.

I will vote for who ever that is in the Mid Term.

It's bad now I know.

But nothing more energizes the fucking nutcases on the right than despair on the left.

It's like, they would throw gas on their own burning home, just to upset a Democrat.

They thrive on our grief, not on reality

The 'what if' we need to worry about is, 'what if we don't vote'

Vote for a civil society.

In fighting is something we cannot afford.

and does not further the stated goal of this site. Can we stop with the 'screw you if you didn't vote for the nominee" threads?

And who most wants us to be distracted from solving present problems? One guess. Perhaps that sheds some light on the origin of the posts.

vote for Democrats, so f**k them

since we're thanking people let's not forget a special thank you to comey

Screw her and the jackpine radicals.

We now face Armageddon and we need all hands on deck. Yes, even the Jill Stein voters.

Rights Act became law.

it's not "over" yet. Only when the last intellectual/warrior/thinking person with empathy, compassion and conscience, dies in an extermination camp. Just joking,,,,,, hasn't hit the iceberg yet. BUT definitely seaming toward it. Sorry I forgot, I agree about those prominent trump supporters.

if Ms Clinton had won?

See if you can follow me here. It would have still been a close election based on the popular vote. Millions of the same despicables would have been frothing at the mouth as to how "they was robbed". Donnie O would have started up what he really wanted, dRump TV complete with 24/7 "Crooked Hilary". Benghazi, Clinton Foundation, stolen election, etc. etc. The Congress would have still been in the hands of the republicans and the country could well have been even closer to the edge of civil war because every nut job dRump supporter would have been sure that their hero had been ripped off and cheated out of victory.

Regardless of what you think of Ms Clinton, she had a bullseye painted on her back by the slime on the right. Once our choices were limited to her and Donnie O our nation was in deep shit regardless of the outcome.

My point is, only those of you who are totally deluded can think that there was a good way out of the election of 2016 so rather than railing at those who kept Ms Clinton from winning perhaps we should be focused on what can be done to hold things together until we get the best possible outcome in 2018.

Keep the faith, keep working, get active, and GET OUT THE VOTE!!

another Gorsuch or worse, and the probability that there will be even one more SC pick before 2020 is pretty high.

The SC can change everything

how would any of Ms Clinton's nominees been approved?

Given the gridlock that her presidency would have faced for the two years running up to the midterms the republican majorities in both Houses could have reached a point where they could have overridden anything she attempted to accomplish. Then another 2 years of everything bad that happened being blamed on her and total inaction on the part of the government and the 2020 election could have brought an even worse situation. Someone with the agenda of Pence but the personality of a Reagan and a Congress so packed with republicans that any evil agenda would have sailed through regardless of the SC.

Sorry but once the republicans allowed Donnie O to receive the nomination and the democratic party forced Ms Clinton's nomination on the country we were severely screwed regardless of the outcome.

They could not have blocked the Senate for four entire years. It was unconscionable that they did it to Obama as long as they did.

No. Hillary's life in the white house would have been hell. But the rest of us would have fared much better.

Let's see. At least two SC justices. No stupid travel ban. No separation of immigrant families. No backing out of the Iran deal. No trade war. Oh. And a hefty war against russian election hacking.

Yeah. I don't think it was a good thing that trump was elected.

First, I agree with Jakes Progess in #92 that McConnell couldn't have succeeded in keeping the seat open for an additional four years. If he even tried, enough members of his caucus would have told him that he was endangering their re-elections.

Second, even if you assume a vacant seat, a 4-4 Supreme Court vote leaves in place the decision appealed from. Some of the recent bad 5-4 decisions have been reversals of good decisions. Those reversals wouldn't have happened.

Third, the issue of the judiciary goes beyond the Supreme Court. Trump has gotten lots of right-wing judges confirmed to the lower courts. Clinton wouldn't have appointed those people.

As if having Hillary hounded by the right while in the White House is just as bad as what we are going through now.




The fact is, Hillary would be a magnificent president.
Healthcare rates would not be skyrocketing because she would have shored up the ACA instead of destroying it. The economy would be humming along even better with no looming trade war tanking stocks. With the country's economy doing fine, people don't care what the right is outraged about, as we learned from the Lewinsky affair. Her poll numbers would be fine. And right now we'd have a 5-4 liberal majority on the Supreme Court under Chief Justice Merrick Garland, going to 6-3 with the retirement of Kennedy in July. And we would be popping champagne corks.

