in November regarding the Senate. What incentive would a pro-choice voter in Indiana have to show up at the polls if the candidate that represents the party closes to their values decides to vote to nominate an anti-abortion supreme court justice? What a protest vote?

I would support the democrat becsuse i want Democrats to control congress .

Those Senators need to be more afraid of their core base not showing up for them than they are not getting enough votes from repubicans,right leaning independents or conservative Democrats.

I'm sorry but this is not something trivial like a sporting a event. Democrats in the congress doesn't mean a lot if Democratic issues don't matter. We are talking about real issues that really affect everyday peoples life. Not just counting up the scoreboard of Democrats vs republicans.

Inmate over obama in a democratic primary .

we are talking about a general election.

Blue America (every state that's been blue in at least 2 of the last 3 presidential elections) and Red America (every state that's been red in at least 2 of the last 3 presidential elections). The government of each will help people move to and from in accordance with their means to move themselves.

Blue America will have a federal government that's structured just like the US government (with the 3 branches). And Red America will...actually, I don't give a fuck what Red America does.

We'll just go our separate ways...until Red America is screaming to go back to the way things were, because they've come to realize that not being subsidized by Blue America really, really sucks (I used to live in Oregon, where much of the state doesn't seem to realize they'd be in a lot of trouble if not for Portland and the federal government).

Sorry, this idea of a separation leaves me cold.

Most democrats in my district are centrists. We have some left-center like me, but very, very few far left. I would say that I am far left for my district. Republicans here will wipe the floor with a far left candidate, centrists give them more of a fight, as it was in a recent mayoral race where a centrist Dem just lost in a low turnout race.

I do not know where you got that I said the far left was the base.

We ARE NOT the base of the Democratic Party here, moderates are, they greatly out number us. A progressive candidate here will get beaten at the polls. Moderates stand a good chance when they craft a winning message that hold democrats and pull in a few republicans.

I would not consider someone who is anti-choice,anti-immigration and anti-affordable care act to be a moderate. That sounds more like a had right conservative.

If you look at Heitkamp and Manchin and track their vote, you would see that they are at the right of the party, but still democrats. If you think winning in North Dakota and West Virginia as a progressive is easy, then why are those places so red? I live in Florida, we have a lot of very blue districts here south of me, a couple north of me for local races, but not federal House races. That is my reality.

I'm pretty sure Joe Manchin and Heitkamp voted against the repeal of the affordable care act. If they turn around a vote for a right wing judge now they will nullify their vote against the repeal of the affordable care act. The Trump administration is already arguing that the preexisting condition protection of the affordable care act is unconstitutional. What do you think will happen when that gets back to a stacked right wing court? West Virginia didn't just start being a right wing state when Joe Manchin became a Senator it was a right wing state when Robert Byrd was there too and he would break from the party far less than Manchin does and still get reelected handily.

He is in a tough race and behind but maybe with hard work it can be pulled off ?

I'm not from Texas though. There is no Senate race in my state this year.

Even though I cannot vote in Texas or Indiana what happens there will still have an affect on me.

And focus on others where you want Democrats to win ?

functionally they will be the same as republicans. The best case scenario is we come out of the midterms with a small majority. Right now it is 51 to 49 in favor of republicans. Let's say after the midterms we have a 52 to 48 advantage. If just 2 of them vote with republicans on legislation Pence breaks the tie. So you are talking about us having a meaningless majority and a in reality a functional majority for Trump for the next 2 years. We cannot just excuse any stance from Democrats, because their in red states and besides I don't think those Senators get reelected if they don't stand in solidarity with other democrats right now anyway. If we get back the congress and take back the Senate without those Senators breaking ranks Trump will be a lame duck at least until 2020.

And what doesn't come up for a vote . For me that matters.

I don't know why you keep saying "we". The democrats in those states nominated their candidates and people in those states will vote.

If the supreme court overturns Roe V Wade and the affordable care act and declares them unconstitutional. When we get back the majority we will not be able to fix them through legislation. The supreme court gets to interpret what is constitutional. We cannot undo the constitution with a vote. Which is why we have to do everything in our power to stop this from happening now and hopefully get a functional majority in the Senate after the midterms to shut down this assault from the right wing. The reason I keep saying we is because Democrats are a national party. We all in this together. Even though I don't have a Senate race in my state I still have congressman to vote for.What happens in one part of the country affects every part of the country.

that's why elections were important .

a lot of focus will have to be on rebuilding things now.

Roe V Wade will not be the only thing that gets overturned you can bet. Us controlling what comes up for a vote or what doesn't once we have the majority again will mean next to nothing when the republican minority runs to their majority on the supreme court to overturn any policy we try to implement. If that's what happens we wont be able to rebuild nothing unless we decide to use our majority to change the make up of the supreme court, but if we cannot show solidarity right now we certainly wont be able to do it then either.

and i know more republican senators aren't going to help with anything.

Voting is simple in this country. There are two functional parties. One candidate will be closer to your total preferred policy positions than the other. If I can get 1% better than the other candidate, my choice is obvious.

you can bet there is going to be a multitude of Democratic policies republicans are going to overturn if they stack the supreme court on us.

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I do not know why there are some who cannot see that allowing Democrats to vote for a right wing judge is a disaster for the future of the party. Not only would we step on our energy for this election cycle, but what will be our message for future elections? We were the party of a woman's right to choose, medicaid and the affordable care act, but we lost those things because of the supreme court with some democrats voting to stack the court against, but stick with us after about a lifetime we might get them back.

There is a big difference between a moderate Dem who votes w/the right on a few issues, and a Trump-lite DINO who abandons us on core issues.

Any Democrat must vote w/the party on core issues like SCOTUS, that will affect the country for a generation.

There is also a huge cost to tolerating DINOs, as their existence forces the party to be timid on core issues and dilute the message in order to protect their seats... which only works to turn off the growing base of the Dem party, ie the Obama coalition of diversity, young people, etc.

Note, that the alt-left/far-left is also not the base of the party.. so it's not about moving far left, but about putting forth a strong mainstream Dem message that fights for the core values Dems/liberals have stood for for a generation.

I think there's hope for solidarity.

over concerns over his state losing health care than to say it's about abortion.

whatever it is it's important democrats win.