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brooklynite

(95,012 posts)
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:00 AM Jun 2018

When I came home last night after Kennedy's SC announcement, do you know what I saw?

People working out at the gym.

People watching a ballgame at the local bar.

People having dinner at the restaurant down the street.

The bottom line to think about is: the average voter, even in a safe Blue State, isn't thinking about the SC as an issue. And when we campaign in the run-up to the Election, we have to frame our message to what they DO care about (hint: they also aren't fixated on impeachment either). That doesn't mean we cave on Trump's nominee; it means we have to make our message relevant to the voters we have.

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When I came home last night after Kennedy's SC announcement, do you know what I saw? (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2018 OP
Agree ...SCOTUS isn't a voting issue for many. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #1
It's always been my #1 issue get the red out Jun 2018 #8
It is mine also...but clearly after 14 and 16, it is not a voting issue even for many who call Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #9
Boggles the mind get the red out Jun 2018 #10
I would have thought so...but go back and read the old posts. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #12
Oh I believe you get the red out Jun 2018 #15
I am with you on this. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #19
if most Democrats thought this way, Trump would not be sitting in th white house...close elections Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #11
Thinking like that get the red out Jun 2018 #16
Yep...those who suffer are just the casualties of the 'revolution'...for the greater good and all. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #18
It is for the fundies. We just have to determine the message spooky3 Jun 2018 #27
This has been my NUMBER ONE ISSUE for over 30 years... Raster Jun 2018 #35
Couldn't agree with you more. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2018 #2
It did seem to motivate some Republican voters mythology Jun 2018 #3
Given their age and the history on those issues, they are the ones seeking restoration of status quo Amishman Jun 2018 #23
I wasn't at the gym, I don't drink period so no bars, and I wasn't at a restaurant last night ck4829 Jun 2018 #4
Well said! nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2018 #6
I agree. But I think the average voter isn't thinking about anything.... pangaia Jun 2018 #5
While millions resist, just as many are complacent or even apathetic... Guilded Lilly Jun 2018 #7
Yeah I was a work yesterday ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #13
Is there in a red or blue state? pstokely Jun 2018 #14
Just because we go about our daily lives doesn't mean we aren't enraged about it mainer Jun 2018 #17
Yes. Many are aware and care Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #31
I have cut out 90% of the right wingers on my Facebook feed, and I still have about as many people Cosmocat Jun 2018 #20
You're right, people are out living their lives DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #21
The politically minded are. Trumpers are. Fox is spreading the talking points. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #22
It tends to motivate the right because of two issues Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #24
Don't forget the Citizens United ruling of 2015 FakeNoose Jun 2018 #26
We get less when they get more. bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #25
The apathy is not limited to just Supreme Court nominations. If not Trump would be history. olegramps Jun 2018 #28
'make our message relevant to the voters we have' should not elleng Jun 2018 #29
What a great article! Everyone should read it leftstreet Jun 2018 #32
Yes indeed, leftstreet. elleng Jun 2018 #34
I think we make a mistake if we focus on the SC or impeaching Trump. Blue_true Jun 2018 #30
"If you want to know what you would have done in 1930's Germany, you're doing it now." CrispyQ Jun 2018 #33
The same thing you would see on any day that ends in 'y'. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #36

Demsrule86

(68,825 posts)
9. It is mine also...but clearly after 14 and 16, it is not a voting issue even for many who call
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:57 AM
Jun 2018

themselves progressive and/or Democratic.

Demsrule86

(68,825 posts)
19. I am with you on this.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:43 AM
Jun 2018

I don't understand either...and if I have to hear about the New York house seat one more time, I will throw up...still worried about pure ideology and not understanding that it is meaningless now. The house is on fire...now is the time to flip GOP seats to Democratic seats.. not waste money getting the perfect Democrat candidate by wasting money primarying sitting Democrats instead of going after Republicans. We need warm bodies...a 50 state strategy and a big tent is the only way.

Demsrule86

(68,825 posts)
11. if most Democrats thought this way, Trump would not be sitting in th white house...close elections
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:00 AM
Jun 2018

are easy to steal. I was ridiculed at even here for desperately trying to get people to realize the significance of the courts...they refused to listen...the emails don't you know.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
16. Thinking like that
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:20 AM
Jun 2018

Is incredibly arrogant, other people's lives don't matter so long as they get to whine and do their little protest vote BS.

spooky3

(34,531 posts)
27. It is for the fundies. We just have to determine the message
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:56 AM
Jun 2018

To make it important for our side and independents, then drive that message home.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
35. This has been my NUMBER ONE ISSUE for over 30 years...
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 11:21 AM
Jun 2018

...unfortunately, it seems this has not been a Democratic Party issue, at least not like it has been a Republican issue. When women's health and reproductive rights are taken away, maybe enough will stand up and say NO MORE!

