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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen I came home last night after Kennedy's SC announcement, do you know what I saw?
People working out at the gym.
People watching a ballgame at the local bar.
People having dinner at the restaurant down the street.
The bottom line to think about is: the average voter, even in a safe Blue State, isn't thinking about the SC as an issue. And when we campaign in the run-up to the Election, we have to frame our message to what they DO care about (hint: they also aren't fixated on impeachment either). That doesn't mean we cave on Trump's nominee; it means we have to make our message relevant to the voters we have.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:01 AM - Edit history (1)
It should be.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)Politicians come and go, SCOTUS services for LIFE!
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)themselves progressive and/or Democratic.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)That it would be an issue for all Democrats.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)get the red out
(13,468 posts)I just don't get some people's thinking.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)I don't understand either...and if I have to hear about the New York house seat one more time, I will throw up...still worried about pure ideology and not understanding that it is meaningless now. The house is on fire...now is the time to flip GOP seats to Democratic seats.. not waste money getting the perfect Democrat candidate by wasting money primarying sitting Democrats instead of going after Republicans. We need warm bodies...a 50 state strategy and a big tent is the only way.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)are easy to steal. I was ridiculed at even here for desperately trying to get people to realize the significance of the courts...they refused to listen...the emails don't you know.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)Is incredibly arrogant, other people's lives don't matter so long as they get to whine and do their little protest vote BS.
Demsrule86
(68,825 posts)spooky3
(34,531 posts)To make it important for our side and independents, then drive that message home.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...unfortunately, it seems this has not been a Democratic Party issue, at least not like it has been a Republican issue. When women's health and reproductive rights are taken away, maybe enough will stand up and say NO MORE!
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,831 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)But I think that's because they are eager to reverse things from the status quo. Turn back marriage equality, turn back the ACA, reproductive rights etc. They realize that it's harder to turn those things back via legislation.
Amishman
(5,559 posts)They want to turn back the clock on marriage equality, reproductive rights, and other social issues. A lot of them are old enough to remember the bad old days and want them back
ck4829
(35,096 posts)But that's because I was spending precious time with my nephew who has a rare disease... one of the people who don't matter in the right wing's world.
We need to appeal to the people who are not OK with and are going to be definitely affected by the fascism rising in our country.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,514 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)We DO need to wake up those who would support Democrats if they knew WHAT THE FUCK WAS REALLY HAPPENING !!!
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)That is the critical national battle.
We are fierce here and on political sites and social media and marches.
Millions arent.
My workplace is a prime example of the blinders still being worn when it comes to politics.
Way tooo many of the hundreds of people who come through our doors on a given day Do Not give a visible or verbal concern about politics. With few exceptions it doesnt even register in their living spaces.
I am one of a few who ever even mention the threats and outrages of this administration.
Even giving the plausibility that it is not exactly the correct place to be voicing beliefs but serving other community needs, my younger coworkers often are oblivious to what is even transpiring on a general basis.
That is our bottom line battle.
ismnotwasm
(42,028 posts)Im sitting in the twilight zone, holding it together when the Janus decision came down before the resignation announcement.I noticed mostly a big meh and discussions about yards and vacations
pstokely
(10,541 posts)if the pukes weren't punished in 2016, could the Dems not be punished if they mount some kind of challenge since the SCOTUS is not the most important issue for the average voter?
mainer
(12,037 posts)I'm going out to dinner with friends tonight. We'll probably spend the whole night bellyaching about the Supreme Court. (My friends are near-neighbors to Justice John Roberts's summer house. They always like to point out that their dinghy is tied up "on the FAR LEFT of Roberts."
Demovictory9
(32,498 posts)Cosmocat
(14,589 posts)people forwarding absurd right wing memes as our team forwarding actual reality and fact based information.
I am not knocking our 1/3, I am saying that the "middle" is the problem, this country is simply dumb as fuck.
