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Ohiogal

(32,179 posts)
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 01:41 PM Jan 2019

I got into it with a MAGAt in my local paper

I vowed I was going to stop writing comments in my local paper some time ago, since the only ones who seem to comment any more are addle brained MAGATs.

Well, I caved, and got into it with this guy who is 100% in favor of building The Wall.

I kept asking him why should we give Trump one thin dime of taxpayer money when Trump keeps insisting that Mexico will pay for it. He kept deflecting into his talking points about illegals and crime, drugs, and coming here looking for free stuff.

Again, I asked why do we have to give Trump one thin dime if Mexico is paying for it.

He finally said, "One step at a time."

Huh? I said, that's one hell of a step! Five billion dollars???

He asked me if I have locks on my doors and if so why do I have them. (wonder if he's been hearing the Fox spews all about how illegals will be roaming our neighborhoods, committing crime, and sleeping in our front yards).

Again, I posed the question of why WE have to pay for this wall ...... Why do we have to hold thousands upon thousands of working people and public programs hostage to Trump's egregiously expensive boondoggle and vanity project.

No response last time I checked.

You just can't reason with these turds!



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I got into it with a MAGAt in my local paper (Original Post) Ohiogal Jan 2019 OP
Mental gymnastics is how they keep in shape dalton99a Jan 2019 #1
They're obviously not in very good shape (unless you mean their ability to believe the unbelievable) groundloop Jan 2019 #21
They can only repeat the garbage they hear on Faux News FakeNoose Jan 2019 #2
Babylonsister provided Pantagruel Jan 2019 #3
I actually have saved that post by babylonsister Ohiogal Jan 2019 #12
'Overstayers', such as Melanoma (who came here on a tourist visa and illegally worked as a 'model') groundloop Jan 2019 #23
Beto ran a video clip last week, including the eminent domain seizure and annexation of land. TheBlackAdder Jan 2019 #27
The locks on your doors reference is to get you on how the wall is a lock on Americas door... UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #4
the "Locks on your door" thing onethatcares Jan 2019 #5
Ask him if he has a wall around his yard, and if not, why not? Squinch Jan 2019 #6
That was going to be my next comment Ohiogal Jan 2019 #13
. Squinch Jan 2019 #14
Donald said Obama has a 10ft wall around his house (a lie). Time for a 10ft wall around Trump Towe keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #15
Build the lie TheOther95Percent Jan 2019 #7
I have locks on my doors to protect me from American citizens. GoCubsGo Jan 2019 #8
Funny story about locks on the doors SCantiGOP Jan 2019 #9
Ha heh ha! I laughed at this ... old folks will wander in and ... thanks for the needed laugh. nt SWBTATTReg Jan 2019 #11
I have locks and home security and a great watchdog. None of it has anything to do with ooky Jan 2019 #36
Good job. Keep hammering them with he promised Mexico would pay. brush Jan 2019 #10
Yeah the nicest thing about our local paper 47of74 Jan 2019 #16
Ask him why the gofundme for the wall only reached 1% of the goal of 5 billion ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #17
One other MAGAt chimed in Ohiogal Jan 2019 #25
No you/we can't. Ergo, we just need to beat KPN Jan 2019 #18
Why does he want to saddle the American taxpayer for his wall that is Mexico's obligation? keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #19
Another good arguing point! Ohiogal Jan 2019 #26
Use it all you want. keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #30
If he posts, I have exciting news for him!!! griloco Jan 2019 #20
How to Build Trump's Wall - Privatize It keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #29
You can't reason with them because their actions and beliefs do not come from reason Downtown Hound Jan 2019 #22
Yeah you really can't reason with these morons. Initech Jan 2019 #24
So why bother? vlyons Jan 2019 #28
tRump bragged that he doesn't pay taxes StarryNite Jan 2019 #31
The facts on the topic and Civility on your part...... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2019 #32
I hear the caravans have the ability to hack garage door openers underpants Jan 2019 #33
Please link to that site so we can pile on the idiots... AncientGeezer Jan 2019 #34
Don't drive yourself nuts. They're programmed cultists. If only Don would say Kool-Aid . . . Vinca Jan 2019 #35
Way to go! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #37
Ask him if he is at greater risk now than he was 11 years ago and if so, why? Shrike47 Jan 2019 #38

groundloop

(11,533 posts)
21. They're obviously not in very good shape (unless you mean their ability to believe the unbelievable)
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jan 2019

FakeNoose

(32,897 posts)
2. They can only repeat the garbage they hear on Faux News
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 01:51 PM
Jan 2019

These people cannot think for themselves - ever!



