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genxlib

(5,547 posts)
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:37 AM Jun 2018

Learning the Lesson: Party Do-or-Die

Much has been written about our inability to support a Democratic candidate to defeat the worst Republican in history.

This thread isn't about that.

This is about the lesson that the GOP learned this week.

I have a very close friend who is what you would call a classic conservative. He was heartbroken that his party nominated Trump. He promised me he would never vote for them. In the aftermath of the election, he admitted that he caved and voted Trump.

I am sure that he has had many days in the intervening time where he regretted that vote. Yesterday wasn't one of them. With the perspective of a generational change in an entire branch of Government at stake, I am sure all of the chaos and bluster just seems like political noise to him now.

And so it goes for all of those reluctant Trump voters. Regardless of how much they had to hold their nose, they sure feel like they came out smelling like a rose now. Likewise for the regretful Trump voters. I am sure they feel a lot better about that vote now.

And it won't end there. The political battle to seat this justice will be ugly but ultimately successful. In the process, the GOP will learn to appreciate bad GOP Senators more than ever. The likes of Roy Moore, Todd Akin and Sharon Angle will suddenly start to look like a better bargain to them. This becomes a huge rallying point for the GOP to become even more tribal regardless of who they put forward.

Nothing cements bad behavior like positive reward. This week, the GOP learned that voting for their guy (do-or-die) gets them the big ticket prize at the carnival. We can't expect them to become more reasonable now. Why should they when they are getting what they want.

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Learning the Lesson: Party Do-or-Die (Original Post) genxlib Jun 2018 OP
"do or die" they say to each other as a rally cry for unity FM123 Jun 2018 #1
"Nothing cements bad behavior like positive reward" vi5 Jun 2018 #2
I agree wholeheartedly genxlib Jun 2018 #3
"our policies are popular" vi5 Jun 2018 #4
Preach genxlib Jun 2018 #5

FM123

(10,054 posts)
1. "do or die" they say to each other as a rally cry for unity
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:57 AM
Jun 2018

and then like a gun they turn the same words on us "do or die" as they threaten to kill our democracy.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
2. "Nothing cements bad behavior like positive reward"
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:12 AM
Jun 2018

I agree with this all and don't dispute it. But we also need to make sure our Democratic leaders and elected officials know this too. Because it seems like they are not keeping this in mind when dealing with Republicans, and 25+ years of that obliviousness is just as big a part of why we are in this mess. Not only do Republicans see their weakness and take advantage of it, voters see it too and react to it.

Our first priority needs to be regaining control at all costs. But once we have it again I hope we have a batch of Democrats that know what's at stake, learn from the mistakes of the past, and fight for this stuff like it matters rather than trying to play nice or reach across the aisle or worry about whether they are being civil or tarnishing their legacy.

What we do after we get control matters as much as getting that control. Since the approach our folks in charge have taken up until this point have proven to be so tenuous and weak that it could all be undone in such a short period of time should prove to them that our actions need to be stronger and more decisive and that they need to get out there and sell them and stand up and be strong.

Honestly, as far as Democrats go at this point I'm less concerned with whether they are moderate or liberal and more concerned with whether they are weak and cowardly or strong and brave.

genxlib

(5,547 posts)
3. I agree wholeheartedly
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:32 AM
Jun 2018

But I am not sure it is in our DNA. We are, by nature, inclusive and fair minded. They are, by nature, authoritarian and tribal.

Furthermore, we have the distinct disadvantage of actually caring about the Constitution and Government Institutions. Trump has shown that none of that matters in the pursuit of "winning".

The only thing we do have going for us is that our policies are actually popular. Unfortunately, people will need to start seeing the damage done before they realize that they have done this to themselves. I often used to tell Conservatives and Libertarians that they should be grateful that they don't actually have to live in the world that they strive for. That is about to change.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
4. "our policies are popular"
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:12 AM
Jun 2018

Which is exactly why our politicians and leaders need to get out there and point this out and sell them and everything else. They've spent too long sitting back and expecting that the media was going to do it's job and that's not happening. They've also spent too long listening to the media tell them these things aren't popular, and believing it.

Politics is hard. Leading is hard. And too often I feel like the leaders on our side don't want to actually do that work. They don't need to be authoritarian. They don't need to be non-inclusive. They just need to stand up for what they are supposed to believe in.

It makes it harder for our politicians and leaders to convince people to stand up for them when they won't even stand up for themselves.

A prime example is Pelosi downplaying Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's win as being just the result of specific regional demographics. Why? What the fuck did that accomplish and who did she hope to win over by belittling that woman and her historic victory? Rather than just saying "Yes, in that district as in all around the country people are energized by youth involvement, grass roots efforts and united in the Democratic party's efforts at opposing Donald Trump and the unpopular Republican agenda ."she hems and haws and tries to make sure that this doesn't mean that the party is going to be too liberal or too socialist.

Or Schumer chastising Maxine Waters. Rather than just saying what he said about Trump and the Republicans setting the tone and everything else he said that was fine, he had to add that he didn't agree with Waters. Again....why? Who was the audience for that? The beltway fainting couch crowd in the media?

I mean I am a lifetime, party ticket voting Democratic party loyalist since the 80's and I will be until I die. But when I see bullshit like that from our 2 most powerful Democrats, it makes me slap my head in anger and embarrassment. How must someone with no loyalty to the party but who hates Trump and wants fighters in their corner feel about that?

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