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cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 12:44 PM Jun 2018

Almost half the country didn't vote...that's why this happened...

Voter suppression, voter purges and some just not giving a damn enough to care.

We can sit here and point the blame at Bernie and Stein supporters, the FBI, the fucking Russians, but the fact remains only 55.5% of the population voted in 2016.

I don't know if what happened will energize enough voters this time around or if it will disconnect them even more, but our only hope as I see it is November. I'm not even sure if it's possible to stop a nomination from being considered before then.

Voting is more important now than ever.

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Almost half the country didn't vote...that's why this happened... (Original Post) cynatnite Jun 2018 OP
Voting has always been important. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #1
My biggest fear is what happens if we lose in November. We are standing on our tip toes on wasupaloopa Jun 2018 #2
As much as suppression and voter purges are a problem, apathy is even bigger. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #3
I agree - apathy led to the other problems Retrograde Jun 2018 #6
The likelihood for November genxlib Jun 2018 #4
Statistics zipplewrath Jun 2018 #5
"We can sit here and point the blame at Bernie and Stein supporters" NCTraveler Jun 2018 #7
Almost half the country neglects to vote every presidential election. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #8
Would that there were only one reason and one reason alone. LanternWaste Jun 2018 #9

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Voting has always been important.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 12:46 PM
Jun 2018

Protests and debate are necessary, but without the votes to change things nothing will change. We cannot win a money election, but we can turn out more votes.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
2. My biggest fear is what happens if we lose in November. We are standing on our tip toes on
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 12:50 PM
Jun 2018

the edge of a cliff. Where is the motivation going to come from to fight until 2020 if we don't regain some ground in November.

I know the way I feel, that if people don't bother to vote this time, they never will and we are lost. No reason to spend the time and energy I have left on earth fighting political battles.

bearsfootball516

(6,378 posts)
3. As much as suppression and voter purges are a problem, apathy is even bigger.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 01:18 PM
Jun 2018

For every 1 or 2 people that couldn't vote because of supression, there were 5 voters that weren't suppressed or purged, and just chose not to vote because they didn't care.

Retrograde

(10,186 posts)
6. I agree - apathy led to the other problems
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 02:53 PM
Jun 2018

and it becomes a vicious circle: left-leaning people don't bother to vote, so right-leaning candidates get elected who in turn pass laws making it more difficult for left-leaning people to vote. IMHO we can trace the current mess back to 2010, when the complacent left decided to stay home in droves.

genxlib

(5,547 posts)
4. The likelihood for November
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 01:31 PM
Jun 2018

Is that we will win the House and lose the Senate. Even the house will be difficult because of the gerrymandered advantage but I think it is likely.

But the Senate is a real long shot. We have to pick up two seats because a stalemate would just leave Pence to break the tie. The Republicans only have 9 seats to defend. Almost all of those are in pretty red states (Arizona, Mississippi (2), Nebraska, Nevada, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming). As of right now, the only races that are even rated as a toss-up are Arizona and Nevada.

Meanwhile, to even make that hurdle work for us, we have to defend everyone of our seats. That includes several in red and purple states including West Virginia, North Dakota, Montana, Ohio, Indiana Florida and Nevada.

The net result is that this is the worst Senate map for Democrats that I remember in my life time. If you look at what races are up for grabs, even a wave election might leave us short for the Senate.

The end result is that a democratic house would be able to stalemate the passage of laws but we would be powerless to stop any nominations. On the contrary, the GOP would use the Senate results as a mandate to cram in a right wing judiciary.

I say all this with a heavy heart. I wish it were otherwise and will do what I can to make it so. But the reality does not favor us.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
5. Statistics
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 01:33 PM
Jun 2018

If everyone voted, the outcome probably wouldn't be much different. It's kinda the nature of polling. They don't have to poll everyone to figure out how the outcome will be. The exception of course is when its a very tight race. i.e. "within the margin of error". That really wasn't the deal here.

It was all decided in about 4 states. If there were any "protest voters" in those states, little did they know what they had wrought.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. "We can sit here and point the blame at Bernie and Stein supporters"
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jun 2018

While they can sometimes be fun to mock, you highlight their insignificance well.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
8. Almost half the country neglects to vote every presidential election.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:01 PM
Jun 2018

And far more than that don't turn out in mid-terms.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. Would that there were only one reason and one reason alone.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:12 PM
Jun 2018

The fact is, if we "sit here" deflecting both direct cause and implicit consequence from all other antecedents, we are as flawed as much as if we were reserving all our rebukes for it.

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