 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
3. Babylonsister provided
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jan 2019

a long list of reasons the wall is ludicrous, my edited version of the top three, use it on the morons:

1. Walls don’t work. Illegal immigrants have tunneled underneath and/or erected ramps up and down walls to simply drive over them. People find a way. When East Germany erected its wall, it created a military zone, staffed by booted, machine-gun carrying guards ready to shoot to kill. Yet thousands managed to make it to West Germany anyway. More to the point, do we really want to model ourselves after communist East Germany?

2. Most illegal immigrants are “overstayers.” They come to the US legally — for vacations, business, to study, etc. — and then STAY past their visas. By 2012, overstayers accounted for 58% (THE MAJORITY!) of all unauthorized immigrants. And it's increasingly the method of choice, by 2014 66% of illegals were overstayers.
A wall is meaningless here!

3. Walls have little impact on drugs being brought in to the US. According to the DEA, almost all drugs come in through legal points of entry, hidden in secret containers and/or among legit goods in tractor-trailers. A wall will have little to no impact on the influx of drugs into our country.

Ohiogal

(32,179 posts)
12. I actually have saved that post by babylonsister
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jan 2019

It shall prove very useful if and when he chooses to further engage.

groundloop

(11,533 posts)
23. 'Overstayers', such as Melanoma (who came here on a tourist visa and illegally worked as a 'model')
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 04:45 PM
Jan 2019

And let's not forget about all the undocumented immigrants working at trump resorts and golf courses who were provided fake documentation by their managers.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
4. The locks on your doors reference is to get you on how the wall is a lock on Americas door...
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jan 2019

yet we are keeping it wide open up north and most of the 'illegals' fly in. Not to mention folks can tunnel under and climb over. They have no argument because each point they make can easily be shot down.

onethatcares

(16,207 posts)
5. the "Locks on your door" thing
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jan 2019

is that a bullet point from faux snooze along with the pics of President Obamas', Speaker Pelosi and a few other jabs at walls at their homes? Directing the to PolitaFact does no good with these folks.

keithbvadu2

(37,044 posts)
15. Donald said Obama has a 10ft wall around his house (a lie). Time for a 10ft wall around Trump Towe
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 04:15 PM
Jan 2019

Donald said Obama has a 10ft wall around his house (a lie).

Time for a 10ft wall around Trump Tower... Security of course.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
7. Build the lie
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 02:11 PM
Jan 2019

This isn't about building a wall, it's building the lie. The first brick in the lie is that Mexico will pay for it. Trump lied. Mexico is not paying for it, directly or indirectly. The second brick in the lie is that this action will do anything for border security. It will not. Just like the Great Wall did not keep out invaders, the Maginot Line did not protect France from invasion and "Wall Street" did not prevent the British from occupying Manhattan (sensing a theme here?) this wall or steel fence or beaded curtain will do nothing for border security. It's a simpleton's response to a complex problem. Trump and the CONservatives have tried to weaponize all of these lies for political purposes.

GoCubsGo

(32,102 posts)
8. I have locks on my doors to protect me from American citizens.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jan 2019

They're the ones who commit 99.9% if the crime in this country. It's a stupid analogy, anyway. All one has to do is ask these clowns if they only have locks on the doors on one side of their house, because that's essentially what Trump's stupid-ass wall is. The biggest group of "illegals" are actually Canadians (and others) who overstayed their visas. In reality, that idiotic analogy amounts to putting locks on your front door to protect yourself from the people across the street, while you invite the people behind you through your lock-free back door for dinner, and have no problem with the fact that they're still in your home a week later.

SCantiGOP

(13,878 posts)
9. Funny story about locks on the doors
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 02:33 PM
Jan 2019

The first job I had resulted in me moving into a town of 400 people, since it was midway between where I was going to work and where my wife drove for her job.
The first person I talked to was the electric company guy who came to turn on the power in the house we were renting. A good general question to ask to get some idea of what kind of community this was: "Do people here lock their doors during the day?"
He said, "Oh yeah, you better. Some of the old folks will just wander in and sit down and you won't be able to get rid of them for hours."