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
3. It did seem to motivate some Republican voters
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:07 AM
Jun 2018

But I think that's because they are eager to reverse things from the status quo. Turn back marriage equality, turn back the ACA, reproductive rights etc. They realize that it's harder to turn those things back via legislation.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
23. Given their age and the history on those issues, they are the ones seeking restoration of status quo
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:11 AM
Jun 2018

They want to turn back the clock on marriage equality, reproductive rights, and other social issues. A lot of them are old enough to remember the bad old days and want them back

ck4829

(35,096 posts)
4. I wasn't at the gym, I don't drink period so no bars, and I wasn't at a restaurant last night
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:08 AM
Jun 2018

But that's because I was spending precious time with my nephew who has a rare disease... one of the people who don't matter in the right wing's world.

We need to appeal to the people who are not OK with and are going to be definitely affected by the fascism rising in our country.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
5. I agree. But I think the average voter isn't thinking about anything....
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:11 AM
Jun 2018

We DO need to wake up those who would support Democrats if they knew WHAT THE FUCK WAS REALLY HAPPENING !!!

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
7. While millions resist, just as many are complacent or even apathetic...
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:28 AM
Jun 2018

That is the critical national battle.
We are fierce here and on political sites and social media and marches.
Millions aren’t.

My workplace is a prime example of the blinders still being worn when it comes to politics.
Way tooo many of the hundreds of people who come through our doors on a given day Do Not give a visible or verbal concern about politics. With few exceptions it doesn’t even register in their living spaces.

I am one of a few who ever even mention the threats and outrages of this administration.
Even giving the plausibility that it is not exactly the correct place to be voicing beliefs but serving other community needs, my younger coworkers often are oblivious to what is even transpiring on a general basis.

That is our bottom line battle.


ismnotwasm

(42,028 posts)
13. Yeah I was a work yesterday
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:02 AM
Jun 2018

I’m sitting in the twilight zone, holding it together when the Janus decision came down before the resignation announcement.I noticed mostly a big “meh” and discussions about yards and vacations

pstokely

(10,541 posts)
14. Is there in a red or blue state?
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:16 AM
Jun 2018

if the pukes weren't punished in 2016, could the Dems not be punished if they mount some kind of challenge since the SCOTUS is not the most important issue for the average voter?

mainer

(12,037 posts)
17. Just because we go about our daily lives doesn't mean we aren't enraged about it
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:31 AM
Jun 2018

I'm going out to dinner with friends tonight. We'll probably spend the whole night bellyaching about the Supreme Court. (My friends are near-neighbors to Justice John Roberts's summer house. They always like to point out that their dinghy is tied up "on the FAR LEFT of Roberts.&quot

Cosmocat

(14,589 posts)
20. I have cut out 90% of the right wingers on my Facebook feed, and I still have about as many people
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:03 AM
Jun 2018

people forwarding absurd right wing memes as our team forwarding actual reality and fact based information.

I am not knocking our 1/3, I am saying that the "middle" is the problem, this country is simply dumb as fuck.

We are SCREAMING because they are coming after SS and Medicare, and the average american can't even bother to care because of their choice of cultural division ... Guns, abortion, gays, PC ... Whatever.

DeminPennswoods

(15,299 posts)
21. You're right, people are out living their lives
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:04 AM
Jun 2018

not really caring one way or the other about Kennedy retiring and what impact that might ultimately have on their daily life.

Presumably that's why Dems seem to have settled on a strategy of making the open seat about women - the most energized part of the current electorate - their reproductive and other rights.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. The politically minded are. Trumpers are. Fox is spreading the talking points.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:07 AM
Jun 2018

They know very well about this S.Ct. issue and what it means. Fox is telling them.

Why shouldn't they go to the gym? All is right with the world, in their view. The country is set on a far-right agenda for decades to come. This makes the Mueller investigation impotent. The Republican politicians will fall in line. All is right with their world.

Dems may also be going to the gym....to work through their angst.

Anyone who doesn't know what's going on, even in broad strokes, is not someone who will be persuaded with logical arguments. Either they don't vote, or they vote straight party & don't pay attention to the daily battles.