We are SCREAMING because they are coming after SS and Medicare, and the average american can't even bother to care because of their choice of cultural division ... Guns, abortion, gays, PC ... Whatever.
DeminPennswoods
(15,299 posts)not really caring one way or the other about Kennedy retiring and what impact that might ultimately have on their daily life.
Presumably that's why Dems seem to have settled on a strategy of making the open seat about women - the most energized part of the current electorate - their reproductive and other rights.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They know very well about this S.Ct. issue and what it means. Fox is telling them.
Why shouldn't they go to the gym? All is right with the world, in their view. The country is set on a far-right agenda for decades to come. This makes the Mueller investigation impotent. The Republican politicians will fall in line. All is right with their world.
Dems may also be going to the gym....to work through their angst.
Anyone who doesn't know what's going on, even in broad strokes, is not someone who will be persuaded with logical arguments. Either they don't vote, or they vote straight party & don't pay attention to the daily battles.
I have Trumpers in my family. I have no doubt they are rejoicing. Thinking even that God has ordained this. Has rubber stamped their thinking. All is right with the world, for them, I'm sure.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)First is the anti-choice crowd. They always focus on SCOTUS. More rabidly than most pro-choice people do.
Second is 2nd Amendment issues. The pro-gun crowd is very, very focused on making sure Heller isnt overturned and that future cases that hit the court go their way. While most of the pro gun control crowd is very less focused on it to that degree.
Its a matter of how committed to the issue people are. You can find polls saying more people believe X over Y, but if the people believing Y are more dedicated they have more influence in that way.
FakeNoose
(32,917 posts)... which has probably done more to destroy our democracy than anything else.
If it weren't for Citizens United, there wouldn't be so much f*cking money pouring into the RNC from the NRA, the Koch Brothers, Peter Thiel, Rupert Murdoch and every other goddamn rich asshole with an ax to grind. Also there wouldn't have been a way to funnel the laundered blood-money from the Russians into the RNC like they did in 2016.
Thank you Supreme Court for fucking us over so well and often!
bucolic_frolic
(43,511 posts)Personal finance and security issues. Deregulation makes us more vulnerable - at work, at the bank, at home, at play.
And if they want to deregulate, why do they regulate our bodies and health care?
olegramps
(8,200 posts)elleng
(131,418 posts)be a startling suggestion.
Framing the issues: UC Berkeley professor George Lakoff tells how conservatives use language to dominate politics.
https://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml
leftstreet
(36,119 posts)snips
The conservative worldview, the strict father model, assumes that the world is dangerous and difficult and that children are born bad and must be made good. The strict father is the moral authority who supports and defends the family, tells his wife what to do, and teaches his kids right from wrong. The only way to do that is through painful discipline - physical punishment that by adulthood will become internal discipline. The good people are the disciplined people. Once grown, the self-reliant, disciplined children are on their own. Those children who remain dependent (who were spoiled, overly willful, or recalcitrant) should be forced to undergo further discipline or be cut free with no support to face the discipline of the outside world.
So, project this onto the nation and you see that to the right wing, the good citizens are the disciplined ones - those who have already become wealthy or at least self-reliant - and those who are on the way. Social programs, meanwhile, "spoil" people by giving them things they haven't earned and keeping them dependent...
Thanks for posting that link
elleng
(131,418 posts)I'm spreading it around today. Dems have ignored his approach and teachings for a long time.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)That is what Trump want us to do. Our candidates that have a laser focus on local issues are and have done well all over the country. What we need to do is get people registered to vote and then keep them informed about local and state candidates any the issues important to them. When we vote, we will, regardless of how riled up deplorables are.
CrispyQ
(36,567 posts)I don't know who said that, but I read it about a year ago. Other than voting & expressing my outrage, I don't know what to do.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)So, I guess that means there isn't anything people care about. Or are you trying to say that people only care about eating at restaurants, watching sports and going to the gym? And that the Democratic message should center around those things?