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lunasun

(21,646 posts)
3. +Any Male doctors providing safe abortions will be sentenced to death as a message to not aid women
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:02 AM
Jun 2018

They murdered multiple times could be the charge .

Yes the women could charged with premeditated

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
4. Um, no.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:06 AM
Jun 2018

Overturning Roe would mean that the issue would be returned to the states. Prior to Roe, abortion was legal in some states, and I believe that many more states would legalize abortion now.

haele

(12,702 posts)
8. The problem is in the states that will push exclusively pro-birth policies calling them pro-life.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 11:00 AM
Jun 2018

There are a good dozen, perhaps up to 20 states rife with authoritarians and cult leaders that actively encourage a "traditional" society that puts a price-tag value on human beings and treats women as breeding stock instead of citizens with rights.
Those are the states that would criminalize any birth control method, along with severely restricting voting and travel, only allowing citizenship/franchise to those with enough money or family status to be able to purchase their rights.
And they'll loudly and forcefully use their "sincerely held beliefs" to enforce these laws.

Haele

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
11. Whatever authoritarians or cult leaders or
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 11:16 AM
Jun 2018

whatever reside in a state, the state legislatures will be tasked with abortion legislation. You can bet if reproductive rights are on the ballots, it will bring women, millennials, and the rest of the base out in force to elect Democratics legislatures. We outnumber them.

This could turn out to be a very good thing for the reproductive rights, women, and the party in general.

haele

(12,702 posts)
13. Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Wisconson, Michigan, Indiana, Kansas, Oklahoma.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jun 2018

Legislatures that have been captured by the Religious Right and run by authoritarians and cult leaders, that already have all sorts of gerrymandered districts, severe restrictions on voting - and control of the voting/elections apparatus.
Which means we as liberals really, really, really have to be on top of registration games as well as election tampering up to and past the actual election and vote counts.

These states also already have restrictions to reproductive rights on their books that are only being held back by Federal courts because of Roe, Griswald (individual's right to access family planning and contraceptives), and more importantly, Doe v Bolton - a little known case in Georgia at the same time of Roe v Wade that decided that abortion after viability cannot restrict the rights of the mother for health reasons as determined by the woman's doctor, and that "the medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors - physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age - relevant to the well-being of the patient. All these factors may relate to health."

The Right Wing uses reproductive rights to get their base out as well as we do. They fire up their base every Sunday, or drive time, or in the waiting rooms with their media mouthpieces constantly spewing out the latest propaganda to captive audiences.

But Right Wing also doesn't have to coax and hold hands to get that 35% apathetic, day-to-day living, or "too busy to care about others" types who "hate politics"; those who believe "both parties are the same" or don't (want to) understand that just because they've "been working hard enough" that things are reasonably acceptable in their personal lives doesn't mean they get to ignore or avoid dealing with other people's pain as well as their own.
We have to. And that's far more difficult than most people understand, because while it's easy to convince people you know, it's very difficult to convince people who don't want to be bothered and don't know you.

Here's a suggestion. Why not get all the wealthy liberals and celebrity types who come from those areas to give up some of their profits and profiteering, go "home" to these Red and Fuchsia states starting in August and work hard at GOTV targeting the "undecideds" and "never registered" types with massive rallies up to the day of the elections, to the level of the "War Bond" efforts of WWII. Do some groundwork and figure out the messages that will work early - positive, negative, or a ratio of both - and GOTV.
Hey, how much to you think would a ride to the polls or the Registrar of Voters for early voting in a bus with a celeb like Sandra Bullock, George Clooney, or, hell - Bumpas Rodgers (the voice of Squidward from SpongeBob SquarePants born in Arkansas) work? How much do you think of a celebrity picking a critical polling place in an otherwise red district to stick around for 10 or so hours, handing out snacks, water, and joking/entertaining people in line (so long as they don't talk about the election itself) will increase turnout?

We can't just hope that people are politically aware. The sad truth about America is that the "Average Citizen" - that 40% - 50% of the political middle, don't really care about laws or politics in general unless some law, fee, or regulation is already adversely affecting them. The evidence is there - the Right Wingnuts wouldn't be able to get the numbers they currently get if they stuck to real life issues, so they "lie for the Lord" and gin up all sorts of fear of unknown dangers and paint fellow citizens as vicious enemies trying to take everything away from individuals just to get enough voters to pass their restrictions on democracy and civil liberties.

If you want the undecided to come out and vote, you have to interest them.

Haele

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
6. Or domestic violence
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:20 AM
Jun 2018

You think men want to pay for child support for 18 years, after the DNA match?

Look for even more missing/dead women. Birth control can fail, if that remains legal.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. That is something I didn't think of. If men have to be on the hook for children they
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 11:00 AM
Jun 2018

didn't want and tied to a woman that they don't want to be tied to, there is definitely the possibility of a lot more murdered/missing women and children.

samnsara

(17,667 posts)
7. in the past women were burned as witches when they administered medical attention to other women..
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:50 AM
Jun 2018

..we have always had to take care of ourselves and we will again. I was a maternal child health social worker.. helping women get to a healthy pregnancy outcome ..and I learned (from nurses and from folk remedies) there are many, many things pregnant women need to avoid so not to miscarry. This knowledge can help achieve another goal as well. We just have to stay underground and as women help other women.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
12. There will be no back alley abortions
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 11:24 AM
Jun 2018

Those who have been trained to provide services will figure out how to acquire the drugs (Plan B), the equipment and the expertise to defy the law. They cannot put the genie back in the bottle. Same with contraception. The right can howl about birth control being a form of abortion, but they will not stop women from acquiring the drugs. Black market. Women helping other women.

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