I have Trumpers in my family. I have no doubt they are rejoicing. Thinking even that God has ordained this. Has rubber stamped their thinking. All is right with the world, for them, I'm sure.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
24. It tends to motivate the right because of two issues
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:26 AM
Jun 2018

First is the anti-choice crowd. They always focus on SCOTUS. More rabidly than most pro-choice people do.

Second is 2nd Amendment issues. The pro-gun crowd is very, very focused on making sure Heller isn’t overturned and that future cases that hit the court go their way. While most of the pro gun control crowd is very less focused on it to that degree.

It’s a matter of how committed to the issue people are. You can find polls saying more people believe X over Y, but if the people believing Y are more dedicated they have more influence in that way.

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
26. Don't forget the Citizens United ruling of 2015
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:55 AM
Jun 2018

... which has probably done more to destroy our democracy than anything else.

If it weren't for Citizens United, there wouldn't be so much f*cking money pouring into the RNC from the NRA, the Koch Brothers, Peter Thiel, Rupert Murdoch and every other goddamn rich asshole with an ax to grind. Also there wouldn't have been a way to funnel the laundered blood-money from the Russians into the RNC like they did in 2016.

Thank you Supreme Court for fucking us over so well and often!

bucolic_frolic

(43,511 posts)
25. We get less when they get more.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:54 AM
Jun 2018

Personal finance and security issues. Deregulation makes us more vulnerable - at work, at the bank, at home, at play.

And if they want to deregulate, why do they regulate our bodies and health care?

elleng

(131,418 posts)
29. 'make our message relevant to the voters we have' should not
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:57 AM
Jun 2018

be a startling suggestion.

Framing the issues: UC Berkeley professor George Lakoff tells how conservatives use language to dominate politics.

https://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml

leftstreet

(36,119 posts)
32. What a great article! Everyone should read it
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 11:10 AM
Jun 2018

snips

Conservatives have spent decades defining their ideas, carefully choosing the language with which to present them, and building an infrastructure to communicate them, says Lakoff.


Well, the progressive worldview is modeled on a nurturant parent family. Briefly, it assumes that the world is basically good and can be made better and that one must work toward that. Children are born good; parents can make them better. Nurturing involves empathy, and the responsibility to take care of oneself and others for whom we are responsible. On a larger scale, specific policies follow, such as governmental protection in form of a social safety net and government regulation, universal education (to ensure competence, fairness), civil liberties and equal treatment (fairness and freedom), accountability (derived from trust), public service (from responsibility), open government (from open communication), and the promotion of an economy that benefits all and functions to promote these values, which are traditional progressive values in American politics.

The conservative worldview, the strict father model, assumes that the world is dangerous and difficult and that children are born bad and must be made good. The strict father is the moral authority who supports and defends the family, tells his wife what to do, and teaches his kids right from wrong. The only way to do that is through painful discipline - physical punishment that by adulthood will become internal discipline. The good people are the disciplined people. Once grown, the self-reliant, disciplined children are on their own. Those children who remain dependent (who were spoiled, overly willful, or recalcitrant) should be forced to undergo further discipline or be cut free with no support to face the discipline of the outside world.

So, project this onto the nation and you see that to the right wing, the good citizens are the disciplined ones - those who have already become wealthy or at least self-reliant - and those who are on the way. Social programs, meanwhile, "spoil" people by giving them things they haven't earned and keeping them dependent...



Thanks for posting that link

elleng

(131,418 posts)
34. Yes indeed, leftstreet.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 11:15 AM
Jun 2018

I'm spreading it around today. Dems have ignored his approach and teachings for a long time.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. I think we make a mistake if we focus on the SC or impeaching Trump.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 11:01 AM
Jun 2018

That is what Trump want us to do. Our candidates that have a laser focus on local issues are and have done well all over the country. What we need to do is get people registered to vote and then keep them informed about local and state candidates any the issues important to them. When we vote, we will, regardless of how riled up deplorables are.

CrispyQ

(36,567 posts)
33. "If you want to know what you would have done in 1930's Germany, you're doing it now."
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 11:13 AM
Jun 2018

I don't know who said that, but I read it about a year ago. Other than voting & expressing my outrage, I don't know what to do.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
36. The same thing you would see on any day that ends in 'y'.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 12:43 PM
Jun 2018

So, I guess that means there isn't anything people care about. Or are you trying to say that people only care about eating at restaurants, watching sports and going to the gym? And that the Democratic message should center around those things?

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