I didn't have too much concern after that.

ooky

(8,933 posts)
36. I have locks and home security and a great watchdog. None of it has anything to do with
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jan 2019

being worried about illegals and terrorists coming across the border. There are just bad and desperate people in our world, of all types, and it makes sense to protect myself.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
16. Yeah the nicest thing about our local paper
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 04:22 PM
Jan 2019

They switched to Facebook comments and most of our local asshole population disappeared since I already had them blocked on FB.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
17. Ask him why the gofundme for the wall only reached 1% of the goal of 5 billion
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 04:25 PM
Jan 2019

If it's so damned important, why do only a handful of people care enough to contribute? And if that handful are truly concerned, why are they not contributing everything they own? Ask him how much he personally has given.

Ohiogal

(32,179 posts)
25. One other MAGAt chimed in
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 05:34 PM
Jan 2019

and said he had contributed as much as he possibly could to the GoFundMe.

I told him, atta boy! Give more! (sarcastically, of course).

KPN

(15,677 posts)
18. No you/we can't. Ergo, we just need to beat
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 04:31 PM
Jan 2019

and over time bury them as a strange historical event. No compassion, no compromise, no diplomacy. Just put them in the past. History will be kind to us for having done so.

keithbvadu2

(37,044 posts)
19. Why does he want to saddle the American taxpayer for his wall that is Mexico's obligation?
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 04:32 PM
Jan 2019

One of Donald's major foreign policy points is that other countries are not paying their way and America is paying too much.

This wall is Mexico's obligation according to Trump.

Why does he want to saddle the American taxpayer for his wall that is Mexico's obligation?

keithbvadu2

(37,044 posts)
30. Use it all you want.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 05:47 PM
Jan 2019

If you get glory, smile for me.
If you get criticized, smile for me.

If you make money from it, send me half.

griloco

(832 posts)
20. If he posts, I have exciting news for him!!!
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 04:37 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Sun Jan 6, 2019, 09:17 PM - Edit history (1)

There's a GoFundMe account for TrumpWall so he can bypass all the Libtards and buy the wall himself. And--here's the really good news--get a receipt, send it to:
Vicente Fox
c/o That Fucking Wall
Mexico
and he will be reimbursed with interest.

keithbvadu2

(37,044 posts)
29. How to Build Trump's Wall - Privatize It
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jan 2019

How to Build Trump’s Wall - Privatize It

Republicans have often found a way to tax people surreptitiously by privatizing many public works projects to corporations rather than have gov’t pay for it. A fee/toll is a tax under another name.

The corporations/investors are granted a multi-year license with a guaranteed profit.

This could also be done with Trump’s Wall with Mexico.

Corporations/investors front the money to build it and they will be paid by Mexico.

It gives republicans a chance to save the gov’t money by investing in it and show their confidence in Trump’s word that Mexico will pay for it .

No gov’t backed bonds.

No cost to the gov’t,,, no need for taxes,,, profit for the patriotic investors who believe in Trump.

Win win all around.

Even Trump can show his patriotism and shrewd business savvy by investing in it.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
22. You can't reason with them because their actions and beliefs do not come from reason
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jan 2019

They come from fear.

Initech

(100,143 posts)
24. Yeah you really can't reason with these morons.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 05:27 PM
Jan 2019

I know I don't want a fucking dime of my tax money going toward this abomination. Do you?

StarryNite

(9,472 posts)
31. tRump bragged that he doesn't pay taxes
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 05:58 PM
Jan 2019

So he's not willing to pay a single dime of his own money but he sure is more than willing to use OUR tax dollars for something the majority of us do not want.

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ProudMNDemocrat

(16,897 posts)
32. The facts on the topic and Civility on your part......
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 06:09 PM
Jan 2019

WINS the day.

I get the same crap as you. I present the facts,often with links, and I am vilified for it. I hit back without name calling and remaining on the topic. It gets the MAGATS all the time. People read comments and can tell who is being reasonable and who are being the assholes.

When I have been out and about, people who know me tell me to stand my ground and keep commenting. I have another letter to the Editor that I hope gets printed. I am watching out for it.

underpants

(183,019 posts)
33. I hear the caravans have the ability to hack garage door openers
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jan 2019

This door fence thing exposes them more as mindless followers more than anything.

Good job.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
38. Ask him if he is at greater risk now than he was 11 years ago and if so, why?
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 07:00 PM
Jan 2019

Nobody wants open borders, that’s a straw man. The issue should be why he needs that wall now and at tax payer expense. (IMO we don’t need that wall, a futile endeavor and ocological disaster, ever. But they don’t care about facts.)

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