But no. We are contemplating what country to move to instead.

Stein nuts and the rest of the assorted idiots who didn't vote for Hillary were duped by Putin or depressed by what they heard from Comey, thinking Hillary would be indicted.

So here we are, the victims of the dumbest and most gullible among us, being blamed for their stupidity because we couldn't make them vote like adults.

And not just because of the Supreme Court. Every other thing Trump has done would not have been done.

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It's just what Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is! She can barely contain her excitement at the horrors that await us. (She's beyond child-bearing years, so what the fuck does she care about Roe v Wade anyway? Even then, in the unlikely event she got pregnant, she can afford to travel anywhere for an abortion.)



"But, hey, no matter! What the hell... hang tight. Be patient. The "revolution" is about the begin... any minute now... just wait. It's coming. Right around the corner. Hang on. Just be patient. It's almost here. The revolution. Trust me... it's coming."

Is push back against the memes , false equivocations and lies they pushed.

The problem is not Susan Sarandon herself. Susan is allowed to have stupid opinions and I think her influence is overstated. Susan didn't create the memes she pushed. At this point she is probably flattered by all the attention.

So it is how we treat with the stupidity that needs to change. People calling themselves "progressive" behaved like fifth columnists when they repeated GOP memes, false equivocations, lies and general nonsense in 2016. Some of them are still doing this bullshit because Fifth columnists are engaged in a dominance game, they don't give a fuck about anything else.
However, the focus has to be on countering their memes:

Push back against rhetoric that says both parties are the same - bothsidism bullshit is half the reason we're in this mess.
Push back against rhetoric that slanders strong Democrats.
Push back against historical revisionism and people gaslighting about the dynamics of the election in 2016

only lukewarm support for Hillary, also need to take a good look in the mirror.

Expect it! The Trump guys are going to take the US out.

But for him, Gore would have been POTUS and no Roberts & Alito.

And drowning out the message from Elijah Cummings
http://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/congresswoman-after-being-booed-i-want-you-to-be-respectful-of-me/2016/07/25/75c2f1c8-52aa-11e6-b652-315ae5d4d4dd_video.html

and blame distributions. I allowed myself a couple hours earlier. I went all in, but then I had to stop it lest I get stuck there which I can do way too easily. Since I cannot now, or have I ever been able to, control what others think or do...I am once again left with my own behavior as the only behavior I can control. If it’s “their” fault, I’m fucked. So, I resist, I speak out, I stand up, I use art because they hate it. I use irony and humor because it confuses them. I try to act like they don’t, so I ask myself, how AM I gonna act?

we need to move on, gather all the support we can. Infighting will just get us 4 more years of fascism.

I don't think elections are going to get us out of this mess.
and this:

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.... For all you "purists," who got their panties in a wad over Hillary (I didn't support her in the Primary, but I sure TF didn't throw away my GE vote): YOU own Trump, YOU own Neil Gosuck, YOU own Gosuck II, and YOU own 20 years of legal wilderness, including complete outlawing of abortion! Now, please go back to your cat videos. and find another site to cry on!

be less agitated

GOT IT?

republicans control of the WH and Congress

You are savey, I don't need to tell you how serious this is

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Please baby JESUS. Can we just MOVE ON?

Good GRIEF!

of Kennedy's retirement. These rethug cheaters want us to be civil as they steal another Supreme Court seat. It does feel like it's over.

I don't think there's a bright side, but maybe there's some procedure we haven't heard of yet? And, yes...Fuck Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon as well, their mission is complete.

just create the delay we need

At least we could then move forward together to try to fix this mess.

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the 1% of the votes that went to Jill Stein made all the difference in the world.

Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass Sirota and look at the actual final tabulation, and of course you conveniently ignore the lies and misinformation that was spewed all over the social media sites and media about Hillary, or the release of the memo by Comey 11 days before the election.

They were all willing participants in this bullshit, and actually WANTED HILLARY TO LOSE

What a jerk, but I have no doubt he will get more hits because of this on his site from a certain demographic

oh, and by the way Shirota, in case you weren't aware, EVERY Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican, and those Democrats were liberal by any standard.

Maybe candidates would get wider margins if they figured out what the people who voted for someone else wanted and politely tell their big donors they can't dictate policy on that issue because they need more votes to win.

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