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applegrove

(118,974 posts)
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:15 PM Jun 2018

The death of the American middle class has brought department stores down with it

Mary Hanbury at Business Insider

http://www.businessinsider.com/american-middle-class-disappearing-department-stores-suffer-2018-6

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Experts say that the recent closing of Bon-Ton and ongoing struggles of department stores are linked to the death of the middle class in the United States.

As the middle class has shrunk, high-end and budget stores have become the most successful areas of the retail sector.

According to a Deloitte study, revenues have grown 81% and 37% at high-end and budget stores, respectively, in the last five years. Meanwhile, stores in the middle range have seen a 2% increase in sales.

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The death of the American middle class has brought department stores down with it (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2018 OP
Remember when Sears was the "All-American", invincible brand? bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #1
Many brick and mortar stores are on the endangered species list democratisphere Jun 2018 #5
The correlation seems to prove this point. Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #2
That is one reason, however just like anything else Sherman A1 Jun 2018 #3
Oh yes. All those are factors too. applegrove Jun 2018 #4
Some of them autocorrelate to the middle class failing like applegrove Jun 2018 #9
people don't get "dressed up" as much these days JI7 Jun 2018 #6
I have to say part of the problem is the buyers MountCleaners Jun 2018 #7
90% of my nearby mall is clothing Blue_Adept Jun 2018 #8
I don't know how many times I have complimented someone on their clothing smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #10

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
5. Many brick and mortar stores are on the endangered species list
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:52 AM
Jun 2018

while many are headed toward extinction. The American middle class continues to be under siege by the wealthiest and the drumpf deplorables that are too stupid to know when they are being royally screwed.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. The correlation seems to prove this point.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:22 PM
Jun 2018

The One to watch is WalMart in the next Business quarter. Looking more and more they are about to report some bad numbers both sales and profits.

Their Parking lots have been pretty empty other than the first of the month. BTW,here in Vegas,I believe there will be only C-Stores and possible one Regular Grocrey Store that will be open 24/7 after next week.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
3. That is one reason, however just like anything else
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:29 PM
Jun 2018

There is always more than one reason. Aging Baby Boom Generation who simply don’t need more stuff, technology changes, management mistakes and short sightedness, hedge fund buyouts, young people loaded with student debts, decades of stagnant wages, the Amazon factor and likely many that I certainly missed.

applegrove

(118,974 posts)
9. Some of them autocorrelate to the middle class failing like
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jun 2018

technology changes, management shortsightedness, hedge funds, young people loaded with student debt, decades of stagnant wages and Amazon all affect middle class wages down.

JI7

(89,292 posts)
6. people don't get "dressed up" as much these days
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:06 AM
Jun 2018

even jeans which are a casual clothing item aren't worn as much because a lot of people just wear comfortable things like leggings, yoga pants etc.

it's one reason the high end very expensive jeans went out of business. it was a short term trend with jeans a hundred dollars and rising but didn't last.

many jobs will allow more casual wear and with changes in technology people can work from home at times also.

and places like Target actually have some nice clothes which don't cost much. and they get designers to do special lines for the store which are affordable compared to their usual stuff.

also many department stores started to sell a bunch of crappy things . stores didn't look as nice anymore .

i think they could maybe improve if they make some changes and do a few things like they use to do in the old days. i would say service would be a big thing but it would involve hiring more people and they probably don't want to do that.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
7. I have to say part of the problem is the buyers
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:51 AM
Jun 2018

I live near a dying mall, and all you have to do is look around at the product and see why it is dying. They seem to think that the customers are stupid. For example, the only department stores left sell a lot of cheap-looking matronly clothes with ugly patterns. I wouldn't wear any of it. Older people don't wear pink and purple "old people" clothes like they used to. Hell, my ninety-something grandmother dressed better than that.

And for the younger people, a lot of the stuff shows too much skin and has a lot of glitter and sparkly stuff on it. Not exactly stuff you can wear to work or to a nice dinner or church or whatever.

These stores have serious problems with their buyers.

Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
8. 90% of my nearby mall is clothing
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:07 AM
Jun 2018

And I don't think it even appeals much to teens like that used to either.

There's nothing that gets me to go into the mall. It's clothing or style related. Even the restaurants aren't enough to make me want to go there since I know they're higher priced than the standalone versions elsewhere in the area.

I used to love going to the mall. There'd be a bunch of different places I'd go and get things from. The only reason I'm there now is because the movie theater is attached to it. And that doesn't get me into the mall itself.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
10. I don't know how many times I have complimented someone on their clothing
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:00 PM
Jun 2018

or jewelry and they say "Thanks! I got it at Target." And a lot of them are people who can afford to pay higher prices for clothing and accessories. People are becoming "value" shoppers. They won't pay top dollar for cheap, poorly made junk anymore.

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