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While we are all watching the shutdown, the GOP (Original Post) mfcorey1 Jan 2019 OP
The GOP is always up to something nefarious pecosbob Jan 2019 #1
Putin and his protege have come up with a master plan: olegramps Jan 2019 #3
Well said pecosbob Jan 2019 #4
Very good posts here. Thank you. traitortrump has empedocles Jan 2019 #5
Don't forget about the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline, watoos Jan 2019 #7
well put scarytomcat Jan 2019 #8
You beat me to it... rickyhall Jan 2019 #2
We have a russian agent in the White House duforsure Jan 2019 #6
I am just an internet junkie, watoos Jan 2019 #9
These sites tend to stay above the noise.... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #10
I dunno, I don't think they can get out of their own way. babylonsister Jan 2019 #11
Well let's see, watoos Jan 2019 #12
And? babylonsister Jan 2019 #13
They are always pushing through dubious con judges. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2019 #14

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
3. Putin and his protege have come up with a master plan:
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 08:01 AM
Jan 2019

We can't be defeated militarily without great loss to Russia, but here is a plan that is absolutely fool proof. They are using the racist baited boondoggle of the non-existent threat of massive invasion of brown skinned criminals to precipitate their plan. Of course Trump conveniently ignores the massive problem of the overstay of visas by millions who are actually takes good paying jobs at reduced wages.

Nor is the real threat of those such as the Saudi Arabians who killed 5,000 Americans and destroyed the Twin Towers at the cost billions of dollars deserve the same treatment and who operate thousands of schools throughout the world that teach vicious hatred of our nation as a sacred duty. While he alienates us from our long cherish allies, he embraces the most despicable tyrants in glowing admiration.

What we have is as president of our nation is a tyrant who is using the powers of the presidency to destroy the our country. How did this monstrosity rise to the highest office in our nation. By the time honored use of flagrant demagoguery. It was abetted by the convenient disregard of our major news sources to play the false equivalency card to protect their bloody profits.

Only a mad man would suggest that he is willing to shut down the government for years to achieve his objective. That objective is only a red herring to obstruct his real intentions and that is to achieve the Republicans long desired objective to establish a authoritarian presidency exactly like those of Russia and China with the oligarchs in total control of the economy. With the depth of apathy that exists, they very well may achieve their long desired conquest.

pecosbob

(7,549 posts)
4. Well said
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 08:03 AM
Jan 2019

Currently I believe Putin's primary get (beyond destabilizing the Western neo-liberal democracies) is cashing in on Russia's arctic oil and gas reserves with Exxon (literally trillions of dollars), but the sanctions have put that on hold. That's probably the only reason Iran hasn't been attacked yet. The neo-cons are still around and there's pretty much one thing Exxon, al Saud, and Likud all want is a war with Iran, but they can't with Putin protecting Assad. Erik Prince and his mercenary army of god want in there so bad he's foaming at the mouth. Corporate wars with corporate armies is the new wave.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
5. Very good posts here. Thank you. traitortrump has
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 08:20 AM
Jan 2019

a dozen or so Jones-Day WH lawyers [and the vast resources of the law firm lawyers, lobbyists, big money clients, and international 'experience'] to plan and advise as needed to further what you have suggested here - and more.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
7. Don't forget about the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline,
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 08:30 AM
Jan 2019

that Putin wants Gazprom to be the investor/operator. The pipeline must go through Syria, and then on to the EU.

There is another source of natural gas in Qatar that must go through Syria and Assad has nixed that pipeline. That is the pipeline that the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia wants built. This is the real reason that Assad must be deposed. The notion that Assad gassed his own people was probably a false flag operation carried out by the Saudis. This is why Putin has befriended Assad, it's all about supplying the EU with natural gas.

Let's also remember that to get gas to the EU Russia has to go through Ukraine. Russia has a contract with Ukraine that expires in 2020 and the Russian right of way is being decided right now in the courts. This is why Russia wants Ukraine. Also Ukraine has found a lot of shale gas. The US, enter Hillary Clinton, wanted Ukraine to develop its supply of natural gas and be the country to supply the EU, cutting out Russia. This is why Putin hates Hillary Clinton and got Trump elected. (one of the reasons) Ukraine has weaned itself off of Russian gas and wants to supply its excess to the EU.

War is always about money, follow the money. Why there are even rumors that Putin gave Trump a piece of Gazprom. Now does it make sense why Trump wants to withdraw troops from Syria and why he said that Crimea should be part of Russia because they speak Russian. Why Trump changed the Republican platform to not support Ukraine so much.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
6. We have a russian agent in the White House
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 08:27 AM
Jan 2019

Doing putins bidding for him from the highest position in OUR country now. This shutdown is just the start , and to use to have absolute power using our own laws to bypass Congress with. Then he'll gain complete control, even when republicans realize they've been conned too. Putin's terrorizing our country using trump to carry out his plans, to get his revenge against us now. trump is continuously baiting and switching the American people like most con men do, but he too is a terrorist. The gop are complicit in helping him do this to us now. lets hope Mueller gets here fast , and accepts no deal from him for anything. He can't be trusted. No wall money period should be given to a terrorist. This isn't about a wall, its about using it for distraction , and to claim a national emergency for him to use to bypass Congress with and declaring martial law, just because he can, and will. He's intentionally trying to create unrest now because the investigation is getting closer.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
9. I am just an internet junkie,
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 08:38 AM
Jan 2019

but I try to go to sites where I can find the truth. It is obvious to me that Trump is a traitor.
It makes me sick when I hear cable news hosts one after the other repeating the right wing narrative that Democrats should not push for impeachment. I'm with Bill Maher on this, Trump has done so much more than Nixon ever did but we're not supposed to talk about impeachment. We should be shouting it out, sure we can dig up more dirt and wait for Mueller but that shouldn't stop us for shouting out that Trump deserves to be impeached.

Get on board with Auntie Maxine.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,500 posts)
10. These sites tend to stay above the noise....
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 08:52 AM
Jan 2019

with little sensationalism, while digging deep into the issues:

DC Report
Link: https://www.dcreport.org/

CREW
Link: https://www.citizensforethics.org/

OpenSecrets.org
Link: https://www.opensecrets.org/news/

I'm forever grateful for independent journalism and contribute a little when I can.......


babylonsister

(171,110 posts)
11. I dunno, I don't think they can get out of their own way.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 08:56 AM
Jan 2019

Except for that dirtbag McConnell. He's hiding something imo.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
12. Well let's see,
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 09:00 AM
Jan 2019

the NRA cut its contributions to GOP/Trump candidates by 90% in 2018 since they have come under investigation by the FBI for maybe funneling Russian money to Republicans/Trump supporters.

babylonsister

(171,110 posts)
13. And?
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 09:05 AM
Jan 2019

Anyone who took that money could claim plausible deniability. Maybe the receivers of NRA $ didn't care where it came from. They've been huge gop donors for many years.

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